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Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November

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  • BovidaeB Bovidae

    @canefan Changing your surname to Barrett is step 1.

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    @Bovidae haha Sevu Barrett

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    • canefanC canefan

      @Bovidae said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

      @KiwiMurph said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

      One thing neither Reece or Rieko offer is a kicking game - it's crazy to me these guys don't work on these sort of skills as professional players.

      Reece has even admitted that this is a big work-on.

      If he could get bigger stronger and faster, and develop some line breaking ability too that would be great

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      @canefan and not make unnecessary mistakes...
      He did seem faster last year.

      I'm going to address the gazelle in the room-is BB playing well enough to be in the team?

      Frizzo vs Akira. Seems to me Akira was up earlier and wrecking havoc in their line totally destablizing their attack but what do I know..

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      • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

        @canefan and not make unnecessary mistakes...
        He did seem faster last year.

        I'm going to address the gazelle in the room-is BB playing well enough to be in the team?

        Frizzo vs Akira. Seems to me Akira was up earlier and wrecking havoc in their line totally destablizing their attack but what do I know..

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        @nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

        I'm going to address the gazelle in the room-is BB playing well enough to be in the team?

        Defo playing well enough to be full-back. Can't complain about the results when he has.

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          Yes he has been overall good I think at 15 but he is hardly used for kicking, made mistakes and pushes JB to wing.
          If we look at 10,14,15 is that the strongest in those positions or is 10-15 axis that important?

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          • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

            Yes he has been overall good I think at 15 but he is hardly used for kicking, made mistakes and pushes JB to wing.
            If we look at 10,14,15 is that the strongest in those positions or is 10-15 axis that important?

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            @nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

            Yes he has been overall good I think at 15 but he is hardly used for kicking, made mistakes and pushes JB to wing.
            If we look at 10,14,15 is that the strongest in those positions or is 10-15 axis that important?

            What mistakes has BB made at fullback?

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            • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

              Yes he has been overall good I think at 15 but he is hardly used for kicking, made mistakes and pushes JB to wing.
              If we look at 10,14,15 is that the strongest in those positions or is 10-15 axis that important?

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              @nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

              If we look at 10,14,15 is that the strongest in those positions

              Pick a Barrett for fullback (not Kane or Scott) the other one goes to the bench. Both of them cover more than one position from there.

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              • SnowyS Snowy

                @nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

                If we look at 10,14,15 is that the strongest in those positions

                Pick a Barrett for fullback (not Kane or Scott) the other one goes to the bench. Both of them cover more than one position from there.

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                @Snowy said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

                @nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

                If we look at 10,14,15 is that the strongest in those positions

                Pick a Barrett for fullback (not Kane or Scott) the other one goes to the bench. Both of them cover more than one position from there.

                Too simple eh?

                That move would then give the starting backs and reserves more balance to cover the midfield and wing.

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                • SnowyS Snowy

                  @nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

                  If we look at 10,14,15 is that the strongest in those positions

                  Pick a Barrett for fullback (not Kane or Scott) the other one goes to the bench. Both of them cover more than one position from there.

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                  @Snowy although...SB is less likely to do something dodgy in a ruck if he plays at 15...and using Fozzie logic, he's tall so must be good under the highball

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                  • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                    @Snowy although...SB is less likely to do something dodgy in a ruck if he plays at 15...and using Fozzie logic, he's tall so must be good under the highball

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                    @Kiwiwomble said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

                    @Snowy although...SB is less likely to do something dodgy in a ruck if he plays at 15.

                    In a ruck, yes. Overall probably not.

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                      I know not scientific but just comparing the scores in the Bledisloe series when Beaudie has played full back and when he has not, I'd say he is first choice full back by a long way. Any hopes of him ousting Ritchie have probably died for good.

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                        @nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

                        I'm going to address the gazelle in the room-is BB playing well enough to be in the team?

                        Defo playing well enough to be full-back. Can't complain about the results when he has.

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                        @DMX said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

                        @nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

                        I'm going to address the gazelle in the room-is BB playing well enough to be in the team?

                        Defo playing well enough to be full-back. Can't complain about the results when he has.

                        Seems to enjoy the time and space at 15, looks stifled at 10 sometimes. To be fair his pack played shit last time out

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                        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                          @nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

                          Yes he has been overall good I think at 15 but he is hardly used for kicking, made mistakes and pushes JB to wing.
                          If we look at 10,14,15 is that the strongest in those positions or is 10-15 axis that important?

                          What mistakes has BB made at fullback?

