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  • WingerW Winger

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/124574211/super-rugby-aotearoa-orbyn-leger-into-hurricanes-hot-seat-against-chiefs

    Former New Zealand Schools first-five Aidan Morgan, 19, was in the mix, too, but was deemed too young by NZ Rugby when the Hurricanes applied to add him to their squad, Holland said.
    

    So Love is still 19 DOB 24/4/2001
    Morgan DOB 7/6/2001

    Does the extra 6 weeks make a difference?
    Hope Love goes well

    Sitting in the background is another 19-year-old former NZ Schools pivot, Ruben Love, who was named in the 38-man Hurricanes squad and will play first-five for the second team the Hunters on Saturday.
    
    Holland rates Love highly and the gifted first-five/fullback will loom into contention in coming weeks after he was sidelined by concussion early in the season. Taranaki’s Daniel Waite is another pivot summoned as cover.
    
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    @winger said in Hurricanes 2021:

    Former New Zealand Schools first-five Aidan Morgan, 19, was in the mix, too, but was deemed too young by NZ Rugby when the Hurricanes applied to add him to their squad, Holland said.

    
    So Love is still 19 DOB 24/4/2001
    Morgan DOB 7/6/2001
    
    Does the extra 6 weeks make a difference?
    

    I would think that age is only one of the factors to get NZR permission to play these young players. Morgan is small, so unless he has put some meat on his bones since leaving school it would be a big step up. Love is bigger and has played more NPC so far.

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      @higgins This defies belief do we have to go through every 10 playing professionally before we get to him.

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      @mikey07 Maybe, maybe not. I don't have any idea whether there's any truth in it, but I've recently heard the rumour that McClutchie - after not getting a SR contract - signed a contract as injury cover with a Japanese club, but can't enter Japan because of COVID border restrictions (may have to do with the type of contract?). According to the rumour, more NZ players are in this position (including Baden Kerr). The rumour doesn't say when he signed that contract and with which club, but it would explain why he can't be called up now as injury cover for a NZ SR player.

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        @winger said in Hurricanes 2021:

        Former New Zealand Schools first-five Aidan Morgan, 19, was in the mix, too, but was deemed too young by NZ Rugby when the Hurricanes applied to add him to their squad, Holland said.

        
        So Love is still 19 DOB 24/4/2001
        Morgan DOB 7/6/2001
        
        Does the extra 6 weeks make a difference?
        

        I would think that age is only one of the factors to get NZR permission to play these young players. Morgan is small, so unless he has put some meat on his bones since leaving school it would be a big step up. Love is bigger and has played more NPC so far.

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        @bovidae I saw Morgan play recently, and he's still a baby. Didn't look ready at all. I think having played NPC makes a big difference.

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        • HigginsH Higgins

          @mikey07 Certainly not, we have to endure going through all the guys training up at Rugby League Park right through to the Under 18s before that is likely to happen. Also throw in every Swindale Shield club first five before McLutchie is likely to be considered and that's before you even start on the guys playing in the 'Poo.

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          @higgins said in Hurricanes 2021:

          @mikey07 Certainly not, we have to endure going through all the guys training up at Rugby League Park right through to the Under 18s before that is likely to happen. Also throw in every Swindale Shield club first five before McLutchie is likely to be considered and that's before you even start on the guys playing in the 'Poo.

          Repeat after me: McClutchie, McClutchie (not McLutchie)

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            @higgins said in Hurricanes 2021:

            @mikey07 Certainly not, we have to endure going through all the guys training up at Rugby League Park right through to the Under 18s before that is likely to happen. Also throw in every Swindale Shield club first five before McLutchie is likely to be considered and that's before you even start on the guys playing in the 'Poo.

            Repeat after me: McClutchie, McClutchie (not McLutchie)

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            @stargazer Ahhh that might explain things a bit as the Canes selectors are probably looking up the white pages under the wrong spelling and not able to locate him then!

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              The second the got rid of Fletcher Smith I knew they were F***ed he was way better that JGB

              The hurricanes need to change their tactics to have a chance this year. Last year they could at least get Laumape moving this year he's been a dud.
              And getting rid of the van wouldn't go amiss...
              He is too old and he's holding up rayasi's progress.

