European Club Rugby
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This is going to be very "the game's gone soft" but i fail to see how that is anything but an excellent covering tackle, a lost ball, and an unfortunate injury (I'll leave Parra out of it). The whole thing happens at full pace. The guy going for the line correctly gets his body height low and leads with the head. Toeava grabs him by the shoulder and the waist (the guy is basically bent at 90 degrees, he actually doesn't have much choice at that speed). At no time can i see evidence he even touches the head or neck.
The tackle goes to ground, and momentum rolls them over, made to look worse because the guys legs end up under Toeava.
The guy drops the ball, and something hurts him. This happens, it's rugby. But i can't really see what Toeava could have done differently. And that is my main argument.
He hits him in the head or even the neck? No problem. But he didn't, so why any censure at all?
@mariner4life same.
My first thought was "that's why they taught us 10 year olds not to duck into a tackle with ball in hand"
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@mariner4life same.
My first thought was "that's why they taught us 10 year olds not to duck into a tackle with ball in hand"
@siam said in NH club rugby:
@mariner4life same.
My first thought was "that's why they taught us 10 year olds not to duck into a tackle with ball in hand"
Ok Martin Lang
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@mariner4life same.
My first thought was "that's why they taught us 10 year olds not to duck into a tackle with ball in hand"
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Joe Marler losing the plot and getting a RC:
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Joe Marler losing the plot and getting a RC:
https://streamable.com/j1acc@antipodean Here you go Joe, have a rest while all your mates are playing in the 6N.
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https://twitter.com/thebridge1859/status/949771533131632640
Leinster are very enjoyable to watch this season. Their winger Dave Kearney certainly thinks so anyway.
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They did nicely yesterday. Lealiifano and Piutau had one of their more forgettable days.
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Joe Marler losing the plot and getting a RC:
https://streamable.com/j1acc@antipodean funny to see Ioane react at first as though looking to fire back then his face changing when he sees the size of the lump that just whacked him.
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He needs to chat to Vunipola about how to get away with off the ball stuff like that
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https://twitter.com/thebridge1859/status/949771533131632640
Leinster are very enjoyable to watch this season. Their winger Dave Kearney certainly thinks so anyway.
@billy-tell said in NH club rugby:
https://twitter.com/thebridge1859/status/949771533131632640
Leinster are very enjoyable to watch this season. Their winger Dave Kearney certainly thinks so anyway.
Whilst I like watching rugby it doesn't quite do that for me.
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Not confirmed (yet): Beaver to Ulster
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Not confirmed (yet): Beaver to Ulster
@stargazer said in NH club rugby:
Not confirmed (yet): Beaver to Ulster
Yep it’s been on the rumor list for a while. Hopefully he can bring on Johnny McPhillips in the role.
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Six-week ban for Marler, two for Ioane
Harlequins prop Joe Marler has been suspended for a period of six weeks, meaning he will miss England’s first two Six Nations matches. Marler appeared before an independent disciplinary panel this evening after receiving a red card from referee Matt Carley against Sale. He was sent off in the 58th minute for striking with the shoulder and making contact with Sale Sharks’ TJ Ioane, contrary to law 9.12. Marler pleaded guilty to the charge. He is available to play again on Tuesday, February 20, which means he misses the Italy and Wales fixtures. The chairman of the panel Philip Evans QC said: “The panel found that contact was made with the head of TJ Ioane and as a result the mandatory entry point is mid-range. “The panel considered that the player’s previous record was such that it required an additional period of suspension of one week, however because of his plea, his conduct since the incident took place and other personal mitigation, the panel allowed some reduction.” Meanwhile, Sale’s Ioane was cited by independent citing commissioner Shaun Gallagher for striking Harlequins’ Marler with the arm, contrary to law 9.12. The incident occurred in the 53rd minute and he consented to the matter being dealt with on papers and pleaded guilty to the charge. He has been suspended for a period of two weeks and is available to play again on January 23. -
