Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November
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@sparky said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
We now know where Scott Barrett stand in the pecking order. Lock number 4 and he will be Lock number 5 when BBBR returns.
I think they rate him pretty highly but are clearly not impressed with what he did on Saturday. He's been dropped because of the yellow card imo.
@akan004 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@sparky said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
We now know where Scott Barrett stand in the pecking order. Lock number 4 and he will be Lock number 5 when BBBR returns.
I think they rate him pretty highly but are clearly not impressed with what he did on Saturday. He's been dropped because of the yellow card imo.
Foster had specifically said TJ and Scott are rotations. Maybe just bullshit so he's not throwing them under the bus, but?
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@akan004 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@sparky said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
We now know where Scott Barrett stand in the pecking order. Lock number 4 and he will be Lock number 5 when BBBR returns.
I think they rate him pretty highly but are clearly not impressed with what he did on Saturday. He's been dropped because of the yellow card imo.
Foster had specifically said TJ and Scott are rotations. Maybe just bullshit so he's not throwing them under the bus, but?
@Machpants when you look at the rest of the side, I reckon thats BS.
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@akan004 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@sparky said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
We now know where Scott Barrett stand in the pecking order. Lock number 4 and he will be Lock number 5 when BBBR returns.
I think they rate him pretty highly but are clearly not impressed with what he did on Saturday. He's been dropped because of the yellow card imo.
Foster had specifically said TJ and Scott are rotations. Maybe just bullshit so he's not throwing them under the bus, but?
@Machpants said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@akan004 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@sparky said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
We now know where Scott Barrett stand in the pecking order. Lock number 4 and he will be Lock number 5 when BBBR returns.
I think they rate him pretty highly but are clearly not impressed with what he did on Saturday. He's been dropped because of the yellow card imo.
Foster had specifically said TJ and Scott are rotations. Maybe just bullshit so he's not throwing them under the bus, but?
Yeah, almost certainly bs.
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@Machpants when you look at the rest of the side, I reckon thats BS.
@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Machpants when you look at the rest of the side, I reckon thats BS.
Me too, for public consumption. Behind closed doors it's
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@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia but as also noted in the thread, they seem to use Frizell differently, he isnt stationed wide like Akira was, so unless they decide to use him like that this week, isnt a direct comparison.
But that wasn't the stuff I was commenting that he'd need to show he'd do the same - doesn't matter where they're standing on the field they should be hitting people and rucks hard.
@Nepia said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia but as also noted in the thread, they seem to use Frizell differently, he isnt stationed wide like Akira was, so unless they decide to use him like that this week, isnt a direct comparison.
But that wasn't the stuff I was commenting that he'd need to show he'd do the same - doesn't matter where they're standing on the field they should be hitting people and rucks hard.
Maybe you could go back and watch the first 3 games without an eye patch? Frizzel definitely hits a lot of breakdowns... maybe not as noticeable because he's not standing to the side of the ruck with one hand on it...
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To me what Frizell brings is really high number of involvements, great athleticism (in a useful way not a Fifita way) and terrific aerial skills (restarts and lineout).
What Akira brings is a lot of strength/power (ball running, breakdowns, tackling) whilst also being very quick and useful in the lineout himself.
It's shaping as an interesting battle.
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To me what Frizell brings is really high number of involvements, great athleticism (in a useful way not a Fifita way) and terrific aerial skills (restarts and lineout).
What Akira brings is a lot of strength/power (ball running, breakdowns, tackling) whilst also being very quick and useful in the lineout himself.
It's shaping as an interesting battle.
@KiwiMurph yeah I think the battle is probably more between Sotutu and Aoane, than Frizzel.
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It'll be really interesting too see how the Argy go. They've had a very decent time together as a squad. Something you'd only normally get in a world cup year. Played a couplu of minnows games. They've seen how to fuck over the undisciplined abs. They could make a game of it. Especially game two after a test Vs has then Oz under their belt
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@KiwiMurph yeah I think the battle is probably more between Sotutu and Aoane, than Frizzel.
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@KiwiMurph yeah I think the battle is probably more between Sotutu and Aoane, than Frizzel.
Foster seems wedded to Cane/Savea/Other, which puts all three against each other.
My personal view is that, whilst working fine against the lighter packs, is unbalanced against a Pom or Bok unit.
Early days but I’m drawn towards a Cane/Sotutu/[Frizell/Aoane] combo, with Savea on bench.
Seems like Akira will get a run in Puma 2.
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@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@KiwiMurph yeah I think the battle is probably more between Sotutu and Aoane, than Frizzel.
Foster seems wedded to Cane/Savea/Other, which puts all three against each other.
My personal view is that, whilst working fine against the lighter packs, is unbalanced against a Pom or Bok unit.
Early days but I’m drawn towards a Cane/Sotutu/[Frizell/Aoane] combo, with Savea on bench.
Seems like Akira will get a run in Puma 2.
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@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
My personal view is that, whilst working fine against the lighter packs, is unbalanced against a Pom or Bok unit.
That the same England that play 2 opensides?
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
My personal view is that, whilst working fine against the lighter packs, is unbalanced against a Pom or Bok unit.
That the same England that play 2 opensides?
Yes. One is 6’ 3” and 17 stone 5!
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@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@KiwiMurph yeah I think the battle is probably more between Sotutu and Aoane, than Frizzel.
Foster seems wedded to Cane/Savea/Other, which puts all three against each other.
My personal view is that, whilst working fine against the lighter packs, is unbalanced against a Pom or Bok unit.
Early days but I’m drawn towards a Cane/Sotutu/[Frizell/Aoane] combo, with Savea on bench.
Seems like Akira will get a run in Puma 2.
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@KiwiMurph yeah I think the battle is probably more between Sotutu and Aoane, than Frizzel.
