Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November
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Ok, last 30 rewatch.
Again, better than I expected, but SO annoying.
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50-53 Some good lineout work -- Savea!! -- and two good mauls lead to try. 10 - 19.
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BUT THEN After good Smith kick off return to halfway, Clarke marks poor Puma box kick, but, rather than tap and pass to BB/RM, kicks himself and gains 3m. From lineout one phase then Mo'unga is stupidly standing on 22 when ruck is 2m inside. ACTUAL offside line. In front. 10 -22 after 57.
That is very important because Pumas leaked plenty of penalties in their 22 in last 20. At 10 - 19 we take kick and one try to win. But now need two tries.
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At the 60 Pumas penalised on 22. Kick means lineout 10m out. UK coverage missed lineout but we lost it?
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Soon after a short kick from RM advances us to 22.
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At 63 JG off for DMac and Roane to 13. Play develops and Pumas knock on. Excellent scrum and Sotutu advances to 22, good ruck and overlap (photo to follow). RM-ALB-Roane, who drops ball with Clarke unmarked and one covering Puma to beat. Sure JG would have nailed that assist. :angry_face:
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Now 66 and good AB scrum. We regain possession and ALB makes good ground angling back close to ruck. Has another similar good dab shortly after RM grubber straight to Puma. Another penalty 40m out.
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71 ANOTHER penalty right in front of sticks Good scrum, excellent Sotutu break and pass which if it hits Dmac is try and if converted real chance of win. But if Sotutu had kept running also probably try, but easier conversion.
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73.30 ANOTHING FARKING PENALTY right in front. Scrum? No. Weber taps (tip from TJP?), turnover, kicked to halfway, dubious penalty from maul??, Sanchez kicks it. 10-25. GAME OVER.
In 15 minutes (58-73) we had at least two try scoring opportunites, numerous penalties in Puma half (some in 22), score NOTHING, and they get to halfway ONCE and steal 3!!!!
ABs did a lot right, but if chances aren't taken matches are lost.
Still not going just to blame Foster.
Some observations:
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ABs made chances and Puma gaps were exposed, despite mood of thread.
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Sotutu transformed ABs in loose.
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Savea good lineout option and seemed better at breakdown once Sotutu on.
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AB scrum with Moody/Taylor/Laulala in front row had edge on Puma starters.
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ALB footwork at 12 unlocked Puma defence. Pity JG couldn't have just swapped with him at the 68 mark!!!
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DMac added some spice.
I'm backing ABs to rebound very strongly in a fortnight...
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Ok, last 30 rewatch.
Again, better than I expected, but SO annoying.
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50-53 Some good lineout work -- Savea!! -- and two good mauls lead to try. 10 - 19.
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BUT THEN After good Smith kick off return to halfway, Clarke marks poor Puma box kick, but, rather than tap and pass to BB/RM, kicks himself and gains 3m. From lineout one phase then Mo'unga is stupidly standing on 22 when ruck is 2m inside. ACTUAL offside line. In front. 10 -22 after 57.
That is very important because Pumas leaked plenty of penalties in their 22 in last 20. At 10 - 19 we take kick and one try to win. But now need two tries.
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At the 60 Pumas penalised on 22. Kick means lineout 10m out. UK coverage missed lineout but we lost it?
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Soon after a short kick from RM advances us to 22.
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At 63 JG off for DMac and Roane to 13. Play develops and Pumas knock on. Excellent scrum and Sotutu advances to 22, good ruck and overlap (photo to follow). RM-ALB-Roane, who drops ball with Clarke unmarked and one covering Puma to beat. Sure JG would have nailed that assist. :angry_face:
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Now 66 and good AB scrum. We regain possession and ALB makes good ground angling back close to ruck. Has another similar good dab shortly after RM grubber straight to Puma. Another penalty 40m out.
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71 ANOTHER penalty right in front of sticks Good scrum, excellent Sotutu break and pass which if it hits Dmac is try and if converted real chance of win. But if Sotutu had kept running also probably try, but easier conversion.
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73.30 ANOTHING FARKING PENALTY right in front. Scrum? No. Weber taps (tip from TJP?), turnover, kicked to halfway, dubious penalty from maul??, Sanchez kicks it. 10-25. GAME OVER.
In 15 minutes (58-73) we had at least two try scoring opportunites, numerous penalties in Puma half (some in 22), score NOTHING, and they get to halfway ONCE and steal 3!!!!
