Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November
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Lol 3 mins in and we've bombed the same try 3 times
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@Snowy yea I think the kicks were more often than not the right option, but didn't end up where they needed to be.
Is funny though how different we all see the game.
@taniwharugby said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@Snowy yea I think the kicks were more often than not the right option, but didn't end up where they needed to be.
Is funny though how different we all see the game.
I thought that I could see a plan. Which was probably the first time this year.
Execution is another thing of course, and yes some of them were shit, but I think it had the desired affect early on. Later on, no. A knackered defence, we should have been building phases.
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Funny, I was yelling at them to kick it to the Argies all night. With the game's defenses like they are these days, it is a liability to have the ball in your own half especially. The ABs still piss around with it too much in their own 22 and put pressure on themselves.
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Richie mo'unga you fucking suck
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Wait, why is Clarke the winger towed?
Jordie barrett is the living embodiment of kissed on the dick
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Wait, why is Clarke the winger towed?
Jordie barrett is the living embodiment of kissed on the dick
@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Wait, why is Clarke the winger towed?
You know the blokes name.
I think that he used to coach one of your teams.
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@taniwharugby said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
@mariner4life tbh i think it was more the kicking accuracy that was the issue.
Go back a few years and our kicks were always in the money, but in the past 18 months the accuracy hasn't been there so they are just wasted possession.
So fucking stop!!
Good half for most of the forwards. Impressed by the locks and the props. A Ioane is making this look easy. Not much for cane to do. Savea in the wrong position.
@mariner4life please, please listen to the Kearns and Clark exchange post game.
What I saw in the back was a free for all. It’s not attacking or reacting. It’s pass or kick and hope. I don’t think we played any better in the backs than the last game..
Mo’unga does not control the game. Im not sure he reacts either. There’s no territorial play. He seems to be crashing the ball more and more and we need him distributing. He wasn’t horrible but by this stage he should have cemented his position and he hasn’t.
BB is either 10 or he’s not. Right now he just floats and adds, well, not enough. It comes down to this, we either persevere with one or the other, like we used to and someone is disappointed for not being selected. Or we continue to field the odd specialist and the rest of the back line are utilities. That’s not a viable way forward.
Speaking of utilities, Jordie doesn’t work on the wing. I’d rather have a specialist and try him at the back or as utility cover. He’s a very good player being misused.
Caleb Clarke and Reiko Ioane(not so much last night for the latter but in general) do not appear to be getting any coaching at all. They only have eyes for the ball. They mostly don’t look for support and die with the ball a lot. Reiko is supposed to be this kid with jet engines and I can not remember him taking an outside break any many games.
Forwards we’re like a viagra pill and had me barred up... Energised, powerful, cohesive and dominant. Props to the props. They were outstanding. The young fella in 6 looks like he’s ready to live up to the potential we saw 3 or 4 years ago.
I think Cane is close to being done. The head and neck injuries are mounting up. I think his body will give up the ghost. He tackles like a demon. I’m not debating that. But I can see little things about his game now that look like a tired and beaten player and I don’t think Cane lasts much more than next season.
It was a very good win on the scoreboard. But let’s not act like that was the same team that beat us 2 weeks ago. They gave us the B team. That’s right. Someone did to us what we do to everyone(Except we usually win then too). But I my opinion I saw plenty more to worry about than to crow about.
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@mariner4life please, please listen to the Kearns and Clark exchange post game.
What I saw in the back was a free for all. It’s not attacking or reacting. It’s pass or kick and hope. I don’t think we played any better in the backs than the last game..
Mo’unga does not control the game. Im not sure he reacts either. There’s no territorial play. He seems to be crashing the ball more and more and we need him distributing. He wasn’t horrible but by this stage he should have cemented his position and he hasn’t.
BB is either 10 or he’s not. Right now he just floats and adds, well, not enough. It comes down to this, we either persevere with one or the other, like we used to and someone is disappointed for not being selected. Or we continue to field the odd specialist and the rest of the back line are utilities. That’s not a viable way forward.
Speaking of utilities, Jordie doesn’t work on the wing. I’d rather have a specialist and try him at the back or as utility cover. He’s a very good player being misused.
Caleb Clarke and Reiko Ioane(not so much last night for the latter but in general) do not appear to be getting any coaching at all. They only have eyes for the ball. They mostly don’t look for support and die with the ball a lot. Reiko is supposed to be this kid with jet engines and I can not remember him taking an outside break any many games.
Forwards we’re like a viagra pill and had me barred up... Energised, powerful, cohesive and dominant. Props to the props. They were outstanding. The young fella in 6 looks like he’s ready to live up to the potential we saw 3 or 4 years ago.
