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All Blacks 2021

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    If everyone's fit I'd pick the following in the back row squad:

    Sam Cane, Cullen Grace, Akira Ioane, Dalton Papali'i, Ardie Savea, Hoskins Sotutu

    Ethan Blackadder, Shannon Frizell, Luke Jacobson and Tom Robinson have all had some cracking performances in Super Rugby this year. Even if they lack the physically of my top 6.

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    • sparkyS sparky

      If everyone's fit I'd pick the following in the back row squad:

      Sam Cane, Cullen Grace, Akira Ioane, Dalton Papali'i, Ardie Savea, Hoskins Sotutu

      Ethan Blackadder, Shannon Frizell, Luke Jacobson and Tom Robinson have all had some cracking performances in Super Rugby this year. Even if they lack the physically of my top 6.

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      @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

      If everyone's fit I'd pick the following in the back row squad:

      Sam Cane, Cullen Grace, Akira Ioane, Dalton Papali'i, Ardie Savea, Hoskins Sotutu

      Ethan Blackadder, Shannon Frizell, Luke Jacobson and Tom Robinson have all had some cracking performances in Super Rugby this year. Even if they lack the physically of my top 6.

      Too many 7s, or too many 8s, and if you are planning on playing Grace at 6, there is no way that Cullen Grace should be picked ahead of Blackadder.

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        Rolling over from the highlanders game thread

        What’s everyone’s else’s thoughts on nareki for the abs?

        If I try and be as unbiased as possible, I’d be worried he’s too much of a one man band, big fish small pond at the highlanders/Otago but would be fit in with an all blacks game plan, I’d like to see him try

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        • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

          Rolling over from the highlanders game thread

          What’s everyone’s else’s thoughts on nareki for the abs?

          If I try and be as unbiased as possible, I’d be worried he’s too much of a one man band, big fish small pond at the highlanders/Otago but would be fit in with an all blacks game plan, I’d like to see him try

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          #632

          @kiwiwomble Nareki is the form left wing in the country and should be picked.

          He has a huge left boot and has underrated power to go with his footwork - what I liked today was his cleanup work - he looked good when things were going the Rebels way.

          Leicester will be in the mix too but there could be room for both.

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          • gt12G gt12

            @sparky said in All Blacks 2021:

            If everyone's fit I'd pick the following in the back row squad:

            Sam Cane, Cullen Grace, Akira Ioane, Dalton Papali'i, Ardie Savea, Hoskins Sotutu

            Ethan Blackadder, Shannon Frizell, Luke Jacobson and Tom Robinson have all had some cracking performances in Super Rugby this year. Even if they lack the physically of my top 6.

            Too many 7s, or too many 8s, and if you are planning on playing Grace at 6, there is no way that Cullen Grace should be picked ahead of Blackadder.

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            #633

            @gt12 Akira Ioane is the first choice 6. Sam Cane, Cullen Grace, Dalton Papali'i and Ardie Savea can all play there too.

            Think Ethan Blackadder might get the nod in the forthcoming squad with Sam Cane out.

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              First Five easy. Richie Mo'unga, Beauden Barrett and Dmac should all be in the AB squad.

              Who is the 4th choice 10 is an interesting call. I'd give Mitch Hunt the nod ahead of Otere Black. Like what I've seen so far from young Reuban Love at 10 but clearly another who needs more Rugby under his belt before he should be considered for international honours.

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                Midfield. Havili, ALB, Reiko Ioane (as a 13 but not a 12), then I'd go with Nankivell or Peter Umaga-Jensen. Hopefully room for both in a big squad.

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                  Back three.

                  Jona Nareki and Leicester Fainga'anuku to cover left wing

                  Will Jordan and Sevu Reece to cover right wing

                  Jordie Barrett the best all round fullback, but BB, DMac and Will Jordan are strong backup.

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                    #637

                    I think it's good to first establish how many players are likely to be picked in each position.
                    Because the first squad to be picked is for the July Internationals, it's probably best to look at the first squad named in 2018 as an example (no RWC, no Covid).

                    2018 squad:
                    33 players (and 1 "apprentice")
                    17 forwards, 16 backs
                    2 hookers
                    5 props (2 LH, 2 TH, 1 covering both)
                    3 locks
                    7 loosies (1 openside, 1 openside/8, 1 lock/loosie, the rest 6/8 or 8/6)
                    3 halfbacks
                    3 first five-eights
                    5 midfielders
                    5 outside backs

                    Considering the financial constraints, it's hard to see them picking a bigger squad.

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                    • StargazerS Stargazer

                      I think it's good to first establish how many players are likely to be picked in each position.
                      Because the first squad to be picked is for the July Internationals, it's probably best to look at the first squad named in 2018 as an example (no RWC, no Covid).

                      2018 squad:
                      33 players (and 1 "apprentice")
                      17 forwards, 16 backs
                      2 hookers
                      5 props (2 LH, 2 TH, 1 covering both)
                      3 locks
                      7 loosies (1 openside, 1 openside/8, 1 lock/loosie, the rest 6/8 or 8/6)
                      3 halfbacks
                      3 first five-eights
                      5 midfielders
                      5 outside backs

                      Considering the financial constraints, it's hard to see them picking a bigger squad.

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                      @stargazer there no reason to pick a bigger squad, but maybe extra apprentices. For training needs, getting an eye on them. But the rest games in NZ, there's a lot of flexibility to be had. Even resting players like mo'unga, who've played too many minutes for their franchise.

                      Not saying they'll do that, but the opportunity for a change and flexibility is there

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                      • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                        Rolling over from the highlanders game thread

                        What’s everyone’s else’s thoughts on nareki for the abs?

