Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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well, shit I'm still steaming.
I'm pissed, and the reason is that all of this was called in advance. Players picked out of position, poor game plan and dumb rugby - everything we feared about Foster's All Blacks. We had better players than Australia, but they were clearly better coached and it showed. Up for it? Not sure we were in the same way.
Positives
Cane was outstanding. If you wanted a leader look at that bastard. Worked his guts out.
Defence was really solid. Some freakish tries (following interesting ref calls) to get there.
Um, I'm struggling after thatNegatives
Players out of position killed us. Jordie, Ardie, Goodhue in particular
Forwards were good without being dominant
Mo'unga chose a bad time to shit the bed.
Gameplan was terrible (what gameplan), and the lack of rugby nous in fielding kicks had me yelling at the TV. Seriously, with the wind behind them, how the hell do you let a farking dropout from the 22 go over your head, and basically gift Aus 40 m and possession. My. Head. Exploded.
Lack of a dropgoal at the end. Have we learned nothing from SA a few years ago? Seriously? FFS people, get betterWe did well living on scraps, offense looked great in the first 40. Rieko needs to learn how to put the ball down.
Unlike @tim I'm OK with Frizzel; he just smashed into people all night.Argh, I'm really annoyed. Win here was important. God knows we need to get up next week
@nzzp said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
well, shit I'm still steaming.
I'm pissed, and the reason is that all of this was called in advance. Players picked out of position, poor game plan and.
Gameplan was terrible (what gameplan), and the lack of rugby nous in fielding kicks had me yelling at the TV. Seriously, with the wind behind them, how the hell do you let a farking dropout from the 22 go over your head, and basically gift Aus 40 m and possession. My. Head. Exploded.The thing with kick receipts seemed to be they stood at the regulation distance from the kicker. Which meant they were sprinting forward to attempt to take it for the first half, and having it sail over their heads in the second
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Good learning experience for the boys. Cane as a captain as well.
I’ve seen us play worst and lost. Video analysts will be working overtime this week because there’s plenty of footage for a lot of guys to show where improvements can be made.
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Good learning experience for the boys. Cane as a captain as well.
I’ve seen us play worst and lost. Video analysts will be working overtime this week because there’s plenty of footage for a lot of guys to show where improvements can be made.
Biggest improvement would be teaching Reiko how to score tries. If that try had been scored and we had gone into the break with a bigger lead I think we would have seen a whole different second half. But no doubt the wallabies are an exciting new team and will e beating us soon if we keep serving up more of the same
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
well, shit I'm still steaming.
I'm pissed, and the reason is that all of this was called in advance. Players picked out of position, poor game plan and.
Gameplan was terrible (what gameplan), and the lack of rugby nous in fielding kicks had me yelling at the TV. Seriously, with the wind behind them, how the hell do you let a farking dropout from the 22 go over your head, and basically gift Aus 40 m and possession. My. Head. Exploded.The thing with kick receipts seemed to be they stood at the regulation distance from the kicker. Which meant they were sprinting forward to attempt to take it for the first half, and having it sail over their heads in the second
@Machpants said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@nzzp said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
well, shit I'm still steaming.
I'm pissed, and the reason is that all of this was called in advance. Players picked out of position, poor game plan and.
Gameplan was terrible (what gameplan), and the lack of rugby nous in fielding kicks had me yelling at the TV. Seriously, with the wind behind them, how the hell do you let a farking dropout from the 22 go over your head, and basically gift Aus 40 m and possession. My. Head. Exploded.The thing with kicking receipts seemed to be they stood at the regulation distanced from the kicker. Which meant they were sprinting forward to attempt to take it for the first half, and having it sail over their heads in the second
shit, seeing the (usually high quality) DMac running or the ball at the last minute gave me the shits. Once I understnad, but for a whole goddamn game?
Yep, this is angry NZZP. Screw you Foster, I'm bringing pitchforks and burning torches out if we don't win convincingly in AUckland
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Joe Moody, Sam Cane and Aaron Smith were World Class. The rest of that starting team not so much on today's evidence.
Sotutu, Clarke and Jordan must all start next week. Dane Coles, TJP and George Bridge are injury cover now & past their best. Goodhue is a 13 not a 12.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Good learning experience for the boys. Cane as a captain as well.
I’ve seen us play worst and lost. Video analysts will be working overtime this week because there’s plenty of footage for a lot of guys to show where improvements can be made.
Biggest improvement would be teaching Reiko how to score tries. If that try had been scored and we had gone into the break with a bigger lead I think we would have seen a whole different second half. But no doubt the wallabies are an exciting new team and will e beating us soon if we keep serving up more of the same
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@Derpus the foot in touch was a sliding doors moment, Ioanes brain fart, not so, half ends and we get 7 or we dont...no restart from a lineout, scrum, 22 or whatever.
