2021 Wallabies
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@machpants said in 2021 Wallabies:
It'd be good to see such innovations/targeted tactics that work from our stale coaching set up...
https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/10/20/how-dave-rennies-wallabies-are-pushing-the-limits-in-contact/
Good article but Rennie's 'innovations' only last as long as a complaint from a whinging team to WR (eg England after the Italy game.
It is quite obvious that the tactic of players in front of the ball at the ruck then moving forward and creating a split in the defence is only working because refs aren't looking for it. Those players are offside when the halfback plays the ball and should not move forward until placed onside.
The other good coaching at the breakdown shown is good coaching.
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@crucial said in 2021 Wallabies:
@machpants said in 2021 Wallabies:
It'd be good to see such innovations/targeted tactics that work from our stale coaching set up...
https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/10/20/how-dave-rennies-wallabies-are-pushing-the-limits-in-contact/
Good article but Rennie's 'innovations' only last as long as a complaint from a whinging team to WR (eg England after the Italy game.
It is quite obvious that the tactic of players in front of the ball at the ruck then moving forward and creating a split in the defence is only working because refs aren't looking for it. Those players are offside when the halfback plays the ball and should not move forward until placed onside.
The other good coaching at the breakdown shown is good coaching.
Totally ‘pushing the boundaries’ that’s how you win, it’s smart. If they got caught doing it and how the players react, maybe we’ll never know, then we see how smart the players are!
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@machpants said in 2021 Wallabies:
@crucial said in 2021 Wallabies:
@machpants said in 2021 Wallabies:
It'd be good to see such innovations/targeted tactics that work from our stale coaching set up...
https://www.theroar.com.au/2021/10/20/how-dave-rennies-wallabies-are-pushing-the-limits-in-contact/
Good article but Rennie's 'innovations' only last as long as a complaint from a whinging team to WR (eg England after the Italy game.
It is quite obvious that the tactic of players in front of the ball at the ruck then moving forward and creating a split in the defence is only working because refs aren't looking for it. Those players are offside when the halfback plays the ball and should not move forward until placed onside.
The other good coaching at the breakdown shown is good coaching.
Totally ‘pushing the boundaries’ that’s how you win, it’s smart. If they got caught doing it and how the players react, maybe we’ll never know, then we see how smart the players are!
The trick is to start these boundary pushes closer to a RWC so the refs dont get instructions to stamp on it or law clarifications can't be put in place. That's the type of thing Eddie does.
Look at how long he got away with working outside 'the spirit of the game' with Itoje and co yelling and screaming over lineout calls. Only took a directive and refs to tell a few players to shut up and it went away.I agree with the article by the way. Rennie does focus on the breakdown as a place to build a good game. Something we could learn from at times.
EDIT: BTW the Saffas learned from Rennie's ploy of breakdown players in front of the halfback not being noticed by the refs. In the first test against us they used it to get a head start on the kick chase to get numbers into the landing zone.
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@crucial said in 2021 Wallabies:
The trick is to start these boundary pushes closer to a RWC so the refs dont get instructions to stamp on it or law clarifications can't be put in place. That's the type of thing Eddie does.
On the other hand if it is very close, you might get a snap decision that fucks up the whole event e.g. red cards for lifting tackles in 2011 weren't necessarily bad, but they were a shock to the system.
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@crucial That tactic would be an incredibly hard thing to referee effectively though. It's one thing to identify the tactic, it's another to work out when it is being put in use. A refs eyeline will follow the ball from the ruck, looking at the offside line, high tackles etc. If there is an inside ball or a runner around the ruck it would be difficult to determine what is obstruction and what is just general play.
It's similar to the tactic used by many teams (especially the ABs) using a line of forward blockers in front of the backline.
It's relatively easy to police via video but almost impossible in real time. Take the Izack Rodda cleanout used in that example - if Banks had cut through and scored it may have been brought back by the TMO. But I could never see a ref pinging that. The only times they do is when it is especially obvious, taking players 2-3m beyond the ruck.
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@barbarian said in 2021 Wallabies:
@crucial That tactic would be an incredibly hard thing to referee effectively though. It's one thing to identify the tactic, it's another to work out when it is being put in use. A refs eyeline will follow the ball from the ruck, looking at the offside line, high tackles etc. If there is an inside ball or a runner around the ruck it would be difficult to determine what is obstruction and what is just general play.
It's similar to the tactic used by many teams (especially the ABs) using a line of forward blockers in front of the backline.