                        If I try and be as unbiased as possible, I’d be worried he’s too much of a one man band, big fish small pond at the highlanders/Otago but would be fit in with an all blacks game plan, I’d like to see him try

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                        @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:

                        Rolling over from the highlanders game thread

                        What’s everyone’s else’s thoughts on nareki for the abs?

                        If I try and be as unbiased as possible, I’d be worried he’s too much of a one man band, big fish small pond at the highlanders/Otago but would be fit in with an all blacks game plan, I’d like to see him try

                        Just came on here to post that question.

                        Am 57 mins in.

                        Been impressed with him all season.

                        Composure. Boot. Speed . X factor.

                        This year's Will Jordan.

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                        • StargazerS Stargazer

                          I think it's good to first establish how many players are likely to be picked in each position.
                          Because the first squad to be picked is for the July Internationals, it's probably best to look at the first squad named in 2018 as an example (no RWC, no Covid).

                          2018 squad:
                          33 players (and 1 "apprentice")
                          17 forwards, 16 backs
                          2 hookers
                          5 props (2 LH, 2 TH, 1 covering both)
                          3 locks
                          7 loosies (1 openside, 1 openside/8, 1 lock/loosie, the rest 6/8 or 8/6)
                          3 halfbacks
                          3 first five-eights
                          5 midfielders
                          5 outside backs

                          Considering the financial constraints, it's hard to see them picking a bigger squad.

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                          #640

                          @stargazer Maybe 4 midfielders and 4 outside backs this year?

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                          • TimT Tim

                            @stargazer Maybe 4 midfielders and 4 outside backs this year?

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                            Tim
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                            #641

                            @tim said in All Blacks 2021:

                            @stargazer Maybe 4 midfielders and 4 outside backs this year?

                            3 halfbacks

                            Smith
                            ?
                            ?

                            3 first five-eights

                            Mo'unga
                            Barrett
                            DMac

                            4 midfielders

                            ALB
                            Havili
                            Ioane
                            Fainga'anuku

                            4 outside backs

                            Reece
                            Barrett
                            Jordan
                            Rayasi

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                              #642

                              That leaves 5 props, 3 hookers, 4 locks, and 7 loose forwards.

                              Loose Forwards

                              Savea, Papalii, Jacobson, Ioane, Sotutu, Robinson, Crusader

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                                #643

                                Karl Tu'inukuafe
                                Aidan Ross
                                Alex Hodgman
                                Nepo Laulala
                                Ofa Tu'ungafasi

                                Codie Taylor
                                Dane Coles
                                Asafo Aumua

                                Sam Whitelock
                                Brodie Retallick
                                Patrick Tuipulotu
                                Scott Barrett

                                Savea
                                Papalii
                                Jacobson
                                Ioane
                                Sotutu
                                Robinson
                                Crusader

                                Smith
                                Weber
                                Bolter

                                Mo'unga
                                Barrett
                                DMac

                                ALB
                                Havili
                                Ioane
                                Fainga'anuku

                                Reece
                                Barrett
                                Jordan
                                Rayasi

                                11 Blues
                                9 Crusaders
                                6 Chiefs
                                5 Hurricanes
                                1 Highlander
                                1 to be determined

                                Unavailable:

                                Moody, Cane, Perenara, Goodhue, Clarke, Bridge.

                                nb. Only one player from the 2021 Blues backline has been selected.

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                                  bobily2
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                                  #644

                                  The Maori All Black squad would be a much more logical place for Tamaiti Williams and Ruben Love than an AB training squad. No need to rush them in (particularly Love - who hasn't really shown much of anything at this point).

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                                    The Maori All Black squad would be a much more logical place for Tamaiti Williams and Ruben Love than an AB training squad. No need to rush them in (particularly Love - who hasn't really shown much of anything at this point).

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                                    Tim
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                                    @bobily2 Love isn't getting near any squad.

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                                    • TimT Tim

                                      @bobily2 Love isn't getting near any squad.

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                                      @tim NZ U20s

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                                      • StargazerS Stargazer

                                        @tim NZ U20s

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                                        @stargazer yeah certainly no need to rush Love, he's still far too young. Let him play Under 20s if they end up scheduling games against Australia, or if not let him focus on an NPC campaign with Wellington.

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                                        • TimT Tim

                                          Karl Tu'inukuafe
                                          Aidan Ross
                                          Alex Hodgman
                                          Nepo Laulala
                                          Ofa Tu'ungafasi

                                          Codie Taylor
                                          Dane Coles
                                          Asafo Aumua

                                          Sam Whitelock
                                          Brodie Retallick
                                          Patrick Tuipulotu
                                          Scott Barrett

                                          Savea
                                          Papalii
                                          Jacobson
                                          Ioane
                                          Sotutu
                                          Robinson
                                          Crusader

                                          Smith
                                          Weber
                                          Bolter

                                          Mo'unga
                                          Barrett
                                          DMac

                                          ALB
                                          Havili
                                          Ioane
                                          Fainga'anuku

                                          Reece
                                          Barrett
                                          Jordan
                                          Rayasi

                                          11 Blues
                                          9 Crusaders
                                          6 Chiefs
                                          5 Hurricanes
                                          1 Highlander
                                          1 to be determined

                                          Unavailable:

                                          Moody, Cane, Perenara, Goodhue, Clarke, Bridge.

                                          nb. Only one player from the 2021 Blues backline has been selected.

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                                          #648

                                          @tim said in All Blacks 2021:

                                          11 Blues

                                          What planet are we living on.... I see room for one or two tokens

                                          😎

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