Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Test cricket will die one day due to low audience numbers. Remember this match when that happens.
Weak as piss England. A pox on the lot of you!
Na, I don’t think this at all. Sure this test was a bit dogshit but a whole day being lost was a huge part of there being no result. I believe we woulda definitely had a winner with that extra day. Probably us, our team is better than theirs.
In other news Wisden tells me Tim Southee has taken 100 test wickets at 21.91 since the start of 2018. Fucken oustanding especially when you consider Trent Boult is usually regarded as the ‘better’ bowler.
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Na, I don’t think this at all. Sure this test was a bit dogshit but a whole day being lost was a huge part of there being no result. I believe we woulda definitely had a winner with that extra day. Probably us, our team is better than theirs.
That's all completely valid mate and England can and should play as they please. The final equation makes the rain day moot in my opinion. At start of play I wanted us to get batting practice for a day. But Kane had other ideas and vastly superior ones to mine in every way - he changed my mind for the better.
Really glad our boys tested themselves. Gave themselves a chance to be challenged and all the development that comes with a tight win or loss. I would hope we'd have chased down what was a sub par ODI total, or even had a go for, say, 3 wickets down and then backed ourselves from there to play out a draw.
This test had nothing on it and was to all intents and purposes a "friendly". A loss wouldn't be the end of the world and the team would have learned something about themselves too.
England, conversely learned hardly anything, didn't get to test themselves under any pressure and had bugger all to talk about in the sheds after the game.
For the sake of test cricket it was not a red letter day. Rugby has moved with the times by turning down gimme penalties for tries and test cricket, I believe, must also show an attitude change with the times. We now know that the game has moved on. For example the adage of batting first provides the most chance of winning is statistically outdated. Similarly to pass up the chance of chasing a win at less than 4 per over would produce a game that garners far more clicks. Is a forgettable draw at all costs the right direction to be headed? Is it more fun to want to draw from 70 overs out?
Would England's attitude have changed if WTC points were at stake? Who knows but I think we saw an illustration that WTC points must accompany every test from here on out.
No biggie that England folded meekly, that's their perogative. Glad that the team I support with less than a third of the resources backed themselves and weren't afraid of failure. Excellent captaincy and a fine example to set for test cricket going forward.
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Robinson suspended by the England Cricket team and won't play in the Second Test
@sparky said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Robinson suspended by the England Cricket team and won't play in the Second Test
In the fine spirit of unity, come and play cricket in England. We unreservedly welcome any player of any race, gender or religion to be part of our wonderful game and will always strive in any possible way to provide a welcome and inclusive environment.
Except, of course, if you dedicate your life and sacrifice for English cricket for 15 years, reach the pinnacle of the game and don't delete your tweets from when you were a teenager.
Do that and we'll publicly humilate you, force you to apologise and punish you again. Furthermore our captain will publically announce that your behaviour of 11 years ago is not acceptable and we'll pander to a whole slew of non cricket people, not because you said racist or sexist things (hell we've ALL done that, some of us numerous times), but because you didn't expunge your indelible online presence or poor attempts at humour sufficiently. If you're going to attempt weak humour, at least have the decency to delete, delete and delete. ( of course you'll never know that till later)
So join our wonderful team of unity and give us the chance to drop you like a stone and ensure that your name will always be associated with racism and sexism for the rest of your life.
England Cricket celebrating unity and inclusion with no context considered whatsoever!
Gotta go, somebody needs to remind the English press that, also in 2013, Joe Root was punched by Dave Warner for "inappropriately" lampooning Hashim Amla and Lasith Malinga with cultural appropriation and inferred BAME racism. Context? No, context doesn't matter - Davey thought Joe, in a wig and fake beard, was disrespecting two members of a protected minority and that's up there with a tweet so lets roll!
Bye Bye Joe
Davey becomes a hero in the woke world!
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Gezz that was piss weak from England. Batting out a draw only 3 wickets down when chasing a small total is, honestly, pathetic. I don't care how inexperienced the team is, to not even entertain trying to score at 3 an over for just 2 sessions is as bad as it gets. What the hell were they thinking?
Loved the declaration from Kane though, outstanding bit of captaincy and really caught the English (and myself) off guard.
Overall a decent test, some guys finding a bit of form or continuing their form from last year. Boult absolutely must play the next match, bringing him in cold for the final when we can give him a run leading into it would be absolute madness.
Loving Southee and Jameson's work. Southee getting the ball to swing, and Jamieson giving nothing away. Pair them with Wags and Boult and there is not a lot of respite. I hope the pitch for the final offers a bit for the bowlers, as we have a clear advantage there.
