Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October
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@reprobate said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Rugby when it is close has a lot to do with fire in the belly.
Are you suggesting the Wallabies weren't motivated enough to win a Bledisloe Test on Kiwi soil and become the first foreign team to win there in about 30 years?
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@reprobate said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Rugby when it is close has a lot to do with fire in the belly.
Are you suggesting the Wallabies weren't motivated enough to win a Bledisloe Test on Kiwi soil and become the first foreign team to win there in about 30 years?
Plenty of motivation but it is fine margins and subconsciously coming off a win is different to coming off a loss.
We were a little complacent in game 1, and massively fired up in game 2. Your guys had a big point to prove in game 1, and then think they belong in game 2. All it takes is a tiny % of slackening in the defensive line speed. -
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@reprobate said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Rugby when it is close has a lot to do with fire in the belly.
Are you suggesting the Wallabies weren't motivated enough to win a Bledisloe Test on Kiwi soil and become the first foreign team to win there in about 30 years?
Plenty of motivation but it is fine margins and subconsciously coming off a win is different to coming off a loss.
We were a little complacent in game 1, and massively fired up in game 2. Your guys had a big point to prove in game 1, and then think they belong in game 2. All it takes is a tiny % of slackening in the defensive line speed.@reprobate said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@reprobate said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Rugby when it is close has a lot to do with fire in the belly.
Are you suggesting the Wallabies weren't motivated enough to win a Bledisloe Test on Kiwi soil and become the first foreign team to win there in about 30 years?
Plenty of motivation but it is fine margins and subconsciously coming off a win is different to coming off a loss.
We were a little complacent in game 1, and massively fired up in game 2. Your guys had a big point to prove in game 1, and then think they belong in game 2. All it takes is a tiny % of slackening in the defensive line speed.I thought the aussies started off very well, similar to the last game. But we were able to raise our level
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@reprobate said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@reprobate said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Rugby when it is close has a lot to do with fire in the belly.
Are you suggesting the Wallabies weren't motivated enough to win a Bledisloe Test on Kiwi soil and become the first foreign team to win there in about 30 years?
Plenty of motivation but it is fine margins and subconsciously coming off a win is different to coming off a loss.
We were a little complacent in game 1, and massively fired up in game 2. Your guys had a big point to prove in game 1, and then think they belong in game 2. All it takes is a tiny % of slackening in the defensive line speed.I thought the aussies started off very well, similar to the last game. But we were able to raise our level
@canefan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@reprobate said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@reprobate said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Rugby when it is close has a lot to do with fire in the belly.
Are you suggesting the Wallabies weren't motivated enough to win a Bledisloe Test on Kiwi soil and become the first foreign team to win there in about 30 years?
Plenty of motivation but it is fine margins and subconsciously coming off a win is different to coming off a loss.
We were a little complacent in game 1, and massively fired up in game 2. Your guys had a big point to prove in game 1, and then think they belong in game 2. All it takes is a tiny % of slackening in the defensive line speed.I thought the aussies started off very well, similar to the last game. But we were able to raise our level
Yep. The fire is hard to maintain week after week - if anyone thinks Clarke is going to play like that every week against all opposition for the rest of his career they're pretty optimistic.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@reprobate said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Rugby when it is close has a lot to do with fire in the belly.
Are you suggesting the Wallabies weren't motivated enough to win a Bledisloe Test on Kiwi soil and become the first foreign team to win there in about 30 years?
Plenty of motivation but it is fine margins and subconsciously coming off a win is different to coming off a loss.
We were a little complacent in game 1, and massively fired up in game 2. Your guys had a big point to prove in game 1, and then think they belong in game 2. All it takes is a tiny % of slackening in the defensive line speed.@reprobate said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
subconsciously coming off a win is different to coming off a loss.
But neither of those things happened, remember?
Both sides were unhappy with their performance, and wanted to respond appropriately.I think you're flailing a little TBH with this hokey talk of "fire in the belly" or motivation being the difference - might work at park footy, but not here. Pretty much every professional sports coach or sports psych will tell you that athletes don't get to the top level without having motivation in truckloads.
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@reprobate said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
subconsciously coming off a win is different to coming off a loss.
But neither of those things happened, remember?
Both sides were unhappy with their performance, and wanted to respond appropriately.I think you're flailing a little TBH with this hokey talk of "fire in the belly" or motivation being the difference - might work at park footy, but not here. Pretty much every professional sports coach or sports psych will tell you that athletes don't get to the top level without having motivation in truckloads.
