Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October

[nzzp]

@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

I think your lot were subconciously happy after Welly. They performed above expectations and had a bit of smoke blown up their arses despite the best attempts to stay on course.

See also ABs v England after Ireland in 2019.

Edit: or SA + France 2015

[canefan]

@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

I think your lot were subconciously happy after Welly. They performed above expectations and had a bit of smoke blown up their arses despite the best attempts to stay on course.

See also ABs v England after Ireland in 2019.

Edit: or SA + France 2015

GH always used to say it was not possible to play at the maximum level for 3 games in a row. I know this is 2 games but you know what I'm saying.... There are lots of examples as you say, ABs v France RWC11 final and ABs vs SA in RWC1995 and RWC15 off the top of my head

[nzzp]

@canefan spot on, and England in the final - they shot their load the week before.

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@canefan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

I thought the aussies started off very well, similar to the last game. But we were able to raise our level

Thinking about the game, that was the most satisfying thing for me.

Putting aside the standouts like Caleb Clarke, ALB and Sam Cane, it was hard to to spot anyone who wasn't playing really well. Pat T was a good example - took responsibility for a pretty raw 4/5 combination and really stepped up, esp. in the 2nd half.

Maybe I'm imagining it, but there seems far fewer stupid decisions and errors from the AB's in these last 2 games (RI excepted) than in the recent past. Dunno whether that's Cane's captaincy - he seems calmer and less wild-eyed than Read - or Fozzie's coaching, but just hope it continues.

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@nzzp said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

spot on, and England in the final - they shot their load the week before.

And in RWC2015 England suffered from premature ejection...

[KiwiMurph]

Wallabies played a lot better than the scoreline suggests in Bledisloe 2. They had a flat period defensively after halftime (after having lost Toomua) and their hands let them down but they did a lot of good stuff.

[canefan]

@Victor-Meldrew the most enjoyable thing for me was that we fronted up physically and ultimately win the breakdown and the collisions for the first time since the RWC19 QF

[NTA]

@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

I think your lot were subconciously happy after Welly. They performed above expectations and had a bit of smoke blown up their arses despite the best attempts to stay on course.

You think Dave Rennie - the coach that you lot are gnashing your teeth about missing out on - would have let that attitude pervade in camp?

Yeah, nah... nah.

[canefan]

@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

I think your lot were subconciously happy after Welly. They performed above expectations and had a bit of smoke blown up their arses despite the best attempts to stay on course.

You think Dave Rennie - the coach that you lot are gnashing your teeth about missing out on - would have let that attitude pervade in camp?

Yeah, nah... nah.

I don't think any coach lets the players get complacent and I don't buy that the wobs were complacent(and by the way I thought the wallabies came out strong and we ended up being too strong). Sometimes the players show they are human and aren't totally locked in. In a game with small margins that can be a difference maker. Just not last Sunday

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@canefan

Yeah, the physicality level was up several notches. Not wanting to be a jeremiah here, but didn't we do that against Ireland in the RWC2019 quarter-finals?

The Wobbles will be up for Bled 3 and we need to make sure we stay calm and don't lose our heads in the first 20 minutes.

Isn't it good to have competitive Oz-AB games again?

[canefan]

So often we are accused for failing to give the opposition credit when we don't play well. This time they played well until we beat them into not playing well

[Crucial]

@canefan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

I think your lot were subconciously happy after Welly. They performed above expectations and had a bit of smoke blown up their arses despite the best attempts to stay on course.

You think Dave Rennie - the coach that you lot are gnashing your teeth about missing out on - would have let that attitude pervade in camp?

Yeah, nah... nah.

I don't think any coach lets the players get complacent and I don't buy that the wobs were complacent(and by the way I thought the wallabies came out strong and we ended up being too strong). Sometimes the players show they are human and aren't totally locked in. In a game with small margins that can be a difference maker

That's what I was getting at. It is the tiny subconcious % that can translate to a difference on the field. Maybe not quite as urgent, maybe not quite as accurate.
Or could be as simple as thinking that you have an area nailed and look at other areas of improvement, taking your eye slightly off the ball.