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              • WingerW Winger

                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/124574211/super-rugby-aotearoa-orbyn-leger-into-hurricanes-hot-seat-against-chiefs

                Former New Zealand Schools first-five Aidan Morgan, 19, was in the mix, too, but was deemed too young by NZ Rugby when the Hurricanes applied to add him to their squad, Holland said.
                

                So Love is still 19 DOB 24/4/2001
                Morgan DOB 7/6/2001

                Does the extra 6 weeks make a difference?
                Hope Love goes well

                Sitting in the background is another 19-year-old former NZ Schools pivot, Ruben Love, who was named in the 38-man Hurricanes squad and will play first-five for the second team the Hunters on Saturday.
                
                Holland rates Love highly and the gifted first-five/fullback will loom into contention in coming weeks after he was sidelined by concussion early in the season. Taranaki’s Daniel Waite is another pivot summoned as cover.
                
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                I am a big fan of Billy Procter but why the F*** is he starting not PUJ.

                Although Armstrong benched is a good idea becuase he is shit.

                Also Flanders is better than Prinsep. But Prinseps from Canterbury so NZR loves him

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                  I am a big fan of Billy Procter but why the F*** is he starting not PUJ.

                  Although Armstrong benched is a good idea becuase he is shit.

                  Also Flanders is better than Prinsep. But Prinseps from Canterbury so NZR loves him

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                  @mackerzzzz Not sure what NZR or Canterbury has got to do with Hurricanes team selections. That's all on the Hurricanes' coaches; no running away from responsibility or blaming someone else.

                  Laumape was a dud for most of the 2020 season, too. Apparently, someone needs to show him some "disruspec" before he has a good game, or two. That seems to be enough to get him into the ABs ...

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                  • StargazerS Stargazer

                    @mackerzzzz Not sure what NZR or Canterbury has got to do with Hurricanes team selections. That's all on the Hurricanes' coaches; no running away from responsibility or blaming someone else.

                    Laumape was a dud for most of the 2020 season, too. Apparently, someone needs to show him some "disruspec" before he has a good game, or two. That seems to be enough to get him into the ABs ...

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                    @stargazer They seem to have some say over coaching appointments though. Firstly the Hamateur and now J Holland who both made their mark as assistant coaches at the Crusaders. One shudders to think what the ABs record might be under their stewardship.

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                    • HigginsH Higgins

                      @stargazer They seem to have some say over coaching appointments though. Firstly the Hamateur and now J Holland who both made their mark as assistant coaches at the Crusaders. One shudders to think what the ABs record might be under their stewardship.

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                      @higgins Jason Holland has never been coach at the Crusaders; he has been a Canterbury assistant coach, but that's a long time ago. He has been assistant coach at the Hurricanes since 2015.

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                      • StargazerS Stargazer

                        @higgins Jason Holland has never been coach at the Crusaders; he has been a Canterbury assistant coach, but that's a long time ago. He has been assistant coach at the Hurricanes since 2015.

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                        @stargazer That makes it even more strange how he keeps getting the appointments further up the chain.

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                          @Higgins Holland would have been one of Robertson's AB assistant coaches.

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                            @bovidae Hopefully Fozzie gets the chop so Razor can get the job and take Holland with him.....actually maybe not Gibbes will probably get the job 🤮

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                              @Higgins Holland would have been one of Robertson's AB assistant coaches.

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                              @bovidae said in Hurricanes 2021:

                              @Higgins Holland would have been one of Robertson's AB assistant coaches.

                              I hope if Razor gets the ABs job that he’s 100% autocratic if that’s the case ....

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                                @bovidae Hopefully Fozzie gets the chop so Razor can get the job and take Holland with him.....actually maybe not Gibbes will probably get the job 🤮

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                                @mikey07 said in Hurricanes 2021:

                                @bovidae Hopefully Fozzie gets the chop so Razor can get the job and take Holland with him.....actually maybe not Gibbes will probably get the job 🤮

                                Shudder

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                                  The second the got rid of Fletcher Smith I knew they were F***ed he was way better that JGB

                                  The hurricanes need to change their tactics to have a chance this year. Last year they could at least get Laumape moving this year he's been a dud.
                                  And getting rid of the van wouldn't go amiss...
                                  He is too old and he's holding up rayasi's progress.