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On Robinson, all I'll add is that searching someone's social media account from when they were a teenager looking for something you can use to ruin them is psychopathic behavior. I would not want to he anywhere near the type of person that reported those tweets to the media. That's fucking deranged.
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On Robinson, all I'll add is that searching someone's social media account from when they were a teenager looking for something you can use to ruin them is psychopathic behavior. I would not want to he anywhere near the type of person that reported those tweets to the media. That's fucking deranged.
@no-quarter using that information to elevate status is also psychopathic. Yes ECB, shame on you
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So, we're all in agreement of the starting "10" for the final, yes?
The 5th bowler is the quandary so I guess we just support that guy and hope for a personal best performance (or at least not a personal worst
).C'mon Black !!
Ps. I'm doubtfully going for Colin, economy rate of 1.6 does a job for us, and maybe some quick runs...
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@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I don't get the criticism of England here. You have to play the cards you are dealt and that England batting order is very inexperienced and four guys were sitting on a pair. With Butler and Stokes fair enough, but here it would have been a fools errand - our strong suit against their weakest.
Isn't sport about winning?
So what was the point of Kane even doing a declaration.
It was piss poor by England, showing absolutely no guts or ticker from supposedly one of the games top echelon of teams. Pathetic.
@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I don't get the criticism of England here. You have to play the cards you are dealt and that England batting order is very inexperienced and four guys were sitting on a pair. With Butler and Stokes fair enough, but here it would have been a fools errand - our strong suit against their weakest.
Isn't sport about winning?
So what was the point of Kane even doing a declaration.
It was piss poor by England, showing absolutely no guts or ticker from supposedly one of the games top echelon of teams. Pathetic.
I don't think anyone is saying with Stokes and Butler out that this is a top echelon team? In a combined team we would take Root - and then have a long argument about the seam attack.
If England had have got off to a flier and been 80/0 after 15 overs I'm pretty sure the drawbridge would have come up real quick and it would have been negative stuff from Wagner to secure the draw - so lets not get too holier than thou on this one. Along the same lines if Kane was so gung ho about winning they could have been more aggressive with their approach and batting order in the first hour.
I'm disappointed that England did not take the bait, but I don't blame them.
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@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
How can you pick Santner for the WTC final if he just bowled on a fifth day wicket on a the same track against a worse batting order and offered two fifths of fuck all? Not that CdG is much better - but it surely has to be a four-prong pace attack for the final.
CDGH has test numbers pretty comparable to Ben Stokes which is kinda hilarious.
Santner is the kind of guy who needs to step up with the bat if he bowls with no threat. Which he seems to do every game. A duck last dig certainly doesn’t help matters. Both these guys are obvious weak points in an otherwise immensely strong team.
Mitch is a nothing selection. Shows no ambition whatsoever. If we pick a spinner it has to be someone who can take wickets. Otherwise why bother? Might as well take CDG or another slow medium all rounder who can bat better and to work through a few garbage overs
Gary Stead needs to read the fern cos I’m sick of us all posting this every season and nothing changing.
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Gary Stead needs to read the fern cos I’m sick of us all posting this every season and nothing changing.
At least he seems to have changed his position on Boult
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@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I don't get the criticism of England here. You have to play the cards you are dealt and that England batting order is very inexperienced and four guys were sitting on a pair. With Butler and Stokes fair enough, but here it would have been a fools errand - our strong suit against their weakest.
Isn't sport about winning?
So what was the point of Kane even doing a declaration.
It was piss poor by England, showing absolutely no guts or ticker from supposedly one of the games top echelon of teams. Pathetic.
I don't think anyone is saying with Stokes and Butler out that this is a top echelon team? In a combined team we would take Root - and then have a long argument about the seam attack.
If England had have got off to a flier and been 80/0 after 15 overs I'm pretty sure the drawbridge would have come up real quick and it would have been negative stuff from Wagner to secure the draw - so lets not get too holier than thou on this one. Along the same lines if Kane was so gung ho about winning they could have been more aggressive with their approach and batting order in the first hour.
I'm disappointed that England did not take the bait, but I don't blame them.
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I'm disappointed that England did not take the bait, but I don't blame them.
A lot of the criticism in England is as much about the entertainment aspect as anything. It might be smarter to bat for a draw but why would anyone watch that?
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@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I don't get the criticism of England here. You have to play the cards you are dealt and that England batting order is very inexperienced and four guys were sitting on a pair. With Butler and Stokes fair enough, but here it would have been a fools errand - our strong suit against their weakest.
Isn't sport about winning?
So what was the point of Kane even doing a declaration.
It was piss poor by England, showing absolutely no guts or ticker from supposedly one of the games top echelon of teams. Pathetic.