Six-week ban for Marler, two for Ioane
Harlequins prop Joe Marler has been suspended for a period of six weeks, meaning he will miss England’s first two Six Nations matches. Marler appeared before an independent disciplinary panel this evening after receiving a red card from referee Matt Carley against Sale. He was sent off in the 58th minute for striking with the shoulder and making contact with Sale Sharks’ TJ Ioane, contrary to law 9.12. Marler pleaded guilty to the charge. He is available to play again on Tuesday, February 20, which means he misses the Italy and Wales fixtures. The chairman of the panel Philip Evans QC said: “The panel found that contact was made with the head of TJ Ioane and as a result the mandatory entry point is mid-range. “The panel considered that the player’s previous record was such that it required an additional period of suspension of one week, however because of his plea, his conduct since the incident took place and other personal mitigation, the panel allowed some reduction.” Meanwhile, Sale’s Ioane was cited by independent citing commissioner Shaun Gallagher for striking Harlequins’ Marler with the arm, contrary to law 9.12. The incident occurred in the 53rd minute and he consented to the matter being dealt with on papers and pleaded guilty to the charge. He has been suspended for a period of two weeks and is available to play again on January 23.@stargazer Deserved for Marler. No sympathy.
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@stargazer said in NH club rugby:
“The panel considered that the player’s previous record was such that it required an additional period of suspension of one week, however because of his plea, his conduct since the incident took place and other personal mitigation, the panel allowed some reduction.”
This is the bullshit that needs to be removed from the disciplinary process.
We get black and white decisions on the field. Refs are instructed that contact with the head MUST be dealt with in a certain manner then the lawyers get involved and the greyest shades of grey descend over things.
'Other personal mitigation'? Bet his lawyer argued that by being an inherent fuck-knuckle his on field behaviour was simply normal for him and that should be taken into account.
When was the Ioane v Marler incident? Are the judiciary condoning retaliation in reducing Marler's sentence?
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@stargazer said in NH club rugby:
“The panel considered that the player’s previous record was such that it required an additional period of suspension of one week, however because of his plea, his conduct since the incident took place and other personal mitigation, the panel allowed some reduction.”
This is the bullshit that needs to be removed from the disciplinary process.
We get black and white decisions on the field. Refs are instructed that contact with the head MUST be dealt with in a certain manner then the lawyers get involved and the greyest shades of grey descend over things.
'Other personal mitigation'? Bet his lawyer argued that by being an inherent fuck-knuckle his on field behaviour was simply normal for him and that should be taken into account.
When was the Ioane v Marler incident? Are the judiciary condoning retaliation in reducing Marler's sentence?
@crucial said in NH club rugby:
@stargazer said in NH club rugby:
“The panel considered that the player’s previous record was such that it required an additional period of suspension of one week, however because of his plea, his conduct since the incident took place and other personal mitigation, the panel allowed some reduction.”
This is the bullshit that needs to be removed from the disciplinary process.
We get black and white decisions on the field. Refs are instructed that contact with the head MUST be dealt with in a certain manner then the lawyers get involved and the greyest shades of grey descend over things.
'Other personal mitigation'? Bet his lawyer argued that by being an inherent fuck-knuckle his on field behaviour was simply normal for him and that should be taken into account.
When was the Ioane v Marler incident? Are the judiciary condoning retaliation in reducing Marler's sentence?
Totally agree. And if they're going to take into account "other personal mitigation", they should at least give details of what that entails (assuming Planet Rugby has included the full text of the decision).
See text, Ioane v Marler incident was in 53rd minute; Marler v Ioane incident in 58th minute. Seems close enough to suspect retaliation.
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@crucial said in NH club rugby:
@stargazer said in NH club rugby:
“The panel considered that the player’s previous record was such that it required an additional period of suspension of one week, however because of his plea, his conduct since the incident took place and other personal mitigation, the panel allowed some reduction.”