ABs did a lot right, but if chances aren't taken matches are lost.
Still not going just to blame Foster.
Some observations:
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ABs made chances and Puma gaps were exposed, despite mood of thread.
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Sotutu transformed ABs in loose.
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Savea good lineout option and seemed better at breakdown once Sotutu on.
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AB scrum with Moody/Taylor/Laulala in front row had edge on Puma starters.
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ALB footwork at 12 unlocked Puma defence. Pity JG couldn't have just swapped with him at the 68 mark!!!
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DMac added some spice.
I'm backing ABs to rebound very strongly in a fortnight...
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@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Two passes to score.
NOPE.
How the f**k did they not score that?
Pants performance.
@sparky said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Two passes to score.
NOPE.
How the f**k did they not score that?
Pants performance.
Lack of red arrows
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Ok, last 30 rewatch.
Again, better than I expected, but SO annoying.
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50-53 Some good lineout work -- Savea!! -- and two good mauls lead to try. 10 - 19.
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BUT THEN After good Smith kick off return to halfway, Clarke marks poor Puma box kick, but, rather than tap and pass to BB/RM, kicks himself and gains 3m. From lineout one phase then Mo'unga is stupidly standing on 22 when ruck is 2m inside. ACTUAL offside line. In front. 10 -22 after 57.
That is very important because Pumas leaked plenty of penalties in their 22 in last 20. At 10 - 19 we take kick and one try to win. But now need two tries.
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At the 60 Pumas penalised on 22. Kick means lineout 10m out. UK coverage missed lineout but we lost it?
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Soon after a short kick from RM advances us to 22.
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At 63 JG off for DMac and Roane to 13. Play develops and Pumas knock on. Excellent scrum and Sotutu advances to 22, good ruck and overlap (photo to follow). RM-ALB-Roane, who drops ball with Clarke unmarked and one covering Puma to beat. Sure JG would have nailed that assist. :angry_face:
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Now 66 and good AB scrum. We regain possession and ALB makes good ground angling back close to ruck. Has another similar good dab shortly after RM grubber straight to Puma. Another penalty 40m out.
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71 ANOTHER penalty right in front of sticks Good scrum, excellent Sotutu break and pass which if it hits Dmac is try and if converted real chance of win. But if Sotutu had kept running also probably try, but easier conversion.
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73.30 ANOTHING FARKING PENALTY right in front. Scrum? No. Weber taps (tip from TJP?), turnover, kicked to halfway, dubious penalty from maul??, Sanchez kicks it. 10-25. GAME OVER.
In 15 minutes (58-73) we had at least two try scoring opportunites, numerous penalties in Puma half (some in 22), score NOTHING, and they get to halfway ONCE and steal 3!!!!
ABs did a lot right, but if chances aren't taken matches are lost.
Still not going just to blame Foster.
Some observations:
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ABs made chances and Puma gaps were exposed, despite mood of thread.
-
Sotutu transformed ABs in loose.
-
Savea good lineout option and seemed better at breakdown once Sotutu on.
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AB scrum with Moody/Taylor/Laulala in front row had edge on Puma starters.
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ALB footwork at 12 unlocked Puma defence. Pity JG couldn't have just swapped with him at the 68 mark!!!
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DMac added some spice.
I'm backing ABs to rebound very strongly in a fortnight...
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
- 73.30 ANOTHING FARKING PENALTY right in front. Scrum? No. Weber taps (tip from TJP?), turnover, kicked to halfway, dubious penalty from maul??, Sanchez kicks it. 10-25. GAME OVER.
I'm going in to bat for Weber on this one. To win that game, you need two tries, and the clock is against you. I can understand why you tap and go - try and keep the pace up, keep the Argies in oxygen deficit, and score quickly. So, I can understand the logic behind it, and it's not a horror decision.
I can also understand the kick to the corner and drive - but that did not work well for us in the game. We lost a lot of lineout ball.
BY this time we're chasing the game, too,
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@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
- 73.30 ANOTHING FARKING PENALTY right in front. Scrum? No. Weber taps (tip from TJP?), turnover, kicked to halfway, dubious penalty from maul??, Sanchez kicks it. 10-25. GAME OVER.