I think Cane is close to being done. The head and neck injuries are mounting up. I think his body will give up the ghost. He tackles like a demon. I’m not debating that. But I can see little things about his game now that look like a tired and beaten player and I don’t think Cane lasts much more than next season.
It was a very good win on the scoreboard. But let’s not act like that was the same team that beat us 2 weeks ago. They gave us the B team. That’s right. Someone did to us what we do to everyone(Except we usually win then too). But I my opinion I saw plenty more to worry about than to crow about.
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@raznomore said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
But I my opinion I saw plenty more to worry about than to crow about.
Haven't really seen or heard any crowing to be honest, and agree with you.
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TJP is a fucking mouthy cock who is wish would fuck entirely off.
@mariner4life your wish is granted
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@Tim said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Blowing the kick wide to J Barrett, when 7 - 0 up, was so frustrating.
It wasn't "blowing" the kick that was frustrating, it was that we fucking attempted it! We had an overlap and hands would have gotten us there, but nooooo, fucking Jordie was right up flat demanding it and his brother bloody well obliged.
Save that shit for your fucking backyard you stupid cnts
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The shit that Argentina are allowed to get away with is disgraceful.
Perhaps if the ref's did something about it there would be less "pushing"
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Good result. Crushed their ability to win the game in the first half. Forwards dominated. Discipline was good. Set piece was seriously strong.
The rest is very average.
Richie M seems like another in a long line of super rugby studs, test match duds.
We have a weapon on a wing with no ability to create space for him. The other wing is a non entity. BBarrett has been average at the back. The midfield is creating nothing.Lots of looking for contact, or post contact metres, very little guile to play off it.
All in all I reckon the Eden park performance was good, the rest can go to the bin.
Unfortunately I don't see how there is any change next year. The same shit will be on display because the brains trust can point to a couple of big wins and all the trophies on offer.
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Good result. Crushed their ability to win the game in the first half. Forwards dominated. Discipline was good. Set piece was seriously strong.
The rest is very average.
Richie M seems like another in a long line of super rugby studs, test match duds.
We have a weapon on a wing with no ability to create space for him. The other wing is a non entity. BBarrett has been average at the back. The midfield is creating nothing.Lots of looking for contact, or post contact metres, very little guile to play off it.
All in all I reckon the Eden park performance was good, the rest can go to the bin.
Unfortunately I don't see how there is any change next year. The same shit will be on display because the brains trust can point to a couple of big wins and all the trophies on offer.
@mariner4life dunno, I think (hope) in terms of personell Foz went with the tried and true, next year I'm hoping we will see him put more of his own stamp on things (given his contract expires end of next year) with next season to determine if he takes us to the RWC or not.
Gameplan i think there are glimpses of them changing things, but not sure there us enough here to get us to the head of the class again for him to take us into 2023.
2021 we need to be out and out the best team on the planet for Foz to get an extension.
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I genuinely feel Dmac is our best 10 potentially..even though I feel that experiment doesnt seem anywhere near currently..
BB has been out of form since 2017, Mounga hasn't been bad but I just think Dmac offers a higher ceiling. Hopefully he gets a full season at 10 for the Chiefs.
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I genuinely feel Dmac is our best 10 potentially..even though I feel that experiment doesnt seem anywhere near currently..
BB has been out of form since 2017, Mounga hasn't been bad but I just think Dmac offers a higher ceiling. Hopefully he gets a full season at 10 for the Chiefs.
@kpkanz said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
I genuinely feel Dmac is our best 10 potentially..even though I feel that experiment doesnt seem anywhere near currently..
BB has been out of form since 2017, Mounga hasn't been bad but I just think Dmac offers a higher ceiling. Hopefully he gets a full season at 10 for the Chiefs.
Good God man, get outta here with that shit!!!
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Two intercepts are making us look waaay better than we actually are
@mariner4life said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
Two intercepts are making us look waaay better than we actually are
Can't say I 100% agree.
If our finishing was better we'd have been 17-20 up at the break, not 10, and at least 38, if not more, in front at the end.
The intercepts were the fruits of the ground work earlier in the game.
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@kpkanz said in Argentina Two: Newcastle, 28 November:
I genuinely feel Dmac is our best 10 potentially..even though I feel that experiment doesnt seem anywhere near currently..
BB has been out of form since 2017, Mounga hasn't been bad but I just think Dmac offers a higher ceiling. Hopefully he gets a full season at 10 for the Chiefs.
Good God man, get outta here with that shit!!!
@voodoo He had what one start against France? Where it was one of the best performances at 10 we've seen in years? Thats the only opportunity he got.
I remember even at the time people on this board after that game agreed Dmac showed more potential than Mounga. But then the dual playmaker system started and Dmac was set at fullback with the 10/15 combo with BB before he got injured in 2019.