@NTA You say both sides were unhappy, that maybe true once they’d got their media heads on, but Hooper looked pretty chuffed in his straight after game interview. The ‘feeling’ from the wallabies, I reckon, was that a draw in NZ was as good as a win for them. Just the body language etc, they looked proud, ABs looked pissed off
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@reprobate said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
subconsciously coming off a win is different to coming off a loss.
But neither of those things happened, remember?
Both sides were unhappy with their performance, and wanted to respond appropriately.I think you're flailing a little TBH with this hokey talk of "fire in the belly" or motivation being the difference - might work at park footy, but not here. Pretty much every professional sports coach or sports psych will tell you that athletes don't get to the top level without having motivation in truckloads.
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@reprobate said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
subconsciously coming off a win is different to coming off a loss.
But neither of those things happened, remember?
Both sides were unhappy with their performance, and wanted to respond appropriately.I think you're flailing a little TBH with this hokey talk of "fire in the belly" or motivation being the difference - might work at park footy, but not here. Pretty much every professional sports coach or sports psych will tell you that athletes don't get to the top level without having motivation in truckloads.
Hansen used to say that they would often know the result (or good performance) by Wednesday based on the mental condition. They could see when the team had that little extra focus and intent.
I think your lot were subconciously happy after Welly. They performed above expectations and had a bit of smoke blown up their arses despite the best attempts to stay on course.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@reprobate said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
subconsciously coming off a win is different to coming off a loss.
But neither of those things happened, remember?
Both sides were unhappy with their performance, and wanted to respond appropriately.I think you're flailing a little TBH with this hokey talk of "fire in the belly" or motivation being the difference - might work at park footy, but not here. Pretty much every professional sports coach or sports psych will tell you that athletes don't get to the top level without having motivation in truckloads.
Hansen used to say that they would often know the result (or good performance) by Wednesday based on the mental condition. They could see when the team had that little extra focus and intent.
I think your lot were subconciously happy after Welly. They performed above expectations and had a bit of smoke blown up their arses despite the best attempts to stay on course.
@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I think your lot were subconciously happy after Welly. They performed above expectations and had a bit of smoke blown up their arses despite the best attempts to stay on course.
See also ABs v England after Ireland in 2019.
Edit: or SA + France 2015
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I think your lot were subconciously happy after Welly. They performed above expectations and had a bit of smoke blown up their arses despite the best attempts to stay on course.
See also ABs v England after Ireland in 2019.
Edit: or SA + France 2015
@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I think your lot were subconciously happy after Welly. They performed above expectations and had a bit of smoke blown up their arses despite the best attempts to stay on course.
See also ABs v England after Ireland in 2019.
Edit: or SA + France 2015
GH always used to say it was not possible to play at the maximum level for 3 games in a row. I know this is 2 games but you know what I'm saying.... There are lots of examples as you say, ABs v France RWC11 final and ABs vs SA in RWC1995 and RWC15 off the top of my head
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I think your lot were subconciously happy after Welly. They performed above expectations and had a bit of smoke blown up their arses despite the best attempts to stay on course.
See also ABs v England after Ireland in 2019.
Edit: or SA + France 2015
GH always used to say it was not possible to play at the maximum level for 3 games in a row. I know this is 2 games but you know what I'm saying.... There are lots of examples as you say, ABs v France RWC11 final and ABs vs SA in RWC1995 and RWC15 off the top of my head
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@reprobate said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@reprobate said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Rugby when it is close has a lot to do with fire in the belly.
Are you suggesting the Wallabies weren't motivated enough to win a Bledisloe Test on Kiwi soil and become the first foreign team to win there in about 30 years?
Plenty of motivation but it is fine margins and subconsciously coming off a win is different to coming off a loss.
We were a little complacent in game 1, and massively fired up in game 2. Your guys had a big point to prove in game 1, and then think they belong in game 2. All it takes is a tiny % of slackening in the defensive line speed.I thought the aussies started off very well, similar to the last game. But we were able to raise our level
@canefan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I thought the aussies started off very well, similar to the last game. But we were able to raise our level
Thinking about the game, that was the most satisfying thing for me.
Putting aside the standouts like Caleb Clarke, ALB and Sam Cane, it was hard to to spot anyone who wasn't playing really well. Pat T was a good example - took responsibility for a pretty raw 4/5 combination and really stepped up, esp. in the 2nd half.
Maybe I'm imagining it, but there seems far fewer stupid decisions and errors from the AB's in these last 2 games (RI excepted) than in the recent past. Dunno whether that's Cane's captaincy - he seems calmer and less wild-eyed than Read - or Fozzie's coaching, but just hope it continues.
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@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
spot on, and England in the final - they shot their load the week before.
And in RWC2015 England suffered from premature ejection...