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                                  @mackerzzzz said in Hurricanes 2021:

                                  The second the got rid of Fletcher Smith I knew they were F***ed he was way better that JGB

                                  The hurricanes need to change their tactics to have a chance this year. Last year they could at least get Laumape moving this year he's been a dud.
                                  And getting rid of the van wouldn't go amiss...
                                  He is too old and he's holding up rayasi's progress.

                                  This year's team might be the worst Canes team in our history

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                                    @mackerzzzz said in Hurricanes 2021:

                                    The second the got rid of Fletcher Smith I knew they were F***ed he was way better that JGB

                                    The hurricanes need to change their tactics to have a chance this year. Last year they could at least get Laumape moving this year he's been a dud.
                                    And getting rid of the van wouldn't go amiss...
                                    He is too old and he's holding up rayasi's progress.

                                    This year's team might be the worst Canes team in our history

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                                    @canefan nah 2012 was worse all they had was b barrett and c smith

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                                    • HigginsH Higgins

                                      @mikey07 Certainly not, we have to endure going through all the guys training up at Rugby League Park right through to the Under 18s before that is likely to happen. Also throw in every Swindale Shield club first five before McLutchie is likely to be considered and that's before you even start on the guys playing in the 'Poo.

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                                      @higgins said in Hurricanes 2021:

                                      every Swindale Shield

                                      HOBM aren't in the Swindale anymore?

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                                      • M Mackerzzzz

                                        @canefan nah 2012 was worse all they had was b barrett and c smith

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                                        @mackerzzzz said in Hurricanes 2021:

                                        @canefan nah 2012 was worse all they had was b barrett and c smith

                                        The 2012 Hurricanes Super Rugby Squad

                                        Jeffery Toomaga-Allen
                                        Beauden Barrett
                                        Tim Bateman
                                        Michael Bent
                                        James Broadhurst
                                        Richard Buckman
                                        Dane Coles
                                        Jason Eaton
                                        Chris Eaton
                                        Reggie Goodes
                                        David Hall
                                        Jayden Hayward
                                        Cory Jane
                                        Daniel Kirkpatrick
                                        Jack Lam
                                        Alapati Leiua
                                        Faifili Levave
                                        Karl Lowe
                                        Motu Matu’u
                                        Ben May
                                        Tristan Moran
                                        Charlie Ngatai
                                        TJ Perenara
                                        Tusi Pisi
                                        Mark Reddish
                                        Julian Savea
                                        Brad Shields
                                        Conrad Smith
                                        Chris Smylie
                                        Andre Taylor
                                        Jeremy Thrush
                                        Victor Vito

                                        I think 2012 was better. We had BB, Snake, Coles, TJP, Jason Eaton, CJ, and prime Bus, not to mention one time England international Shields, and a bunch of proven S14 veterans

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                                        • canefanC canefan

                                          @mackerzzzz said in Hurricanes 2021:

                                          @canefan nah 2012 was worse all they had was b barrett and c smith

                                          The 2012 Hurricanes Super Rugby Squad

                                          Jeffery Toomaga-Allen
                                          Beauden Barrett
                                          Tim Bateman
                                          Michael Bent
                                          James Broadhurst
                                          Richard Buckman
                                          Dane Coles
                                          Jason Eaton
                                          Chris Eaton
                                          Reggie Goodes
                                          David Hall
                                          Jayden Hayward
                                          Cory Jane
                                          Daniel Kirkpatrick
                                          Jack Lam
                                          Alapati Leiua
                                          Faifili Levave
                                          Karl Lowe
                                          Motu Matu’u
                                          Ben May
                                          Tristan Moran
                                          Charlie Ngatai
                                          TJ Perenara
                                          Tusi Pisi
                                          Mark Reddish
                                          Julian Savea
                                          Brad Shields
                                          Conrad Smith
                                          Chris Smylie
                                          Andre Taylor
                                          Jeremy Thrush
                                          Victor Vito

                                          I think 2012 was better. We had BB, Snake, Coles, TJP, Jason Eaton, CJ, and prime Bus, not to mention one time England international Shields, and a bunch of proven S14 veterans

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                                          @canefan geez that's a million times better!

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