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                          @KiwiMurph at least one kick in Bled 2 28th minute and I think I recall out of position or weak tackling in another

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                          • canefanC canefan

                            @DMX said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

                            @nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

                            I'm going to address the gazelle in the room-is BB playing well enough to be in the team?

                            Defo playing well enough to be full-back. Can't complain about the results when he has.

                            Seems to enjoy the time and space at 15, looks stifled at 10 sometimes. To be fair his pack played shit last time out

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                            @canefan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

                            @DMX said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

                            @nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

                            I'm going to address the gazelle in the room-is BB playing well enough to be in the team?

                            Defo playing well enough to be full-back. Can't complain about the results when he has.

                            Seems to enjoy the time and space at 15, looks stifled at 10 sometimes. To be fair his pack played shit last time out

                            And his halfback.

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                              I know not scientific but just comparing the scores in the Bledisloe series when Beaudie has played full back and when he has not, I'd say he is first choice full back by a long way. Any hopes of him ousting Ritchie have probably died for good.

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                              @DMX fair enough, then I'd have JB on the bench.

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                                • D DMX

                                  TJP may struggle to play for ABs again, S. Barrett must have dropped to 4th in lock rankings and may fall out when Brodie returns. Otherwise no surprises he chose his strongest lineup with Nepo being eased back in.

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                                  @DMX said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
                                  Otherwise no surprises he chose his strongest lineup with Nepo being eased back in.

                                  It's not the strongest line-up.
                                  Akira isn't there.

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                                    Given the above, I'll rephrase my question: what is missing from RM-BB (10:15) that requires JB at 14? To my eyes he is playing like a slow wing not a fb/wing, not fending correctly, not using his cannon that much and not having to take many high balls (which other wings are good at too). He really looks like he is taking the place of a winger and I have not seen what he brings to the table to offset that? Long-range penalties and conversions? I have not got the figures here but I suspect his kicking success has not been 80% perhaps not even over 70%.

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                                    • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                                      Given the above, I'll rephrase my question: what is missing from RM-BB (10:15) that requires JB at 14? To my eyes he is playing like a slow wing not a fb/wing, not fending correctly, not using his cannon that much and not having to take many high balls (which other wings are good at too). He really looks like he is taking the place of a winger and I have not seen what he brings to the table to offset that? Long-range penalties and conversions? I have not got the figures here but I suspect his kicking success has not been 80% perhaps not even over 70%.

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                                      @nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

                                      Given the above, I'll rephrase my question: what is missing from RM-BB (10:15) that requires JB at 14? To my eyes he is playing like a slow wing not a fb/wing, not fending correctly, not using his cannon that much and not having to take many high balls (which other wings are good at too). He really looks like he is taking the place of a winger and I have not seen what he brings to the table to offset that? Long-range penalties and conversions? I have not got the figures here but I suspect his kicking success has not been 80% perhaps not even over 70%.

                                      Yeah have to agree. Rieko Ioane for JB gives us better finishing power.Then you only need JB or DMac on the bench not both.

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                                      • nostrildamusN nostrildamus

                                        Given the above, I'll rephrase my question: what is missing from RM-BB (10:15) that requires JB at 14? To my eyes he is playing like a slow wing not a fb/wing, not fending correctly, not using his cannon that much and not having to take many high balls (which other wings are good at too). He really looks like he is taking the place of a winger and I have not seen what he brings to the table to offset that? Long-range penalties and conversions? I have not got the figures here but I suspect his kicking success has not been 80% perhaps not even over 70%.

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                                        @nostrildamus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

                                        Given the above, I'll rephrase my question: what is missing from RM-BB (10:15) that requires JB at 14? To my eyes he is playing like a slow wing not a fb/wing, not fending correctly, not using his cannon that much and not having to take many high balls (which other wings are good at too). He really looks like he is taking the place of a winger and I have not seen what he brings to the table to offset that? Long-range penalties and conversions? I have not got the figures here but I suspect his kicking success has not been 80% perhaps not even over 70%.

                                        With you on that. He seems to have a good eye for a gap / play what's in front of you type player.
                                        Great boot, good pass. Not so much use on the wing. Reduced space (touchlines, rush defence) lack of flat out speed or a serious step.

                                        Strengths not being used for me.

                                        Wing cover (if we have to) from the bench.

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                                        • FrankF Frank

                                          @DMX said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
                                          Otherwise no surprises he chose his strongest lineup with Nepo being eased back in.

                                          It's not the strongest line-up.
                                          Akira isn't there.

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                                          @Frank said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:

                                          @DMX said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
                                          Otherwise no surprises he chose his strongest lineup with Nepo being eased back in.

                                          It's not the strongest line-up.
                                          Akira isn't there.

                                          Think you can read my responses above.

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