Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@stockcar86 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
That's it, we're doomed.
Makes 2004 journos seem shy and bashful.
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India will be absolutely chomping at the bit to get stuck into us, they are a world class side with no obvious weaknesses. Their captain is also an absolute gun that does not take a backward step, hence them doing the Aussies in their own back yard. We have an amazing team but we are up against it here.
If both teams play to their potential it will be an absolute cracker. If we are even slightly off our game it could end in disaster very quickly.
Ashwin and Jadeja scare the shit out of me.
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India will be absolutely chomping at the bit to get stuck into us, they are a world class side with no obvious weaknesses. Their captain is also an absolute gun that does not take a backward step, hence them doing the Aussies in their own back yard. We have an amazing team but we are up against it here.
If both teams play to their potential it will be an absolute cracker. If we are even slightly off our game it could end in disaster very quickly.
Ashwin and Jadeja scare the shit out of me.
@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
India will be absolutely chomping at the bit to get stuck into us, they are a world class side with no obvious weaknesses. Their captain is also an absolute gun that does not take a backward step, hence them doing the Aussies in their own back yard. We have an amazing team but we are up against it here.
If both teams play to their potential it will be an absolute cracker. If we are even slightly off our game it could end in disaster very quickly.
Ashwin and Jadeja scare the shit out of me.
Basically we are the underdogs
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India will be absolutely chomping at the bit to get stuck into us, they are a world class side with no obvious weaknesses. Their captain is also an absolute gun that does not take a backward step, hence them doing the Aussies in their own back yard. We have an amazing team but we are up against it here.
If both teams play to their potential it will be an absolute cracker. If we are even slightly off our game it could end in disaster very quickly.
Ashwin and Jadeja scare the shit out of me.
Forecast still looking absolute pants:
Fri - no play
Sat - full day (lucky for me , I’m there)
Sun - 1 session possibly?
Mon - 2 sessions possibly?
Tue - 1 session?
Wed - full dayI guess 3 days and 1 session is still within the realms of getting a result. Either way.
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Forecast still looking absolute pants:
Fri - no play
Sat - full day (lucky for me , I’m there)
Sun - 1 session possibly?
Mon - 2 sessions possibly?
Tue - 1 session?
Wed - full dayI guess 3 days and 1 session is still within the realms of getting a result. Either way.
@scribe said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Forecast still looking absolute pants:
Fri - no play
Sat - full day (lucky for me , I’m there)
Sun - 1 session possibly?
Mon - 2 sessions possibly?
Tue - 1 session?
Wed - full dayI guess 3 days and 1 session is still within the realms of getting a result. Either way.
:anguished_face:
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Hard not to go past Beefy as one of the few true best ever Allrounders.
Even though he fell away his test record is incredible.102 Tests
14 Test 100's (to put that into context only 3 black cap batsmen have score more)
33.54 Average383 Test wickets
28.40 Average, which is almost identical to Southee's
27 5wi hauls
4 10wm haulsA 100 and 5 wickets in an innings 5 times.
Vs India in 1980 he scored 114 and took 6/58 & 7/48
For good measure he took 120 catches as well.
Also according to Martin Crowe's time playing alongside him at Somerset in the 80's, a night on the piss and coming home at 6am didnt effect his performances either.
@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Hard not to go past Beefy as one of the few true best ever Allrounders.
Even though he fell away his test record is incredible.102 Tests
14 Test 100's (to put that into context only 3 black cap batsmen have score more)
33.54 Average383 Test wickets
28.40 Average, which is almost identical to Southee's
27 5wi hauls
4 10wm haulsA 100 and 5 wickets in an innings 5 times.
Vs India in 1980 he scored 114 and took 6/58 & 7/48
For good measure he took 120 catches as well.
Also according to Martin Crowe's time playing alongside him at Somerset in the 80's, a night on the piss and coming home at 6am didnt effect his performances either.
I loved Beefy but he should have retired about 50 tests before he did. Imran was a better All Rounder because his standards never slipped.
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Forecast still looking absolute pants:
Fri - no play
Sat - full day (lucky for me , I’m there)
Sun - 1 session possibly?
Mon - 2 sessions possibly?
Tue - 1 session?
Wed - full dayI guess 3 days and 1 session is still within the realms of getting a result. Either way.
@scribe said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Forecast still looking absolute pants:
Fri - no play
Sat - full day (lucky for me , I’m there)
Sun - 1 session possibly?
Mon - 2 sessions possibly?
Tue - 1 session?
Wed - full dayI guess 3 days and 1 session is still within the realms of getting a result. Either way.
Ahh Tits!!
About the only vulnerability the great sport of test cricket has
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@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Hard not to go past Beefy as one of the few true best ever Allrounders.
