Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Two full days is enough time for us to get a result, but maybe not India unless they really roll through us for 50 odd. We could in theory bat a day and end up with a lead of 150ish, then put them in on the final day and have a fair old crack at them.
I reckon we need to take a few risks. Try to score a quick 220 in a couple of sessions.
There isn't really that much risk to us of losing. Let's say we go too hard and get rolled for 50 more.
So we are then 60 behind with 5 and a half sessions to play. India will want to score at least another 240 to set us 300 to win in a day or just under. Doesn't seem very likely to me that they can do this or would even try. I don't see many credible paths to a defeat, but I can see a credible path to victory.
@damo Last two days would also in theory be extended days.
But, they don't even need to go that hard until they get their noses in front. If we could retain wickets, then we could gradually accelerate to an almost T20 assault.
Declare with 3.5 sessions remaining and - as you say, we have a credible path to victory and no real chance of losing.
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Highlights anyone? Foxtel are a bit slow, only day 2 thus far.
I suggest you don't try to search on YouTube unless you want to find yourself exclaiming WTF! at the offerings
@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Highlights anyone? Foxtel are a bit slow, only day 2 thus far.
I suggest you don't try to search on YouTube unless you want to find yourself exclaiming WTF! at the offerings
The official ICC Facebook page has 5 minute videos for each day.
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Cricket in summer in England. What could possibly go wrong with weather?
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@Damo @MajorRage @Chris-B some pretty optimistic scenarios you fullas are throwing out
Given the way this pitch is playing and the quality of both sides, it seems a draw is the only likely outcome.
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Wow, what an incredible scorecard to wake up to. Based on the scorecard alone we are well on top, however, given the conditions being well on top can change to being well behind within the space of 30 minutes, so it's still right in the balance. Really great test so far, you know both teams will be mentally shattered at the conclusion given the war of attrition this has been - batmen being given nothing by the bowlers, but at the same time making the bowlers work hard to get their wicket.
Kyle is just incredible for someone so young. He has all of the physical attributes, but more importantly mentally he seems made for test cricket. Just gives the batsmen absolutely nothing, and forces them to take big risks if they want to score off him. Moves it both ways, hits the seam hard, and gets plenty of awkward bounce. He must be an absolute nightmare to face, and he absolutely dominated the Indian top order. And the scariest part about him is that he will only improve from here...
Special shout out to BJ behind the stumps as well - he has been absolutely superb in really challenging conditions.
The rest of the bowlers:
- Boult was really, really good. Had the Indian batsmen under huge pressure trying to guess which balls would go across them, and which would hoop back in. Absolutely did Jadeja as well and really deserved that wicket.
- Southee well below his best but still a threat given how much swing he was getting. Hoping he makes amends in the second innings.
- Wags, we love Wags. Just so insanely consistent. A genuine threat swinging the ball, and can attack the batsmen with the shorter stuff if needed - loved the way he bought Rahane's wicket. I know it looked like Rahane just fell into an easy trap, but given how much concentration was needed to bat out there, setting that trap and chucking a few short balls his way was really smart cricket and Rahane couldn't mentally adjust quickly enough.
- CDG was good, but is not really a threat the way the other bowlers are. I think we over bowled him in the end, although he got past the edge a few times the Indians looked by far the most comfortable batting time against him. We should use him sparingly only.
Awesome platform has now been laid by the openers taking the shine off the ball. The Indians can't swing it like us so rely more on seam movement, which will decrease as the ball gets older. It's the spinners that worry me the most, they just come at you all day long waiting for a small mistake to pounce.
Huge chance for our two best players to take this game by the scruff of the neck and put us in a really dominant position. As others have said, a lead of even 50 will be significant, but ideally we want to push that past 100 if possible.
@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Special shout out to BJ behind the stumps as well - he has been absolutely superb in really challenging conditions.
Great post mate. But be careful the ‘shout out’ police on this forum will be coming for you…
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@Damo @MajorRage @Chris-B some pretty optimistic scenarios you fullas are throwing out
Given the way this pitch is playing and the quality of both sides, it seems a draw is the only likely outcome.
@act-crusader said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@Damo @MajorRage @Chris-B some pretty optimistic scenarios you fullas are throwing out
Given the way this pitch is playing and the quality of both sides, it seems a draw is the only likely outcome.
If both sides decide to play for it, I totally agree.
My scenario's only work if one side (leaning towards us as the current batting side), decides to go for it. If I was in charge, my aims would be this
- Try and bat 45 overs tomorrow. That should take us to drinks in sessions 2 & we should be relative parity from here
- Anything above this should be a lead. Impossible to assess what this should be without seeing conditions and the wicket tomorrow. BUT, regardless of anything, India should be batting at the end of the day. For at least 10 overs.
