All Blacks 2021
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Ennor.... seriously can anyone explain what he brings to the table? Hasn't he only even played one game?
Hunt, struggles with consistency at super level, I'd be very worried about him at test level.
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I wonder whether the likes of Codie Taylor, Sam Whitelock and Aaron Smith really need to be involved in the forthcoming Tonga and Fiji tests. All have played big minutes in Super Rugby this year. I'd rather give them some recuperation time so that they are good to go for the Rugby Championship and the October/November tests in Europe.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2021:
I wonder whether the likes of Codie Taylor, Sam Whitelock and Aaron Smith really need to be involved in the forthcoming Tonga and Fiji tests. All have played big minutes in Super Rugby this year. I'd rather give them some recuperation time so that they are good to go for the Rugby Championship and the October/November tests in Europe.
Yeah I agree. This is the perfect time to blood young talent.
And it may make the games slightly fairer...
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I like ennor (not claiming he should be an AB yet), sometimes i wonder if he suffers from being the crusaders, he might stand out a bit more in one of the other teams
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@gt12 haha yeah I played with and was coached by his dad, Fritz and Salesi were down running around at most 7s trainings in the summer, fair to say they lived rugby!
@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 haha yeah I played with and was coached by his dad, Fritz and Salesi were down running around at most 7s trainings in the summer, fair to say they lived rugby!
I remember he turned out for Scotland in a bowl final at a 7s tournament many years ago after Fiji had been eliminated. What the fuck was up with the rules in those days ?
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@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 haha yeah I played with and was coached by his dad, Fritz and Salesi were down running around at most 7s trainings in the summer, fair to say they lived rugby!
I remember he turned out for Scotland in a bowl final at a 7s tournament many years ago after Fiji had been eliminated. What the fuck was up with the rules in those days ?
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@mn5 There is a South American somewhere with a sevens world championship medal won with NZ. Uruguayan I think.
@mikedogz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 There is a South American somewhere with a sevens world championship medal won with NZ. Uruguayan I think.
And Scott (can’t remember surname) ex NZ 7s coach debuted for a team other than NZ in welly, back in the day. No one cared as long as you got a team together!
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@mikedogz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 There is a South American somewhere with a sevens world championship medal won with NZ. Uruguayan I think.
And Scott (can’t remember surname) ex NZ 7s coach debuted for a team other than NZ in welly, back in the day. No one cared as long as you got a team together!
@machpants Scott Waldrom?
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@mn5 There is a South American somewhere with a sevens world championship medal won with NZ. Uruguayan I think.
@mikedogz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 There is a South American somewhere with a sevens world championship medal won with NZ. Uruguayan I think.
The year we had Cullen and Lomu in the same team at the HK Sevens that there was this bizarre rule that you could select one player from a losing quarterfinalist side.
We chose Stephen Brink of South Africa, and there he was sitting on the bench wearing a black jersey.The Uruguayan's name is Benjamin Bono.
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@bones Yeah never been on the Ennor bandwagon myself. Think a few solid domestic seasons is what he needs.
@african-monkey said in All Blacks 2021:
@bones Yeah never been on the Ennor bandwagon myself. Think a few solid domestic seasons is what he needs.
Depending on what they are looking for from the 4th midfielder, he could make it as they know him. So, assuming ALB, Havili, and Roane are locked in, do they want another ‘true’ midfielder (PUJ) or another center 3/4 (Ennor). With Ioane there I’m not sure there is the space for Ennor. I think he competes with Ioane for that spot and right now could use more time at NPC to get some more game time.
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I like ennor (not claiming he should be an AB yet), sometimes i wonder if he suffers from being the crusaders, he might stand out a bit more in one of the other teams
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
I like ennor (not claiming he should be an AB yet), sometimes i wonder if he suffers from being the crusaders, he might stand out a bit more in one of the other teams
I reckon it's the opposite. He's a good player but there is an assumption that if the Crusaders selected him then he must be really good. Plus the fact tat it is easier to shine in a good team.
I don't see him offering anything head and shoulders above others.
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
I like ennor (not claiming he should be an AB yet), sometimes i wonder if he suffers from being the crusaders, he might stand out a bit more in one of the other teams
I reckon it's the opposite. He's a good player but there is an assumption that if the Crusaders selected him then he must be really good. Plus the fact tat it is easier to shine in a good team.
I don't see him offering anything head and shoulders above others.
He's like ALB when ALB is playing averagely.@crucial yeah, could be that too, would like to see him for someone else to see
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If only there were heaps of top quality Fijians playing in a local professional competition they could select. Instead of traversing the globe during a pandemic.
Oh, wait, there are 11 born and bred Fijians already playing Super Rugby TT.
Oh, double wait. They've been central-contracterised.
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Although 8 of the 11 are wingers, so couldn't form a good team out of them, still.
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If only there were heaps of top quality Fijians playing in a local professional competition they could select. Instead of traversing the globe during a pandemic.
Oh, wait, there are 11 born and bred Fijians already playing Super Rugby TT.
Oh, double wait. They've been central-contracterised.
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Although 8 of the 11 are wingers, so couldn't form a good team out of them, still.