Even though he fell away his test record is incredible.102 Tests
14 Test 100's (to put that into context only 3 black cap batsmen have score more)
33.54 Average383 Test wickets
28.40 Average, which is almost identical to Southee's
27 5wi hauls
4 10wm haulsA 100 and 5 wickets in an innings 5 times.
Vs India in 1980 he scored 114 and took 6/58 & 7/48
For good measure he took 120 catches as well.
Also according to Martin Crowe's time playing alongside him at Somerset in the 80's, a night on the piss and coming home at 6am didnt effect his performances either.
I loved Beefy but he should have retired about 50 tests before he did. Imran was a better All Rounder because his standards never slipped.
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Hard not to go past Beefy as one of the few true best ever Allrounders.
Even though he fell away his test record is incredible.102 Tests
14 Test 100's (to put that into context only 3 black cap batsmen have score more)
33.54 Average383 Test wickets
28.40 Average, which is almost identical to Southee's
27 5wi hauls
4 10wm haulsA 100 and 5 wickets in an innings 5 times.
Vs India in 1980 he scored 114 and took 6/58 & 7/48
For good measure he took 120 catches as well.
Also according to Martin Crowe's time playing alongside him at Somerset in the 80's, a night on the piss and coming home at 6am didnt effect his performances either.
I loved Beefy but he should have retired about 50 tests before he did. Imran was a better All Rounder because his standards never slipped.
14 centuries from your best bowler versus 6?
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Hard not to go past Beefy as one of the few true best ever Allrounders.
Even though he fell away his test record is incredible.102 Tests
14 Test 100's (to put that into context only 3 black cap batsmen have score more)
33.54 Average383 Test wickets
28.40 Average, which is almost identical to Southee's
27 5wi hauls
4 10wm haulsA 100 and 5 wickets in an innings 5 times.
Vs India in 1980 he scored 114 and took 6/58 & 7/48
For good measure he took 120 catches as well.
Also according to Martin Crowe's time playing alongside him at Somerset in the 80's, a night on the piss and coming home at 6am didnt effect his performances either.
I loved Beefy but he should have retired about 50 tests before he did. Imran was a better All Rounder because his standards never slipped.
14 centuries from your best bowler versus 6?
@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Hard not to go past Beefy as one of the few true best ever Allrounders.
Even though he fell away his test record is incredible.102 Tests
14 Test 100's (to put that into context only 3 black cap batsmen have score more)
33.54 Average383 Test wickets
28.40 Average, which is almost identical to Southee's
27 5wi hauls
4 10wm haulsA 100 and 5 wickets in an innings 5 times.
Vs India in 1980 he scored 114 and took 6/58 & 7/48
For good measure he took 120 catches as well.
Also according to Martin Crowe's time playing alongside him at Somerset in the 80's, a night on the piss and coming home at 6am didnt effect his performances either.
I loved Beefy but he should have retired about 50 tests before he did. Imran was a better All Rounder because his standards never slipped.
14 centuries from your best bowler versus 6?
37/22 is better than 33/28….and as I said I loved Beefy but Imran was better.
In between Beefys tons there were some massive troughs. Hadlee was ruthless about late career Beefys bowling in his book which I thought was a bit harsh but possibly accurate.
If I had to choose who to have a beer and yarn with it’s no comparison ( I’ve actually met Beefy and he was an awesome bloke ), highlights of that 1981 Ashes series where he tore shit up were amazing……but history will judge Imran as the better player.
Imran was possibly a smidgeon below Hadlee as a bowler but a considerably better batsman. The guy was a freak.
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@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Hard not to go past Beefy as one of the few true best ever Allrounders.
Even though he fell away his test record is incredible.102 Tests
14 Test 100's (to put that into context only 3 black cap batsmen have score more)
33.54 Average383 Test wickets
28.40 Average, which is almost identical to Southee's
27 5wi hauls
4 10wm haulsA 100 and 5 wickets in an innings 5 times.
Vs India in 1980 he scored 114 and took 6/58 & 7/48
For good measure he took 120 catches as well.
Also according to Martin Crowe's time playing alongside him at Somerset in the 80's, a night on the piss and coming home at 6am didnt effect his performances either.
I loved Beefy but he should have retired about 50 tests before he did. Imran was a better All Rounder because his standards never slipped.
14 centuries from your best bowler versus 6?
37/22 is better than 33/28….and as I said I loved Beefy but Imran was better.
In between Beefys tons there were some massive troughs. Hadlee was ruthless about late career Beefys bowling in his book which I thought was a bit harsh but possibly accurate.
If I had to choose who to have a beer and yarn with it’s no comparison ( I’ve actually met Beefy and he was an awesome bloke ), highlights of that 1981 Ashes series where he tore shit up were amazing……but history will judge Imran as the better player.
Imran was possibly a smidgeon below Hadlee as a bowler but a considerably better batsman. The guy was a freak.
