Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October
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@akan004 said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@sparky Paul Cully was saying on twitter today that Frizell is by far NZ's best blindside. Is he seeing something that we aren't? I hope he proves me wrong but have not been convinced by him so far at test level.
I actually thought he had a very good game last week. Stood up when we needed someone early on with aussie on attack, did lots of stuff well. He's no Kaino yet, but he was decent
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@Kirwan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Nevorian And Clarke is particulary good under the high ball, to the point that the Crusaders plan was to NOT kick to him.
You saw a presentation at a pub didn't you
@Bones said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Nevorian And Clarke is particulary good under the high ball, to the point that the Crusaders plan was to NOT kick to him.
You saw a presentation at a pub didn't you
Deep cut. I like.
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Big blow for the Wallabies with O’Connor out now with a knee injury. With To’omua out for the season that means a completely reconstructed backline. Brumbies youngster Noah Lolesio, just 20, will come in as playmaker with Kiwi-born Irae Simone, his Brumbies partner, outside him.
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Frizell is playing well. The thing I worry about is the inconsistency of Karl T, Pat T, and Ofa. Could be a hard day at the office if these guys don't get their head right.
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Like that Fozzie's kept the team as unchanged as possible with only injury changes in the starting 15 but able to try different things off the bench. Like the idea of Laumape coming on in the last 20 mins or so.
Don't have a problem with Frizell at 6 as thought he went well & combined well in Bled 2 with Ardie & Sam. Just don't get Jordie at 14 though. Class player but out of position for me and can't see the logic of it.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Just don't get Jordie at 14 though. Class player but out of position for me and can't see the logic of it.
I think having Reiko on the bench with Laumape strongly suggests that they are looking at Reiko getting a run on the wing. Jordie needs to be much more effective in the air to justify his place.
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@gt12 said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Personally, I'd give Akira a go, but I can live with Frizell in the jersey.
The TWM, like the previous TWM, probably see issues with Akira around his attitude.
He's a talent though, and would be worth at least bringing him into the squad to see where his head is at. Hopefully, like Ali Williams, he'll come tight.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@gt12 said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Personally, I'd give Akira a go, but I can live with Frizell in the jersey.
The TWM, like the previous TWM, probably see issues with Akira around his attitude.
He's a talent though, and would be worth at least bringing him into the squad to see where his head is at. Hopefully, like Ali Williams, he'll come tight.
Huh? He's already in the squad.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@gt12 said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Personally, I'd give Akira a go, but I can live with Frizell in the jersey.
The TWM, like the previous TWM, probably see issues with Akira around his attitude.
He's a talent though, and would be worth at least bringing him into the squad to see where his head is at. Hopefully, like Ali Williams, he'll come tight.
Huh? He's already in the squad.
My bad - meant the 23.
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@nostrildamus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
don't loan out their farm animals.
you lonely?
@mariner4life resourceful
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Considering Jordie seems stuck in mud at 14, the rest of the team doesn't look too bad! Here's to a good game where I still get to complain about something.
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@Duluth said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Team has been released:
1 Karl Tu'inukuafe (14)
2 Dane Coles (71)
3 Ofa Tuungafasi (37)
4 Patrick Tuipulotu (32)
5 Samuel Whitelock (118)
6 Shannon Frizell (11)
7 Sam Cane (70) - captain
8 Hoskins Sotutu (2)
9 Aaron Smith (94)
10 Richie Mo'unga (19)
11 Caleb Clarke (2)
12 Jack Goodhue (15)
13 Anton Lienert-Brown (45)
14 Jordie Barrett (19)
15 Beauden Barrett (85)16 Codie Taylor (52)
17 Alex Hodgman (1)
18 Tyrel Lomax (2)
19 Scott Barrett (37)
20 Dalton Papalii (3)
21 TJ Perenara (66)
22 Ngani Laumape (13)
23 Rieko Ioane (31)Still strange to see that our best First Five is playing out of position, that our best Fullback is playing out of position and two of our most exciting young talents (Akira Ioane and Will Jordan) don't get a look in.
Still a question mark for me about Shannon Frizell as a Test 6 and Richie Mo'unga as a Test 10.
I can live with the rest. A good team. Loving the idea of Laumape and Reiko Ioane off the bench.
@sparky said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Duluth said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Team has been released:
1 Karl Tu'inukuafe (14)
2 Dane Coles (71)
3 Ofa Tuungafasi (37)
4 Patrick Tuipulotu (32)
5 Samuel Whitelock (118)
6 Shannon Frizell (11)
7 Sam Cane (70) - captain
8 Hoskins Sotutu (2)
9 Aaron Smith (94)
10 Richie Mo'unga (19)
11 Caleb Clarke (2)
12 Jack Goodhue (15)
13 Anton Lienert-Brown (45)
14 Jordie Barrett (19)
15 Beauden Barrett (85)16 Codie Taylor (52)
17 Alex Hodgman (1)
18 Tyrel Lomax (2)
19 Scott Barrett (37)
20 Dalton Papalii (3)
21 TJ Perenara (66)
22 Ngani Laumape (13)
23 Rieko Ioane (31)Bledisloe ripe for the keeping and a double take when you read Jordie on a wing and Reiko on a bench.
Doesn't seem right at all
Extra experience for Jordie for a future on the wing?