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@rapido What? If Fiji want to pick them and they haven't been capped elsewhere, they'll play. But the real good ones go to Eu for the moolah
@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido What? If Fiji want to pick them and they haven't been capped elsewhere, they'll play. But the real good ones go to Eu for the moolah
No, plenty of them won't.
They'll be absolutely schtum on national availability, and no 'nice' NZ journalist would ask them.To their bosses they'll either genuinely or pretendingly say they maybe wanna want to play for NZ or Aus so that they stay inside the NZ and Aus central contracting system.
So, we complain about NH clubs not releasing players while ignoring that NZ & Aus franchises remove release from the equation before it has had much of a chance to germinate.
Lots of PI players going through the NZ and Aus systems spend 4 or 5 years of the prime of their careers pretending they don't want to play for a PI nation, then do as soon as they leave to Europe, where occasionally their clubs make it difficult for them, and we complain. But, we are a funnel, the Welcome Bay roundabout of PI rugby.
Same discussion from a week or 2 ago, in fact, probably exact same thread.
See, you fluffybunnies don't read my posts ....
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@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@rapido What? If Fiji want to pick them and they haven't been capped elsewhere, they'll play. But the real good ones go to Eu for the moolah
No, plenty of them won't.
They'll be absolutely schtum on national availability, and no 'nice' NZ journalist would ask them.To their bosses they'll either genuinely or pretendingly say they maybe wanna want to play for NZ or Aus so that they stay inside the NZ and Aus central contracting system.
So, we complain about NH clubs not releasing players while ignoring that NZ & Aus franchises remove release from the equation before it has had much of a chance to germinate.
Lots of PI players going through the NZ and Aus systems spend 4 or 5 years of the prime of their careers pretending they don't want to play for a PI nation, then do as soon as they leave to Europe, where occasionally their clubs make it difficult for them, and we complain. But, we are a funnel, the Welcome Bay roundabout of PI rugby.
Same discussion from a week or 2 ago, in fact, probably exact same thread.
See, you fluffybunnies don't read my posts ....
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I like ennor (not claiming he should be an AB yet), sometimes i wonder if he suffers from being the crusaders, he might stand out a bit more in one of the other teams
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
I like ennor (not claiming he should be an AB yet), sometimes i wonder if he suffers from being the crusaders, he might stand out a bit more in one of the other teams
He's already an AB! He was an excellent winger a couple of seasons ago, who could adequately cover centre. Crusaders had an excellent centre and an abundance of pretty good wingers, so they decided to fuck everyone over and moved him to centre, immediately making both him and Goodhue average players. Now they're doing the same to Faingaanuku, it's bizarre.
I'd love to see him on the wing again, but there are so many players ahead of him at centre. He's about on a par with Collins for me.
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@mikedogz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 There is a South American somewhere with a sevens world championship medal won with NZ. Uruguayan I think.
And Scott (can’t remember surname) ex NZ 7s coach debuted for a team other than NZ in welly, back in the day. No one cared as long as you got a team together!
@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@mikedogz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 There is a South American somewhere with a sevens world championship medal won with NZ. Uruguayan I think.
And Scott (can’t remember surname) ex NZ 7s coach debuted for a team other than NZ in welly, back in the day. No one cared as long as you got a team together!
Sevens tournament rules were pretty cool I thought. If your team had been knocked out, other teams could pick you up as injury replacement.
So they started doing player pools instead, I was on standby one year but no luck. One of my mates played for China in that one I think.
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
I like ennor (not claiming he should be an AB yet), sometimes i wonder if he suffers from being the crusaders, he might stand out a bit more in one of the other teams
He's already an AB! He was an excellent winger a couple of seasons ago, who could adequately cover centre. Crusaders had an excellent centre and an abundance of pretty good wingers, so they decided to fuck everyone over and moved him to centre, immediately making both him and Goodhue average players. Now they're doing the same to Faingaanuku, it's bizarre.
I'd love to see him on the wing again, but there are so many players ahead of him at centre. He's about on a par with Collins for me.
@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
I like ennor (not claiming he should be an AB yet), sometimes i wonder if he suffers from being the crusaders, he might stand out a bit more in one of the other teams
He's already an AB!
oh shit, i forgot about that
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@mikedogz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 There is a South American somewhere with a sevens world championship medal won with NZ. Uruguayan I think.
The year we had Cullen and Lomu in the same team at the HK Sevens that there was this bizarre rule that you could select one player from a losing quarterfinalist side.
We chose Stephen Brink of South Africa, and there he was sitting on the bench wearing a black jersey.The Uruguayan's name is Benjamin Bono.
https://www.world.rugby/sevens-series/news/348905?lang=fr@frank said in All Blacks 2021:
@mikedogz said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 There is a South American somewhere with a sevens world championship medal won with NZ. Uruguayan I think.
The year we had Cullen and Lomu in the same team at the HK Sevens that there was this bizarre rule that you could select one player from a losing quarterfinalist side.
We chose Stephen Brink of South Africa, and there he was sitting on the bench wearing a black jersey.The Uruguayan's name is Benjamin Bono.
https://www.world.rugby/sevens-series/news/348905?lang=frIt was only for injuries though wasn't it. And you could pick from a pool of local players if you got shot too. IIRC this was still happening in the earlier years of the 7s circuit.