It's relatively easy to police via video but almost impossible in real time. Take the Izack Rodda cleanout used in that example - if Banks had cut through and scored it may have been brought back by the TMO. But I could never see a ref pinging that. The only times they do is when it is especially obvious, taking players 2-3m beyond the ruck.
I'm only suggesting that it gets viewed the same way the players advancing ahead of the kick is.
We know that 'dummy runners' only get pulled back if they obviously interfere with play but at least they start from an onside position. These guys are moving forward ahead of the ball being played and should be easy-ish for the AR watching the ruck offside to call. -
Kerevi, McMahon out as Wallabies eye Beale
Kurtley Beale has been sounded out for a Wallabies return as coach Dave Rennie grapples with the late Spring Tour withdrawal of Samu Kerevi, Sean McMahon and possibly Quade Cooper.
Japan-based centre Kerevi and backrower McMahon were both selected for Tests against Scotland, England and Wales next month after the loosening of Rugby Australia's eligibility rules allowed them to return for the Rugby Championship.
But on Tuesday Rennie confirmed the "nervous" pair would instead honour their Suntory club's wishes and remain in Japan ahead of a January kick-off with the Top League powerhouse.
Cooper too remains in Japan and Rennie will speak with his Kintetsu Liners club on Wednesday in the hope of gaining access to the five-eighth.With Reece Hodge joining fellow fullback Tom Banks on the long-term injury list, the Wallabies backline stocks are thin.
Rennie said he'd spoken with France-based Beale, who played the last of 92 Tests for the Wallabies in 2019, on Monday about joining the squad as one of potentially several overseas-based reinforcements.
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I liked watching Kurtley Beale, are they thinking of 15, 10 or 12 for him? He's 32 now though, how is his speed and form?
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@nostrildamus if KB (as much as i love him) makes it into the side we are pretty much screwed.
Actually, without Kerevi or Quade we are screwed. RIP tour. I say send a semi-professional development side to Europe. Fuck 'em.
And veto any attempt for Japan to join the RC until their clubs follow Reg 9.
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@derpus said in 2021 Wallabies:
@nostrildamus if KB (as much as i love him) makes it into the side we are pretty much screwed.
Actually, without Kerevi or Quade we are screwed. RIP tour. I say send a semi-professional development side to Europe. Fuck 'em.
Urgh, jesus mate. Why do you do this to yourself? Always doom and gloom.
Sure, we've lost a few inside backs but on the other hand we're getting to see Latu, Skelton and Arnold.
JOC will be a fine enough cover at 10 and Paisami will be better for the run at 12. They will do a good job.
I can't see any reason why we can't aim for 2/3 wins.
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@barbarian Quade and Kerevi were huge parts of the massive improvement last month
but there was definite development everywhere and this should be a pretty exciting tour for Wallaby fans
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@barbarian said in 2021 Wallabies:
Sure, we've lost a few inside backs but on the other hand we're getting to see Latu, Skelton and Arnold.
No downside. If you win, it's a bonus - if not ... /shrugs
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@barbarian said in 2021 Wallabies:
JOC will be a fine enough cover at 10
With Hodge and Quade goneskis, we've got no bench cover at 10. Sure it is only 3 matches and you'd hope JOC is up for ~240 minutes of footy, one wrong tackle or step, and we're looking pretty thin.
It maybe comes down to what the French do occasionally: send a scrum half out to the 10 channel and play a distribution game late in the piece. Could work out with the pace on White or McDermott, and Gordon is no midget.
At this point we've won 50% of our Tests this year, so I'm happy either way. The improvement is there across the park as @mariner4life points out.
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@kiwimurph said in 2021 Wallabies:
@bovidae I'm not so sure - I think Rennie is really keen to have Lolesio and some other young guys (Harry Wilson) take a break and take the EOYT off.
Agreed - the need for those guys to be at their provinces, getting the work done in a home environment, and building combinations, is important for SR Pacific.
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Gotta say tho: Scotland loom large as setting the tone for the tour, and they're a canny lot under Townsend. That will be a good test for JOC who hasn't looked at his best in the few minutes he's been given.
We need to really stomp the opposition up front - not just parity - if we're going to do this. White and McDermott just got more important.
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@nta said in 2021 Wallabies:
Gotta say tho: Scotland loom large as setting the tone for the tour, and they're a canny lot under Townsend. That will be a good test for JOC who hasn't looked at his best in the few minutes he's been given.
We need to really stomp the opposition up front - not just parity - if we're going to do this. White and McDermott just got more important.
I think JOC will be ok and you should win comfortably in the end.
Scotland only seem to beat Australia when I land in Scotland the same day, and I'm not flying for some weeks, so you should be fine.
