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Fuck.
I've been on FTTN (which is VDSL) for a couple of months now.
When it first started, it was about 16/5 which was in part due to other phone wiring in the house.
Piss that off (fucking alarm installers made a dirty connection) and it went up nicely
Decided to try a 100/40 plan, but because I was about 800m of copper from the nearest pillar it didn't improve much. Got the sparky in to move my network cabinet closer to the point of entry, and picked up to 25/6 ish.
VDSL has shitty noise beyond a couple of hundred metres, so the 100/40 plan was never really going to do better than that.
But then SOMETHING fucking happened on 1st November and its back down to 17/4 at best. And the fluffybunnies still haven't told me why that speed drop.
When you're used to 6/0.8 its fucking amazing of course. But I have seen 25/5 run at full capacity and the shitlickers can't get it right.
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@NTA Weird thing was when I was in Tokyo I found the roaming internet on my NZ simcard to be very patchy. One of the other guys had a Japanese simcard and it was fast. Can their network offer preferentially fast speed to their own simcards? Conspiracy!
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@NTA VDSL at 800 metres should get better than that, especially if, as you say, it isn't even old copper. It will depend on the 'tuning' of the cabinet though.
Most VDSL in NZ at those distances would be getting 40+. It was around 30 but a band plan change was rolled out and the minor frequency change made a big improvement. Even the design guys were blown away. The business case for the rollout estimated a much lower improvement than that.
Looks like Oz is still falling somewhere between NZ and the UK in what to do with copper while you get around to Fibre.In the UK it is crappy old ADSL speeds with no cabinetisation so your distance to the exchange can be a long way OR blazing fibre. No in-between. There is also the areas where (like the areas in NZ that Telstra did years ago), there is a COAX/Fibre network. Not as good as pure fibre but good.
In NZ the strategy has been to keep making whatever improvements are feasible to the copper network while fibre is being rolled out otherwise the Fibre uptake demand will totally outstrip the ability to physically get around and connect everyone.
This has been good because for the average household demand 40Mbps is very good and those houses can be cut over to Fibre gradually. -
@Crucial said in The Interweb:
@NTA VDSL at 800 metres should get better than that, especially if, as you say, it isn't even old copper. It will depend on the 'tuning' of the cabinet though.
Most VDSL in NZ at those distances would be getting 40+. It was around 30 but a band plan change was rolled out and the minor frequency change made a big improvement. Even the design guys were blown away. The business case for the rollout estimated a much lower improvement than that.My 800m is back to the pillar - so the node might be further than that. This guy made a map:
http://52.64.243.5/nbnmtm.html
And it says pretty much what you have: around 35mbps for the 812m run from the pillar. Pillar-to-node doesn't give a distance, but I don't imagine it is pretty.
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@NTA said in The Interweb:
@Crucial said in The Interweb:
@NTA VDSL at 800 metres should get better than that, especially if, as you say, it isn't even old copper. It will depend on the 'tuning' of the cabinet though.
Most VDSL in NZ at those distances would be getting 40+. It was around 30 but a band plan change was rolled out and the minor frequency change made a big improvement. Even the design guys were blown away. The business case for the rollout estimated a much lower improvement than that.My 800m is back to the pillar - so the node might be further than that. This guy made a map:
http://52.64.243.5/nbnmtm.html
And it says pretty much what you have: around 35mbps for the 812m run from the pillar. Pillar-to-node doesn't give a distance, but I don't imagine it is pretty.
I could't work out the 'pillar' part until I looked it up and remembered. Your infrastructure basically has one more pass through point than the NZ one.
A VDSL connection in NZ would go copper from house to Cabinet (serving 300 houses), fibre from cabinet to exchange, then depending on whether the ISP has their own equipment in the exchange it might go straight to the backhaul lines already processed or have to be shunted elsewhere to that ISPs collection/processing point. (This is why ISP performances - along with the quality of their software- can differ on the same lines)
In Oz it looks to me like you go from house to Pillar on copper and these pillars can sometimes be 1000 pairs of copper line. The pillar feeds into the Cabinet which then goes via fibre just as the NZ one. I do't think there is more than one pillar to one cabinet but may be wrong. The only reference I found was that pillars and cabinets tend to be side by side. However it is I'm guessing you lose a touch of speed by the pillar grouping all the signals before passing them to the cabinet.