Make no mistake, they probably have the best batting line up to block it out. Conditions won't be great. Likely overcast and humid.
Wagner time.
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@Damo @MajorRage @Chris-B some pretty optimistic scenarios you fullas are throwing out
Given the way this pitch is playing and the quality of both sides, it seems a draw is the only likely outcome.
@act-crusader said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@Damo @MajorRage @Chris-B some pretty optimistic scenarios you fullas are throwing out
Given the way this pitch is playing and the quality of both sides, it seems a draw is the only likely outcome.
Most likely for sure - but I still think India are a little bit vulnerable with this being their first test in English conditions.
On their first test on the last English tour they were bowled out twice under 130 and lost by an innings. Their first test on the last tour of Australia they were skittled for 36 in the second innings. Could it happen here?
Freaky stuff can happen in England like Broad's effort in Nottinghamshire or the first innings of Ireland's first test - I don't count us out if we get a roll on.
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@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I think this article by Aussie arse kissing Pom Mark Nicholas sums up the coverage so far absolutely perfect.
Maybe my most hated commentator in any sport, and I hate a lot of commentators.
Just a consistently shocking level of obsequiousness, constantly sucking aussie cock.
@tim said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I think this article by Aussie arse kissing Pom Mark Nicholas sums up the coverage so far absolutely perfect.
Maybe my most hated commentator in any sport, and I hate a lot of commentators.
Just a consistently shocking level of obsequiousness, constantly sucking aussie cock.
I knew I’d get angry reading that, glad I wasn’t disappointed. His anecdotes sounded like the ramblings of a senile old man.
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I'd come out and go for it tonight NZT. Every chance we get score parity it's just a matter of how quickly and how many wickets we lose. If we're all out for 200 then we'll see what Kohli is made of as a captain. If we get to 200 quickly and with wickets in hand then we can take this game by the scruff of its fucking neck and try to force a result. If they roll us for another 50 it's still on India to make a game of it but our chances of winning will have diminished.
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@Damo @MajorRage @Chris-B some pretty optimistic scenarios you fullas are throwing out
Given the way this pitch is playing and the quality of both sides, it seems a draw is the only likely outcome.
@act-crusader said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@Damo @MajorRage @Chris-B some pretty optimistic scenarios you fullas are throwing out
Given the way this pitch is playing and the quality of both sides, it seems a draw is the only likely outcome.
Yeah - it's got harder with losing all of last night - and it looks like the sun might actually come out on the last day, which might mitigate against us really swinging it around.
The TAB is now saying draw $1.27, NZ $3.85, India $16
If we bat well in the first session that India $16 is going to get a lot bigger very quickly!!!
We've just about got one hand on the Cup lads. That might be all that we get - but, in my Jacobite view of the CWC, we've got one hand on the ODI Cup as well. If the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune not so blatantly favoured the New Zealander, Stokes, King Kane would be safely ruling over that Empire as well!
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I'd come out and go for it tonight NZT. Every chance we get score parity it's just a matter of how quickly and how many wickets we lose. If we're all out for 200 then we'll see what Kohli is made of as a captain. If we get to 200 quickly and with wickets in hand then we can take this game by the scruff of its fucking neck and try to force a result. If they roll us for another 50 it's still on India to make a game of it but our chances of winning will have diminished.
@shark said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I'd come out and go for it tonight NZT. Every chance we get score parity it's just a matter of how quickly and how many wickets we lose. If we're all out for 200 then we'll see what Kohli is made of as a captain. If we get to 200 quickly and with wickets in hand then we can take this game by the scruff of its fucking neck and try to force a result. If they roll us for another 50 it's still on India to make a game of it but our chances of winning will have diminished.
Will be interesting to see if someone rolls the dice and has a crack at forcing a result.
We need KW and Ross to get set then up the rate with one to then stick around and be the backbone if we are going to up the ante here. -
@act-crusader said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@Damo @MajorRage @Chris-B some pretty optimistic scenarios you fullas are throwing out
Given the way this pitch is playing and the quality of both sides, it seems a draw is the only likely outcome.
Yeah - it's got harder with losing all of last night - and it looks like the sun might actually come out on the last day, which might mitigate against us really swinging it around.
The TAB is now saying draw $1.27, NZ $3.85, India $16
If we bat well in the first session that India $16 is going to get a lot bigger very quickly!!!
We've just about got one hand on the Cup lads. That might be all that we get - but, in my Jacobite view of the CWC, we've got one hand on the ODI Cup as well. If the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune not so blatantly favoured the New Zealander, Stokes, King Kane would be safely ruling over that Empire as well!