Foster seems wedded to Cane/Savea/Other, which puts all three against each other.
My personal view is that, whilst working fine against the lighter packs, is unbalanced against a Pom or Bok unit.
Early days but I’m drawn towards a Cane/Sotutu/[Frizell/Aoane] combo, with Savea on bench.
Seems like Akira will get a run in Puma 2.
Oh nooooooooooo, not those Boks and Poms again
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@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
My personal view is that, whilst working fine against the lighter packs, is unbalanced against a Pom or Bok unit.
That the same England that play 2 opensides?
Yes. One is 6’ 3” and 17 stone 5!
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
My personal view is that, whilst working fine against the lighter packs, is unbalanced against a Pom or Bok unit.
That the same England that play 2 opensides?
Yes. One is 6’ 3” and 17 stone 5!
I have no idea what this means but wiki has him as shorter than Cane and 7kg heavier.
Then again it has Underhill as taller than Curry...
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@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@KiwiMurph yeah I think the battle is probably more between Sotutu and Aoane, than Frizzel.
Foster seems wedded to Cane/Savea/Other, which puts all three against each other.
My personal view is that, whilst working fine against the lighter packs, is unbalanced against a Pom or Bok unit.
Early days but I’m drawn towards a Cane/Sotutu/[Frizell/Aoane] combo, with Savea on bench.
Seems like Akira will get a run in Puma 2.
Oh nooooooooooo, not those Boks and Poms again
@ACT-Crusader said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@KiwiMurph yeah I think the battle is probably more between Sotutu and Aoane, than Frizzel.
Foster seems wedded to Cane/Savea/Other, which puts all three against each other.
My personal view is that, whilst working fine against the lighter packs, is unbalanced against a Pom or Bok unit.
Early days but I’m drawn towards a Cane/Sotutu/[Frizell/Aoane] combo, with Savea on bench.
Seems like Akira will get a run in Puma 2.
Oh nooooooooooo, not those Boks and Poms again
Yeah, the problem was not the size and power of the English back row - the problem was the size and power of the English tight 5, coupled by the fact that we were beaten to too many breakdowns, or under-manned at too many breakdowns, because we played a lock on the blindside flank.
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@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
My personal view is that, whilst working fine against the lighter packs, is unbalanced against a Pom or Bok unit.
That the same England that play 2 opensides?
Yes. One is 6’ 3” and 17 stone 5!
I have no idea what this means but wiki has him as shorter than Cane and 7kg heavier.
Then again it has Underhill as taller than Curry...
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
My personal view is that, whilst working fine against the lighter packs, is unbalanced against a Pom or Bok unit.
That the same England that play 2 opensides?
Yes. One is 6’ 3” and 17 stone 5!
I have no idea what this means but wiki has him as shorter than Cane and 7kg heavier.
Then again it has Underhill as taller than Curry...
.....and if Ardie grows any taller air traffic control will have to warn any low flying planes
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Argentina team: 1. Tetaz, 2. Julian Montoya, 3. Francisco Gómez-Kodela, 4. Guido Petti, 5. Matias Alemanno, 6. Pablo Matera (C), 7. Marcos Kremer, 8. Rodrigo Bruni, 9. Tomas Cubelli, 10. Nicolas Sánchez, 11. Juan Imhoff, 12. Santiago Chocobares*, 13. Matias Orlando, 14. Bautista Delguy, 15. Santiago Carreras.
Reserves: 16. Facundo Bosch, 17. Mayco Vivas, 18. Santiago Medrano, 19. Santiago Grondona*, 20. Tomas Lezana, 21. Gonzalo Bertranou, 22. Lucio Cinti*, 23. Santiago Cordero.
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Wow, so many people talking up Akira and downplaying Frizell. No problem with talking up "the people's choice Akira", his potential is huge but Frizell has been really good so far this year and the best blindside we've had for a while.
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A hidden talent.
https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1326783193941467140?s=20
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@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
My personal view is that, whilst working fine against the lighter packs, is unbalanced against a Pom or Bok unit.
That the same England that play 2 opensides?
Yes. One is 6’ 3” and 17 stone 5!
I have no idea what this means but wiki has him as shorter than Cane and 7kg heavier.
Then again it has Underhill as taller than Curry...
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@pakman said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
My personal view is that, whilst working fine against the lighter packs, is unbalanced against a Pom or Bok unit.
That the same England that play 2 opensides?
Yes. One is 6’ 3” and 17 stone 5!
I have no idea what this means but wiki has him as shorter than Cane and 7kg heavier.
Then again it has Underhill as taller than Curry...
A bloody solid unit is what it means!
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@Nepia said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia but as also noted in the thread, they seem to use Frizell differently, he isnt stationed wide like Akira was, so unless they decide to use him like that this week, isnt a direct comparison.
But that wasn't the stuff I was commenting that he'd need to show he'd do the same - doesn't matter where they're standing on the field they should be hitting people and rucks hard.
Maybe you could go back and watch the first 3 games without an eye patch? Frizzel definitely hits a lot of breakdowns... maybe not as noticeable because he's not standing to the side of the ruck with one hand on it...
@Bones said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia but as also noted in the thread, they seem to use Frizell differently, he isnt stationed wide like Akira was, so unless they decide to use him like that this week, isnt a direct comparison.
But that wasn't the stuff I was commenting that he'd need to show he'd do the same - doesn't matter where they're standing on the field they should be hitting people and rucks hard.
Maybe you could go back and watch the first 3 games without an eye patch? Frizzel definitely hits a lot of breakdowns... maybe not as noticeable because he's not standing to the side of the ruck with one hand on it...
Agree that he was very busy and hit a lot of breakdowns. Not sure he shifted s lot of bodies or made a lot of metres though.