I could be wrong as we must effectively also have a 'pillar' that groups the copper lines but it is built into the cabinet.
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@Crucial said in Aussie Rugby in general:
One driver down the track is likely to be a change in the broadcast environment. At some point I can see NZRU having to produce and own the TV product themselves, then on sell it to various mediums without exclusivity. The days of Sky/ Fox being the card holders is coming to an end and there will be change.
Yep - with the rapid internet being deployed now, there are going to be few issues delivering content via the web.
Speak for yourself! I'm currently wondering why I'm living in a city of 4 million plus with the internet of a developing nation at best, ISPs that have no customer service whatsoever and in some of their practices come across as they're running Mafia rackets, and a regulator (TIO) that's as toothless and idiotic as the ISPs.
I was searching for the old internet thread and couldn't find so thought I'd use your post roughly on topic so I could have my rant.
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@Nepia did it take long to load?
If I was at home I would need to re-start the router multiple times before it would load. Luckily I'm at work, so we have passable speeds (4.66Mbps)for Sydney CBD adjacent, centre of the education sector etc.
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@Nepia fark.... I at least get 17/3 these days on fraudband.
Was at the new conference centre in Darling Harbour for a Google thing recently.
400 nerds in the room and the wifi was still cranking at 106Mb down and 120Mb up.
I live bloody close to that conference centre (near the Powerhouse museum and UTS) and yeah, I'm in drop out city. Just signed up with a new provider, they went to churn our account, and they couldn't because apparently out NBN account doesn't exist. So I don't know what the hell we've been paying for all these months. It's fucked.
What conference was it, I do my walks around that area and always wonder what the different conferences are (some are obvious, bogan musicians, Asian property buyers, weddings, gym type people etc).
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@Nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@Nepia did it take long to load?
If I was at home I would need to re-start the router multiple times before it would load. Luckily I'm at work, so we have passable speeds (4.66Mbps)for Sydney CBD adjacent, centre of the education sector etc.
4.66mbps in the CBD? I thought Australia was a first world country.
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@Damo its patchy as fuck because of the slapdash way the network has been put together over the years, particularly around older areas of Sydney where "I need a phone line" was the going concern at the time.
But its not just older areas: I live in one of the growth corridors of Sydney, so you'd think they would have just run fibre the same time as they put in electricity, gas etc. BUT they don't think like that, because individual land developers create the local infrastructure to onsell to property developers. There is very little coordination with the backhaul because it costs a fuckload, and they don't have the authority to do some things anyway.
There are basically two types of NBN (National Broadband Network) available:
- Fibre-To-The-Premises (FTTP) - optic fibre right into your house
- Fibre-To-The-Node (FTTN) - optic fibre to the nearest node/backhaul, then copper run to the home - often referred to as "Fraudband". Its VDSL, effectively.
A few streets from me, because the developers decided to invest, there is one side of the street served by FTTP. They get plans up to 100mbps
On the other side of the street, they're waiting to get FTTN and still using ADSL2. Some people are so far from the nearest node that their download speed on ADSL2 is better than what they get from copper NBN because of the higher tolerance of ADSL compared to VDSL.
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@Damo - the copper distance I have to travel to the nearest node is over 800m so I'm not even close to ideal conditions (< 300m) for VDSL speeds.
Its fucking rubbish, and a political football that the conservatives promised would cost less to deploy, but in fact is now costing more, is well behind schedule, and is going to need replacing in the next two decades as the copper degrades further.
Not to mention this MTM ("Multi-Technology Mix") approach actually costs more to keep a wider variety of techs upskilled to service the same population footprint.
The third leg of the equation is the wireless component for rural settings where running cable isn't cost-effective. There is still a small amount of HFC (i.e. cable TV lines) that service areas of the inner suburbs.
And then you have ministers saying "Well people don't NEED fibre because most of them are subscribing to 25mbps plans, see?!!"
Which is bullshit because most of us can't do better than 25mbps and figure we're better off not wasting the money.
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Yeah a few people are talking about gigabit speeds BUT you're still subject to whatever they stuck on the backhaul.
I hear Telstra FTTN customers in my area are getting fucked up when evening peak hits - speeds dropping from ~20-40mbps down to 3mbps.
All because Telstra skimped on the fibre running out of the pillar/node.