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
If the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune not so blatantly favoured the New Zealander, Stokes, King Kane would be safely ruling over that Empire as well!
I, for one, welcome our new Kane overlords
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@shark said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I'd come out and go for it tonight NZT. Every chance we get score parity it's just a matter of how quickly and how many wickets we lose. If we're all out for 200 then we'll see what Kohli is made of as a captain. If we get to 200 quickly and with wickets in hand then we can take this game by the scruff of its fucking neck and try to force a result. If they roll us for another 50 it's still on India to make a game of it but our chances of winning will have diminished.
Will be interesting to see if someone rolls the dice and has a crack at forcing a result.
We need KW and Ross to get set then up the rate with one to then stick around and be the backbone if we are going to up the ante here.@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@shark said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I'd come out and go for it tonight NZT. Every chance we get score parity it's just a matter of how quickly and how many wickets we lose. If we're all out for 200 then we'll see what Kohli is made of as a captain. If we get to 200 quickly and with wickets in hand then we can take this game by the scruff of its fucking neck and try to force a result. If they roll us for another 50 it's still on India to make a game of it but our chances of winning will have diminished.
Will be interesting to see if someone rolls the dice and has a crack at forcing a result.
We need KW and Ross to get set then up the rate with one to then stick around and be the backbone if we are going to up the ante here.I'm sure we will have a crack at forcing a result.
We don't need to go for it from ball one though. Just bat normally for the first session and hope to keep wickets in hand. All going well, we should have our noses in front an hour after lunch - and could still potentially bat for another 40 overs with a gradual acceleration.
All going according to my plan,
we could be 200 ahead.Leave the Indians a tricky little 10 overs before close of play - and hopefully another 98 overs tomorrow.
That's quite a few more overs than they batted in the first innings - and we have 10 wicket in the shed to slog any deficit at the end.
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@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@shark said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I'd come out and go for it tonight NZT. Every chance we get score parity it's just a matter of how quickly and how many wickets we lose. If we're all out for 200 then we'll see what Kohli is made of as a captain. If we get to 200 quickly and with wickets in hand then we can take this game by the scruff of its fucking neck and try to force a result. If they roll us for another 50 it's still on India to make a game of it but our chances of winning will have diminished.
Will be interesting to see if someone rolls the dice and has a crack at forcing a result.
We need KW and Ross to get set then up the rate with one to then stick around and be the backbone if we are going to up the ante here.I'm sure we will have a crack at forcing a result.
We don't need to go for it from ball one though. Just bat normally for the first session and hope to keep wickets in hand. All going well, we should have our noses in front an hour after lunch - and could still potentially bat for another 40 overs with a gradual acceleration.
All going according to my plan,
we could be 200 ahead.Leave the Indians a tricky little 10 overs before close of play - and hopefully another 98 overs tomorrow.
That's quite a few more overs than they batted in the first innings - and we have 10 wicket in the shed to slog any deficit at the end.
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@shark said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I'd come out and go for it tonight NZT. Every chance we get score parity it's just a matter of how quickly and how many wickets we lose. If we're all out for 200 then we'll see what Kohli is made of as a captain. If we get to 200 quickly and with wickets in hand then we can take this game by the scruff of its fucking neck and try to force a result. If they roll us for another 50 it's still on India to make a game of it but our chances of winning will have diminished.
Will be interesting to see if someone rolls the dice and has a crack at forcing a result.
We need KW and Ross to get set then up the rate with one to then stick around and be the backbone if we are going to up the ante here.I'm sure we will have a crack at forcing a result.
We don't need to go for it from ball one though. Just bat normally for the first session and hope to keep wickets in hand. All going well, we should have our noses in front an hour after lunch - and could still potentially bat for another 40 overs with a gradual acceleration.
All going according to my plan,
we could be 200 ahead.Leave the Indians a tricky little 10 overs before close of play - and hopefully another 98 overs tomorrow.
That's quite a few more overs than they batted in the first innings - and we have 10 wicket in the shed to slog any deficit at the end.
Sound plan. We have the bowling firepower to force a result. If there is assistance I'd like to think that Southee and Boult will be better next innings. The Indians struggle with Kylo, and Wags can manufacture something through his sheer will and his rage
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In my view, the worst thing would be to try and force from the start if play does start on time tomorrow. It's a tough pitch to bat on and you have to work hard for your runs. NZ objective should be to bat all day, even if that is only to get to 350. Then see if India can cope with the fast bowler barrage for a whole day with no prospect of victory.