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@canefan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I thought the aussies started off very well, similar to the last game. But we were able to raise our level
Thinking about the game, that was the most satisfying thing for me.
Putting aside the standouts like Caleb Clarke, ALB and Sam Cane, it was hard to to spot anyone who wasn't playing really well. Pat T was a good example - took responsibility for a pretty raw 4/5 combination and really stepped up, esp. in the 2nd half.
Maybe I'm imagining it, but there seems far fewer stupid decisions and errors from the AB's in these last 2 games (RI excepted) than in the recent past. Dunno whether that's Cane's captaincy - he seems calmer and less wild-eyed than Read - or Fozzie's coaching, but just hope it continues.
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@reprobate said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
subconsciously coming off a win is different to coming off a loss.
But neither of those things happened, remember?
Both sides were unhappy with their performance, and wanted to respond appropriately.I think you're flailing a little TBH with this hokey talk of "fire in the belly" or motivation being the difference - might work at park footy, but not here. Pretty much every professional sports coach or sports psych will tell you that athletes don't get to the top level without having motivation in truckloads.
Hansen used to say that they would often know the result (or good performance) by Wednesday based on the mental condition. They could see when the team had that little extra focus and intent.
I think your lot were subconciously happy after Welly. They performed above expectations and had a bit of smoke blown up their arses despite the best attempts to stay on course.
@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I think your lot were subconciously happy after Welly. They performed above expectations and had a bit of smoke blown up their arses despite the best attempts to stay on course.
You think Dave Rennie - the coach that you lot are gnashing your teeth about missing out on - would have let that attitude pervade in camp?
Yeah, nah... nah.
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@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I think your lot were subconciously happy after Welly. They performed above expectations and had a bit of smoke blown up their arses despite the best attempts to stay on course.
You think Dave Rennie - the coach that you lot are gnashing your teeth about missing out on - would have let that attitude pervade in camp?
Yeah, nah... nah.
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I think your lot were subconciously happy after Welly. They performed above expectations and had a bit of smoke blown up their arses despite the best attempts to stay on course.
You think Dave Rennie - the coach that you lot are gnashing your teeth about missing out on - would have let that attitude pervade in camp?
Yeah, nah... nah.
I don't think any coach lets the players get complacent and I don't buy that the wobs were complacent(and by the way I thought the wallabies came out strong and we ended up being too strong). Sometimes the players show they are human and aren't totally locked in. In a game with small margins that can be a difference maker. Just not last Sunday
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@Victor-Meldrew the most enjoyable thing for me was that we fronted up physically and ultimately win the breakdown and the collisions for the first time since the RWC19 QF
Yeah, the physicality level was up several notches. Not wanting to be a jeremiah here, but didn't we do that against Ireland in the RWC2019 quarter-finals?
The Wobbles will be up for Bled 3 and we need to make sure we stay calm and don't lose our heads in the first 20 minutes.
Isn't it good to have competitive Oz-AB games again?
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I think your lot were subconciously happy after Welly. They performed above expectations and had a bit of smoke blown up their arses despite the best attempts to stay on course.
You think Dave Rennie - the coach that you lot are gnashing your teeth about missing out on - would have let that attitude pervade in camp?
Yeah, nah... nah.
I don't think any coach lets the players get complacent and I don't buy that the wobs were complacent(and by the way I thought the wallabies came out strong and we ended up being too strong). Sometimes the players show they are human and aren't totally locked in. In a game with small margins that can be a difference maker. Just not last Sunday
@canefan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I think your lot were subconciously happy after Welly. They performed above expectations and had a bit of smoke blown up their arses despite the best attempts to stay on course.
You think Dave Rennie - the coach that you lot are gnashing your teeth about missing out on - would have let that attitude pervade in camp?
Yeah, nah... nah.
I don't think any coach lets the players get complacent and I don't buy that the wobs were complacent(and by the way I thought the wallabies came out strong and we ended up being too strong). Sometimes the players show they are human and aren't totally locked in. In a game with small margins that can be a difference maker
That's what I was getting at. It is the tiny subconcious % that can translate to a difference on the field. Maybe not quite as urgent, maybe not quite as accurate.
Or could be as simple as thinking that you have an area nailed and look at other areas of improvement, taking your eye slightly off the ball. -
Yeah, the physicality level was up several notches. Not wanting to be a jeremiah here, but didn't we do that against Ireland in the RWC2019 quarter-finals?
The Wobbles will be up for Bled 3 and we need to make sure we stay calm and don't lose our heads in the first 20 minutes.
Isn't it good to have competitive Oz-AB games again?
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@Victor-Meldrew thats what I said didnt I? We beat down Ireland, then against England,
not so muchEdit: sorry I meant the rwc19 QF