As a Northland fan, I gotta say today I prefer winning ugly than drawing ugly!
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Steven-Harris said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Caleb Clark nailed down a starting position in my opinion , so strong
He nailed down a starting position before the test started. Picking Bridge ahead of him is just braindead bullshit. There's a lot of daylight between those two players.
Worse still they paired Bridge up with DMac and Jordie. We had no variety and no real power in our back three.
Exactly why I was worried about the safety first selections. We have gone backwards since 2019.
@Kirwan Backwards since 2015...
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@Chris said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@kpkanz said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Should be Dmac at full back with Clarke/Jordan on the wings.
I feel Jordies eventually going to get moved to the midfield. Doesnt offer enough as an international outside back and not enough pros to keep out the talented outside backs we have available.
Riekos easily our best center. Been in amazing form, aside from the moronic touchdown.
I don't think so Rieko was average he fell of tackles ,Got out of position on defence butchered a try he is a wing at test level not a centre.
At this point I don't really care who it is, but can we just pick a centre combo and stick with it? In the interests of having some structure and two guys who can actually be trusted then Goodhue-ALB seems like the best option, but if they want to give Ioane a serious look there whatever.
@rotated said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
At this point I don't really care who it is, but can we just pick a centre combo and stick with it?
Been saying that for 3-4 years. The combination is as important as the players IMHO.
We don't just try different combinations, we play people out of position in what seems to be some weird game of musical chairs.
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@rotated said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
At this point I don't really care who it is, but can we just pick a centre combo and stick with it?
Been saying that for 3-4 years. The combination is as important as the players IMHO.
We don't just try different combinations, we play people out of position in what seems to be some weird game of musical chairs.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
We don't just try different combinations
many years ago we did have 20+ test matches in a row when we didnt have the same pair start before Nonu-Conrad became a fixture...
Maybe Ioane/Clarke can start on either wing, JB to FB and ALB-Goodhue in the mid-field
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@NTA said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Kind of gives the Aussies the freedom to have a real crack next weekend and play without fear of losing the Bled again. They can only grow in confidence from today. Could the Eden Park record be under threat?
I'm thinking of starting a poll for Wallabies fans - which would you prefer?
Break Eden Park hoodoo and lose Bledisloe
or
Get beaten at EP but win Bledisloe
You need a third option of winning at Eden Park and Winning the Bled
Which would you prefer? -
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@Crucial he probably shat the bed though...
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Went in to the game and took my four year daughter. Was a great atmosphere and the extra minutes at the end just added to the experience. Will have to watch the game again this week as you miss so much at the game. Best part was some drunk lady distracted my daughter for most of the game so I actually got to watch most of it.
Couple of things on the game (though won't stand by them too closely until I've rewatched it).
Backs
DMac looked a lot better here than he did for the Chiefs. I'd still rather see one of the Barretts there but was good to see him get some form back.Jordie is way to pedestrian for wing. There was one point early in the first half where he appeared to be trying to run through quick sand.
Will be interesting to watch Reiko. He appeared to fuck up by not passing to Jordie at one stage and hogged the ball instead. And dropping the ball like he did is embarrassing and effectively lost us the game. I really wish that he'd go back to being the worlds best winger.
Bridge is so impotent. Really doesn't seem to offer much. Though that was a sweet pass that lead to Smith's try.
R'Mo looked below test level standard. Looked indecisive at times and seemed to have no confidence in the end to demand they set up for a droppie. Might be a while before he finds his feet at test level.
Ardie was no where near a test standard 8. I've got no idea why Foster (other than Foster is a fuckwit) picks two sevens in his starting trio and asks one of them to play like a big bopper 8. Sevens work best when they have constant interactions in the game.
Cane was awesome and hit attackers like a truck. Though his first game as captain had a real 2020 Chiefs feel to it.
I thought Frizell went OK. He tackled well and it's not his fault the loose forward mix is out.
Moody tackled well and Ofa hit hard but fell off a few tackles. Cody appeared to carry on his average 2019 form.
Rennie 'out coached' Foster. The OZ first half was excellent as they more often than not would have been playing into the swirling breeze. I think a stat popped up at halftime that OZ had 70% possession and territory which is clever rugby in those conditions.
Not much to say about the Wallabies other than well done and they probably deserved to win the game. I think an area they can make good improvement in is their accuracy at the breakdown. The amount of times the AB's managed to get a turnover or penalty after a Wallaby went flying/crashing over the ruck instead of actually clearing out was hilarious. Lucky for the AB's too as it meant the Wallabies couldn't build enough pressure.
Looking forward to catching this on TV and revising my opinions.