[canefan]

@Victor-Meldrew thats what I said didnt I? We beat down Ireland, then against England, not so much

Edit: sorry I meant the rwc19 QF

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@canefan

[Edit]
I'm more referring to the sheer mindlessness and stupid play and gifting momentum to the other side we saw against England in the semis.

Don't expect us to dominate all the time.

[canefan]

@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

@canefan

I'm more referring to the sheer mindlessness and stupid play we saw against England in the semis - rather than the opposition getting the upper hand in the game.

We definitely had that. I was talking about the lack of physicality and aggression that we displayed vs England and in G1 of the Bled. So I guess we can both be right...

[Kirwan]

@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

@canefan said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

@Crucial said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

I think your lot were subconciously happy after Welly. They performed above expectations and had a bit of smoke blown up their arses despite the best attempts to stay on course.

You think Dave Rennie - the coach that you lot are gnashing your teeth about missing out on - would have let that attitude pervade in camp?

Yeah, nah... nah.

I don't think any coach lets the players get complacent and I don't buy that the wobs were complacent(and by the way I thought the wallabies came out strong and we ended up being too strong). Sometimes the players show they are human and aren't totally locked in. In a game with small margins that can be a difference maker

That's what I was getting at. It is the tiny subconcious % that can translate to a difference on the field. Maybe not quite as urgent, maybe not quite as accurate.
Or could be as simple as thinking that you have an area nailed and look at other areas of improvement, taking your eye slightly off the ball.

I think it's the opposite, that they were indimidated by the Eden Park record and what happened previously last year and were nervous instead of confident.

Much harder to back up a good performance mentally.

[Rapido]

@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

Ah coolio

https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2020/10/20/wallabies-to-wear-indigenous-jersey-against-all-blacks-in-bledisloe-iii-sydney-2020

"The Wallabies will wear their Indigenous jersey twice during the 2020 Test season, including against the All Blacks in Bledisloe III in Sydney on October 31.
...
The Wallabies will also wear the jersey against Argentina during their Tri-Nations clash at Bankwest Stadium on December 5. "

I don't like it.
International jerseys should have a simple class.

I don't hate it, as a training jersey or design.
At least it is predominantly one colour, green, unlike some of the blended no-colour kit-clash garbage we sometimes see. Although I'd need to see the back of the shirt, to make sure it isn't a totally different colour, or a green so dark it will look black ... like the opponent they are supposed to be different from.

I mean, I know I'm not the target market. Like the drunk boor in a bar who keeps repeating himself .... I terminated my sky contract first game back post covid, as a team was wearing tribeless pink, just for the sake of it. And I'm sick of lack of identity and tradition. I need to care.

[NTA]

@Rapido said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

And I'm sick of lack of identity and tradition.

Well, respecting thousands of years of indigenous settlement in Australia should be right up your alley, then

Interesting that the Wallabies wore green and not gold pre-WW2 but it clashed with the Boks.

[Rapido]

@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

@Rapido said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

And I'm sick of lack of identity and tradition.

Well, respecting thousands of years of indigenous settlement in Australia should be right up your alley, then

Were limited by knitting/stitching technologies back then. Would have been limited to bold plain or bold hoops, just as god intended it.

[NTA]

@Rapido said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

@NTA said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

@Rapido said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:

And I'm sick of lack of identity and tradition.

Well, respecting thousands of years of indigenous settlement in Australia should be right up your alley, then

Were limited by knitting/stitching technologies back then. Would have been limited to bold plain or bold hoops, just as god intended it.

I don't mind hoops on a jersey. Our club kit this year looked back to our first couple of years, but I'd like Third Grade to have hoops just so the big boys look even bigger