Yeah, nah
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@sparky said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Duluth said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Team has been released:
1 Karl Tu'inukuafe (14)
2 Dane Coles (71)
3 Ofa Tuungafasi (37)
4 Patrick Tuipulotu (32)
5 Samuel Whitelock (118)
6 Shannon Frizell (11)
7 Sam Cane (70) - captain
8 Hoskins Sotutu (2)
9 Aaron Smith (94)
10 Richie Mo'unga (19)
11 Caleb Clarke (2)
12 Jack Goodhue (15)
13 Anton Lienert-Brown (45)
14 Jordie Barrett (19)
15 Beauden Barrett (85)16 Codie Taylor (52)
17 Alex Hodgman (1)
18 Tyrel Lomax (2)
19 Scott Barrett (37)
20 Dalton Papalii (3)
21 TJ Perenara (66)
22 Ngani Laumape (13)
23 Rieko Ioane (31)Bledisloe ripe for the keeping and a double take when you read Jordie on a wing and Reiko on a bench.
Doesn't seem right at all
Extra experience for Jordie for a future on the wing?
Yeah, nah
@Siam said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@sparky said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Duluth said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Team has been released:
1 Karl Tu'inukuafe (14)
2 Dane Coles (71)
3 Ofa Tuungafasi (37)
4 Patrick Tuipulotu (32)
5 Samuel Whitelock (118)
6 Shannon Frizell (11)
7 Sam Cane (70) - captain
8 Hoskins Sotutu (2)
9 Aaron Smith (94)
10 Richie Mo'unga (19)
11 Caleb Clarke (2)
12 Jack Goodhue (15)
13 Anton Lienert-Brown (45)
14 Jordie Barrett (19)
15 Beauden Barrett (85)16 Codie Taylor (52)
17 Alex Hodgman (1)
18 Tyrel Lomax (2)
19 Scott Barrett (37)
20 Dalton Papalii (3)
21 TJ Perenara (66)
22 Ngani Laumape (13)
23 Rieko Ioane (31)Bledisloe ripe for the keeping and a double take when you read Jordie on a wing and Reiko on a bench.
Doesn't seem right at all
Extra experience for Jordie for a future on the wing?
Yeah, nah
Unless they are taking the Ben Smith approach with Jordie where Bender didn’t get his first start as fullback until more than 20 tests into his AB career. And I think only once did he even switch to fullback in that time.
And I recall there were critics when he was selected for the wing (and even the ABs itself) given there was some ‘firepower’ available like Piutau etc.
And looking back over his whole AB career Bender played as much on the right wing as he did at fullback.
They just seem keen to build Jordie’s experience.
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Jordie on the wing is all about experience, low error rate and defence.
I'm sure they don't want two absolute rookies at the back together in Clarke and Jordan vs Aus and I'm sure they think Jordie will score most of the tries he should, while being the best defensive option on the right wing. A sort of bigger, slower version of Ben Smith.
Probably also a bit of man management in that they don't want to push Beaudy to the bench and have him fuck off overseas permanently.
Pretty sure it's a short term measure, though.
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@Siam said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@sparky said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Duluth said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Team has been released:
1 Karl Tu'inukuafe (14)
2 Dane Coles (71)
3 Ofa Tuungafasi (37)
4 Patrick Tuipulotu (32)
5 Samuel Whitelock (118)
6 Shannon Frizell (11)
7 Sam Cane (70) - captain
8 Hoskins Sotutu (2)
9 Aaron Smith (94)
10 Richie Mo'unga (19)
11 Caleb Clarke (2)
12 Jack Goodhue (15)
13 Anton Lienert-Brown (45)
14 Jordie Barrett (19)
15 Beauden Barrett (85)16 Codie Taylor (52)
17 Alex Hodgman (1)
18 Tyrel Lomax (2)
19 Scott Barrett (37)
20 Dalton Papalii (3)
21 TJ Perenara (66)
22 Ngani Laumape (13)
23 Rieko Ioane (31)Bledisloe ripe for the keeping and a double take when you read Jordie on a wing and Reiko on a bench.
Doesn't seem right at all
Extra experience for Jordie for a future on the wing?
Yeah, nah
Unless they are taking the Ben Smith approach with Jordie where Bender didn’t get his first start as fullback until more than 20 tests into his AB career. And I think only once did he even switch to fullback in that time.
And I recall there were critics when he was selected for the wing (and even the ABs itself) given there was some ‘firepower’ available like Piutau etc.
And looking back over his whole AB career Bender played as much on the right wing as he did at fullback.
They just seem keen to build Jordie’s experience.