I'm going in to bat for Weber on this one. To win that game, you need two tries, and the clock is against you. I can understand why you tap and go - try and keep the pace up, keep the Argies in oxygen deficit, and score quickly. So, I can understand the logic behind it, and it's not a horror decision.
I can also understand the kick to the corner and drive - but that did not work well for us in the game. We lost a lot of lineout ball.
BY this time we're chasing the game, too,
@nzzp and when you start chasing the game you are also working under pressure, which causes hesitation in decision making, or pressure which can lead to the wrong decision being made.
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@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
- 73.30 ANOTHING FARKING PENALTY right in front. Scrum? No. Weber taps (tip from TJP?), turnover, kicked to halfway, dubious penalty from maul??, Sanchez kicks it. 10-25. GAME OVER.
I'm going in to bat for Weber on this one. To win that game, you need two tries, and the clock is against you. I can understand why you tap and go - try and keep the pace up, keep the Argies in oxygen deficit, and score quickly. So, I can understand the logic behind it, and it's not a horror decision.
I can also understand the kick to the corner and drive - but that did not work well for us in the game. We lost a lot of lineout ball.
BY this time we're chasing the game, too,
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@nzzp the most frustrating thing was our taps aren't fucken quick taps. They're fuckabout for half a minute while the opposition gets set taps. Makes no sense - either go or take a scrum.
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@nzzp and when you start chasing the game you are also working under pressure, which causes hesitation in decision making, or pressure which can lead to the wrong decision being made.
@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@nzzp and when you start chasing the game you are also working under pressure, which causes hesitation in decision making, or pressure which can lead to the wrong decision being made.
Cascading effect. Close first half 8 behind, more composure second. Last quarter say no more than 10 behind and it's a completely difference ball game.
Lemony Snicket
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@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
- 73.30 ANOTHING FARKING PENALTY right in front. Scrum? No. Weber taps (tip from TJP?), turnover, kicked to halfway, dubious penalty from maul??, Sanchez kicks it. 10-25. GAME OVER.
I'm going in to bat for Weber on this one. To win that game, you need two tries, and the clock is against you. I can understand why you tap and go - try and keep the pace up, keep the Argies in oxygen deficit, and score quickly. So, I can understand the logic behind it, and it's not a horror decision.
I can also understand the kick to the corner and drive - but that did not work well for us in the game. We lost a lot of lineout ball.
BY this time we're chasing the game, too,
@nzzp said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
- 73.30 ANOTHING FARKING PENALTY right in front. Scrum? No. Weber taps (tip from TJP?), turnover, kicked to halfway, dubious penalty from maul??, Sanchez kicks it. 10-25. GAME OVER.
I'm going in to bat for Weber on this one. To win that game, you need two tries, and the clock is against you. I can understand why you tap and go - try and keep the pace up, keep the Argies in oxygen deficit, and score quickly. So, I can understand the logic behind it, and it's not a horror decision.
I can also understand the kick to the corner and drive - but that did not work well for us in the game. We lost a lot of lineout ball.
BY this time we're chasing the game, too,
Yes, but previous scrum we all but scored. There was time. But pressure leads to [more] mistakes.
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@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
- 73.30 ANOTHING FARKING PENALTY right in front. Scrum? No. Weber taps (tip from TJP?), turnover, kicked to halfway, dubious penalty from maul??, Sanchez kicks it. 10-25. GAME OVER.
I'm going in to bat for Weber on this one. To win that game, you need two tries, and the clock is against you. I can understand why you tap and go - try and keep the pace up, keep the Argies in oxygen deficit, and score quickly. So, I can understand the logic behind it, and it's not a horror decision.
I can also understand the kick to the corner and drive - but that did not work well for us in the game. We lost a lot of lineout ball.
BY this time we're chasing the game, too,
@nzzp said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
- 73.30 ANOTHING FARKING PENALTY right in front. Scrum? No. Weber taps (tip from TJP?), turnover, kicked to halfway, dubious penalty from maul??, Sanchez kicks it. 10-25. GAME OVER.
I'm going in to bat for Weber on this one. To win that game, you need two tries, and the clock is against you. I can understand why you tap and go - try and keep the pace up, keep the Argies in oxygen deficit, and score quickly. So, I can understand the logic behind it, and it's not a horror decision.
I can also understand the kick to the corner and drive - but that did not work well for us in the game. We lost a lot of lineout ball.