This is the bullshit that needs to be removed from the disciplinary process.
We get black and white decisions on the field. Refs are instructed that contact with the head MUST be dealt with in a certain manner then the lawyers get involved and the greyest shades of grey descend over things.
'Other personal mitigation'? Bet his lawyer argued that by being an inherent fuck-knuckle his on field behaviour was simply normal for him and that should be taken into account.
When was the Ioane v Marler incident? Are the judiciary condoning retaliation in reducing Marler's sentence?
Totally agree. And if they're going to take into account "other personal mitigation", they should at least give details of what that entails (assuming Planet Rugby has included the full text of the decision).
See text, Ioane v Marler incident was in 53rd minute; Marler v Ioane incident in 58th minute. Seems close enough to suspect retaliation.
@stargazer said in NH club rugby:
@crucial said in NH club rugby:
@stargazer said in NH club rugby:
“The panel considered that the player’s previous record was such that it required an additional period of suspension of one week, however because of his plea, his conduct since the incident took place and other personal mitigation, the panel allowed some reduction.”
This is the bullshit that needs to be removed from the disciplinary process.
We get black and white decisions on the field. Refs are instructed that contact with the head MUST be dealt with in a certain manner then the lawyers get involved and the greyest shades of grey descend over things.
'Other personal mitigation'? Bet his lawyer argued that by being an inherent fuck-knuckle his on field behaviour was simply normal for him and that should be taken into account.
When was the Ioane v Marler incident? Are the judiciary condoning retaliation in reducing Marler's sentence?
Totally agree. And if they're going to take into account "other personal mitigation", they should at least give details of what that entails (assuming Planet Rugby has included the full text of the decision).
See text, Ioane v Marler incident was in 53rd minute; Marler v Ioane incident in 58th minute. Seems close enough to suspect retaliation.
If that's the case he should have got more time off, not less.
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@stargazer said in NH club rugby:
@crucial said in NH club rugby:
@stargazer said in NH club rugby:
“The panel considered that the player’s previous record was such that it required an additional period of suspension of one week, however because of his plea, his conduct since the incident took place and other personal mitigation, the panel allowed some reduction.”
This is the bullshit that needs to be removed from the disciplinary process.
We get black and white decisions on the field. Refs are instructed that contact with the head MUST be dealt with in a certain manner then the lawyers get involved and the greyest shades of grey descend over things.
'Other personal mitigation'? Bet his lawyer argued that by being an inherent fuck-knuckle his on field behaviour was simply normal for him and that should be taken into account.
When was the Ioane v Marler incident? Are the judiciary condoning retaliation in reducing Marler's sentence?
Totally agree. And if they're going to take into account "other personal mitigation", they should at least give details of what that entails (assuming Planet Rugby has included the full text of the decision).
See text, Ioane v Marler incident was in 53rd minute; Marler v Ioane incident in 58th minute. Seems close enough to suspect retaliation.
If that's the case he should have got more time off, not less.
If they want to stamp out thuggery they need to make it clear that they don't condone illegal retaliation.@crucial was thinking the same thing, if he has gone hunting for him to avenge being twatted earlier that deserves harsher punishment.
I always tell the boys I coach you get even by smashing someone legally, has a far better impact on things than being a dirty Cnut.
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What's your verdict? Toeava gets yellow for a high tackle (no penalty try awarded), but has now been cited, so the Citing Commissioner thinks it meets the red card threshold. By the way, there were 8 yellow cards in this game, 3 for Clermont and 5 for Castres.
@stargazer said in NH club rugby:
What's your verdict? Toeava gets yellow for a high tackle (no penalty try awarded), but has now been cited, so the Citing Commissioner thinks it meets the red card threshold. By the way, there were 8 yellow cards in this game, 3 for Clermont and 5 for Castres.
I haven't seen the decision yet, but the French Commission de Discipline seems to have dismissed the case against Toeava. No sanction has been imposed and he's available to play. Glad they got it right.