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@mn5 Imran was quite a bit better at home than he was away.
Jeremy Coney's book provides some background to that!
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 Imran was quite a bit better at home than he was away.
Jeremy Coney's book provides some background to that!
He‘s from the subcontinent, this is not surprising.
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@mn5 At home he averaged 45 with the bat and 19 with the ball.
Away 33 with the bat 25 with the ball.
If only he could have taken his umpires with him...
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 At home he averaged 45 with the bat and 19 with the ball.
Away 33 with the bat 25 with the ball.
If only he could have taken his umpires with him...
Still bloody good stats, not as skewed as others.
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Also, in the 80s, the allrounders usually weren't wicketkeeper-batsmen, and it's very rare to have a top class keeper-batsman and the more standard allrounders who bat and bowl at a high level at the same time.
It would be nice if CDG had a better bowling record but he is also backing up NZ's greatest trio ever. He mainly bowls first change apparently, and his average at 1st change is pretty solid comparatively - better than Wagner who is actually much better at 2nd change than 1st change.
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Also, in the 80s, the allrounders usually weren't wicketkeeper-batsmen, and it's very rare to have a top class keeper-batsman and the more standard allrounders who bat and bowl at a high level at the same time.
It would be nice if CDG had a better bowling record but he is also backing up NZ's greatest trio ever. He mainly bowls first change apparently, and his average at 1st change is pretty solid comparatively - better than Wagner who is actually much better at 2nd change than 1st change.
@godder said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Also, in the 80s, the allrounders usually weren't wicketkeeper-batsmen, and it's very rare to have a top class keeper-batsman and the more standard allrounders who bat and bowl at a high level at the same time.
It would be nice if CDG had a better bowling record but he is also backing up NZ's greatest trio ever. He mainly bowls first change apparently, and his average at 1st change is pretty solid comparatively - better than Wagner who is actually much better at 2nd change than 1st change.
How does he do in home tests vs overseas?
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@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Hard not to go past Beefy as one of the few true best ever Allrounders.
Even though he fell away his test record is incredible.102 Tests
14 Test 100's (to put that into context only 3 black cap batsmen have score more)
33.54 Average383 Test wickets
28.40 Average, which is almost identical to Southee's
27 5wi hauls
4 10wm haulsA 100 and 5 wickets in an innings 5 times.
Vs India in 1980 he scored 114 and took 6/58 & 7/48
For good measure he took 120 catches as well.
Also according to Martin Crowe's time playing alongside him at Somerset in the 80's, a night on the piss and coming home at 6am didnt effect his performances either.
I loved Beefy but he should have retired about 50 tests before he did. Imran was a better All Rounder because his standards never slipped.
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Siraj missing out in these conditions sucks, but Shami isn't that much of a downgrade either.
Conditions definitely favoring NZ and significantly at that. If this test was to be played anywhere else - Aus, SA, WI, I'd be feeling so much more confident about Indian chances. Asia obviously as well. But England and NZ are the 2 places where the conditions level things off for NZ.
If the ball is darting around and India end up 20/4, thats the ball game then.
That sort of collapse is NZ's best shot at winning this test. Outside of that, I'm not that worried.
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@mn5 Imran was quite a bit better at home than he was away.
Jeremy Coney's book provides some background to that!
@chris-b
I've personally met Mohinder Amarnath when I was a kid, and he had some stories to tell too!
One thing that was shocking to me, especially as a naive teenager, was when he shared the anecdote about how he was at the non-striker's end, and the 'home' umpire informed the Pakistani pace bowler that he was overstepping, and to just mind it. Didn't call the no-ball, just politely asked the bowler to mind the line. The bowler showered the umpire with a torrent of punjabi f-bombs, and told him to do his job while he does his!
And of course, the umpires allowed the Pakistani team to take the match ball into their dressing room during breaks, to do with as they please. The 80s were a very different time.
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@chris-b
I've personally met Mohinder Amarnath when I was a kid, and he had some stories to tell too!
One thing that was shocking to me, especially as a naive teenager, was when he shared the anecdote about how he was at the non-striker's end, and the 'home' umpire informed the Pakistani pace bowler that he was overstepping, and to just mind it. Didn't call the no-ball, just politely asked the bowler to mind the line. The bowler showered the umpire with a torrent of punjabi f-bombs, and told him to do his job while he does his!
And of course, the umpires allowed the Pakistani team to take the match ball into their dressing room during breaks, to do with as they please. The 80s were a very different time.
@newsjunkie Amarnath!!! Not many batsmen braver than him!!!
Coney devoted a whole chapter of his book to the goings on in this ODI in Pakistan - it's a very amusing story. Apparently Bryan Waddle concluded his commentary on the day by saying NZ 213/8; Pakistan 214/13.