BY this time we're chasing the game, too,
Thought the same when I saw it. Not only had we lost lineout ball but the every scrum was just taking an age.
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@nzzp said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
- 73.30 ANOTHING FARKING PENALTY right in front. Scrum? No. Weber taps (tip from TJP?), turnover, kicked to halfway, dubious penalty from maul??, Sanchez kicks it. 10-25. GAME OVER.
I'm going in to bat for Weber on this one. To win that game, you need two tries, and the clock is against you. I can understand why you tap and go - try and keep the pace up, keep the Argies in oxygen deficit, and score quickly. So, I can understand the logic behind it, and it's not a horror decision.
I can also understand the kick to the corner and drive - but that did not work well for us in the game. We lost a lot of lineout ball.
BY this time we're chasing the game, too,
Thought the same when I saw it. Not only had we lost lineout ball but the every scrum was just taking an age.
@DMX said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@nzzp said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
- 73.30 ANOTHING FARKING PENALTY right in front. Scrum? No. Weber taps (tip from TJP?), turnover, kicked to halfway, dubious penalty from maul??, Sanchez kicks it. 10-25. GAME OVER.
I'm going in to bat for Weber on this one. To win that game, you need two tries, and the clock is against you. I can understand why you tap and go - try and keep the pace up, keep the Argies in oxygen deficit, and score quickly. So, I can understand the logic behind it, and it's not a horror decision.
I can also understand the kick to the corner and drive - but that did not work well for us in the game. We lost a lot of lineout ball.
BY this time we're chasing the game, too,
Thought the same when I saw it. Not only had we lost lineout ball but the every scrum was just taking an age.
If one added up the time taken for scrums, kicks at goal and restarts my hunch is it might add up to as much as ten minutes of the 80.
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No potential for Josh Ioane at 10 in the next couple of years?
@nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
No potential for Josh Ioane at 10 in the next couple of years?
Have you been watching M10?
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A lot of talk about the attack (rightly) but the defence is really problematic at the moment. As a lot of people have said on here McLeod is really out of his depth it seems.
The defence is a big problem for 3 reasons that I can see
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Extremely passive with the opposition constantly gaining the advantage line and winning the physical battle.
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Discipline poor resulting in opposition gaining territory and points from penalties.
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The defence is not generating enough turnovers - ABs thrive off of turnover ball - a quality defence can generate turnovers not just through breakdowns but through frustration and pressure but this passive defence does not do that.
Even if you look at the Eden Park performance - the Wallabies made a lot of inroads - they just had problems with their handling that let them down.
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@DMX said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@nzzp said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
- 73.30 ANOTHING FARKING PENALTY right in front. Scrum? No. Weber taps (tip from TJP?), turnover, kicked to halfway, dubious penalty from maul??, Sanchez kicks it. 10-25. GAME OVER.
I'm going in to bat for Weber on this one. To win that game, you need two tries, and the clock is against you. I can understand why you tap and go - try and keep the pace up, keep the Argies in oxygen deficit, and score quickly. So, I can understand the logic behind it, and it's not a horror decision.
I can also understand the kick to the corner and drive - but that did not work well for us in the game. We lost a lot of lineout ball.
BY this time we're chasing the game, too,
Thought the same when I saw it. Not only had we lost lineout ball but the every scrum was just taking an age.
If one added up the time taken for scrums, kicks at goal and restarts my hunch is it might add up to as much as ten minutes of the 80.
@pakman I'd say more than 10!
Was one that was about 3 1/2 mins, another was well over 2 mins...
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So only 3 players sent home, Ofa, Kirifi and PUJ.
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Greens have cracked it -- the reason we lost? Too much whiteness
https://twitter.com/pulpyfictorious/status/1327723860586708992?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
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So only 3 players sent home, Ofa, Kirifi and PUJ.
@taniwharugby So PUJ looks really promising in his Eden Park cameo and they give him zero more chances? He's been the best 13 in the country this season.
What a clown show.
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@taniwharugby So PUJ looks really promising in his Eden Park cameo and they give him zero more chances? He's been the best 13 in the country this season.
What a clown show.
@KiwiMurph said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@taniwharugby So PUJ looks really promising in his Eden Park cameo and they give him zero more chances? He's been the best 13 in the country this season.
What a clown show.
and not like the midfield is firing , i think most people would say its a weak point...try something new?...nah