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Siam said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@sparky said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Duluth said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Team has been released:
1 Karl Tu'inukuafe (14)
2 Dane Coles (71)
3 Ofa Tuungafasi (37)
4 Patrick Tuipulotu (32)
5 Samuel Whitelock (118)
6 Shannon Frizell (11)
7 Sam Cane (70) - captain
8 Hoskins Sotutu (2)
9 Aaron Smith (94)
10 Richie Mo'unga (19)
11 Caleb Clarke (2)
12 Jack Goodhue (15)
13 Anton Lienert-Brown (45)
14 Jordie Barrett (19)
15 Beauden Barrett (85)16 Codie Taylor (52)
17 Alex Hodgman (1)
18 Tyrel Lomax (2)
19 Scott Barrett (37)
20 Dalton Papalii (3)
21 TJ Perenara (66)
22 Ngani Laumape (13)
23 Rieko Ioane (31)Bledisloe ripe for the keeping and a double take when you read Jordie on a wing and Reiko on a bench.
Doesn't seem right at all
Extra experience for Jordie for a future on the wing?
Yeah, nah
Unless they are taking the Ben Smith approach with Jordie where Bender didn’t get his first start as fullback until more than 20 tests into his AB career. And I think only once did he even switch to fullback in that time.
And I recall there were critics when he was selected for the wing (and even the ABs itself) given there was some ‘firepower’ available like Piutau etc.
And looking back over his whole AB career Bender played as much on the right wing as he did at fullback.
They just seem keen to build Jordie’s experience.
IIRC that was also during the 'new' tactic of a wing/fullback that was kind of pioneered accidently by Cory Jane.
CJ showed the value in having a wing that could read the game like a fullback and how kicks (thanks you South Africa) could be covered better with that setup.
Bender followed perfectly into that plan especially once opposition kicking tactions adjusted to high kicks to the sides a bit more (as opposed to trying to pick a spot in the backfield that the fullback would struggle to reach. -
Jordie on the wing is all about experience, low error rate and defence.
I'm sure they don't want two absolute rookies at the back together in Clarke and Jordan vs Aus and I'm sure they think Jordie will score most of the tries he should, while being the best defensive option on the right wing. A sort of bigger, slower version of Ben Smith.
Probably also a bit of man management in that they don't want to push Beaudy to the bench and have him fuck off overseas permanently.
Pretty sure it's a short term measure, though.
@Chris-B said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Jordie on the wing is all about experience, low error rate and defence.
I'm sure they don't want two absolute rookies at the back together in Clarke and Jordan vs Aus and I'm sure they think Jordie will score most of the tries he should, while being the best defensive option on the right wing. A sort of bigger, slower version of Ben Smith.
Probably also a bit of man management in that they don't want to push Beaudy to the bench and have him fuck off overseas permanently.
Pretty sure it's a short term measure, though.
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@Chris-B said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Jordie on the wing is all about experience, low error rate and defence.
I'm sure they don't want two absolute rookies at the back together in Clarke and Jordan vs Aus and I'm sure they think Jordie will score most of the tries he should, while being the best defensive option on the right wing. A sort of bigger, slower version of Ben Smith.
Probably also a bit of man management in that they don't want to push Beaudy to the bench and have him fuck off overseas permanently.
Pretty sure it's a short term measure, though.
@Nepia I reckon Jordie very clearly went up a level this year. He was excellent for the Hurricanes - barely made a mistake.
He's made a few rookie errors in the ABs, but those have to be left in the past at some point. He'll doubtless make a few more mistakes in his career - even Ben Smith got sent off in a World Cup final - but, I expect them to be relatively rare.
People like Jordan and Clarke probably still have their rookie errors in front of them - even if they ultimately become very safe options.
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@Nepia I reckon Jordie very clearly went up a level this year. He was excellent for the Hurricanes - barely made a mistake.
He's made a few rookie errors in the ABs, but those have to be left in the past at some point. He'll doubtless make a few more mistakes in his career - even Ben Smith got sent off in a World Cup final - but, I expect them to be relatively rare.
People like Jordan and Clarke probably still have their rookie errors in front of them - even if they ultimately become very safe options.
@Chris-B said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Nepia I reckon Jordie very clearly went up a level this year. He was excellent for the Hurricanes - barely made a mistake.
He's made a few rookie errors in the ABs, but those have to be left in the past at some point. He'll doubtless make a few more mistakes in his career - even Ben Smith got sent off in a World Cup final - but, I expect them to be relatively rare.
People like Jordan and Clarke probably still have their rookie errors in front of them - even if they ultimately become very safe options.
That is all fair comment.
What I haven't seen from Jordie (and I am happy for someone that watched the Canes more intently this year to correct me) is great positional play at the back.
It is an aspect that doesn't quite get the testing at Super Rugby as it does at higher levels due to the styles of games played.
Bender showed excellent positional awareness as did CJ before him. I watch JB on the wing and he always has his 15 telling him where to go. If he is as good a 15 himself he should know.