I don't think anyone is saying with Stokes and Butler out that this is a top echelon team? In a combined team we would take Root - and then have a long argument about the seam attack.
If England had have got off to a flier and been 80/0 after 15 overs I'm pretty sure the drawbridge would have come up real quick and it would have been negative stuff from Wagner to secure the draw - so lets not get too holier than thou on this one. Along the same lines if Kane was so gung ho about winning they could have been more aggressive with their approach and batting order in the first hour.
I'm disappointed that England did not take the bait, but I don't blame them.
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I don't get the criticism of England here. You have to play the cards you are dealt and that England batting order is very inexperienced and four guys were sitting on a pair. With Butler and Stokes fair enough, but here it would have been a fools errand - our strong suit against their weakest.
Isn't sport about winning?
So what was the point of Kane even doing a declaration.
It was piss poor by England, showing absolutely no guts or ticker from supposedly one of the games top echelon of teams. Pathetic.
I don't think anyone is saying with Stokes and Butler out that this is a top echelon team? In a combined team we would take Root - and then have a long argument about the seam attack.
If they aren’t a top echelon team then why are they, along with India and Oz the self elected global co ordinaries. Why do they play 4/5 match series and then give us only 2?
If England had have got off to a flier and been 80/0 after 15 overs I'm pretty sure the drawbridge would have come up real quick and it would have been negative stuff from Wagner to secure the draw - so lets not get too holier than thou on this one.
Sorry what? Holier than thou on your guess of a scenario? That doesn’t make sense. Reverse situation I’d be equally hard on Kane.
Along the same lines if Kane was so gung ho about winning they could have been more aggressive with their approach and batting order in the first hour.
Um, we were ahead. So we got to dictate the game. We then offered them a chance to go for it - sporting. They elected to not take it.
I'm disappointed that England did not take the bait, but I don't blame them.
Well who else are you going to blame then?
What’s the point on having courageous captains if one of the top teams, at the home of cricket, on a beautiful English summers day, is going to elect to play boring to safety.
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@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@rotated said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I don't get the criticism of England here. You have to play the cards you are dealt and that England batting order is very inexperienced and four guys were sitting on a pair. With Butler and Stokes fair enough, but here it would have been a fools errand - our strong suit against their weakest.
Isn't sport about winning?
So what was the point of Kane even doing a declaration.
It was piss poor by England, showing absolutely no guts or ticker from supposedly one of the games top echelon of teams. Pathetic.
I don't think anyone is saying with Stokes and Butler out that this is a top echelon team? In a combined team we would take Root - and then have a long argument about the seam attack.
If they aren’t a top echelon team then why are they, along with India and Oz the self elected global co ordinaries. Why do they play 4/5 match series and then give us only 2?
If England had have got off to a flier and been 80/0 after 15 overs I'm pretty sure the drawbridge would have come up real quick and it would have been negative stuff from Wagner to secure the draw - so lets not get too holier than thou on this one.
Sorry what? Holier than thou on your guess of a scenario? That doesn’t make sense. Reverse situation I’d be equally hard on Kane.
Along the same lines if Kane was so gung ho about winning they could have been more aggressive with their approach and batting order in the first hour.
Um, we were ahead. So we got to dictate the game. We then offered them a chance to go for it - sporting. They elected to not take it.
I'm disappointed that England did not take the bait, but I don't blame them.
Well who else are you going to blame then?
What’s the point on having courageous captains if one of the top teams, at the home of cricket, on a beautiful English summers day, is going to elect to play boring to safety.
@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
If they aren’t a top echelon team then why are they, along with India and Oz the self elected global co ordinaries. Why do they play 4/5 match series and then give us only 2?
I don't think the geopolitics of cricket played much a role in Root's decision. He likely looked at his batting order and thought that they weren't up for it.
If w e played that game as scheduled without our IPL contingent (Williamson, Conway, Jaimeson & obviously Boult still) I sure wouldn't be saying "well we are the number one side in the world we should be throwing our weight around here"
Sorry what? Holier than thou on your guess of a scenario? That doesn’t make sense. Reverse situation I’d be equally hard on Kane.
The point is Kane wasn't going to attack against all logic and common sense. If England started to sniff it you would have blamed Kane if he stopped going for the win and started to play for the draw? I guess we can blame him for offering the draw early too - especially with a bowler in the side capable of taking five first class wickets in six balls. He denied us one of the great test cricket collapses in history.
Um, we were ahead. So we got to dictate the game. We then offered them a chance to go for it - sporting. They elected to not take it.
Exactly - we offered the declaration on our terms and they said no thanks. We could have made an even more sporting declaration if we batted more aggressively and they may have taken it.
Well who else are you going to blame then?
What’s the point on having courageous captains if one of the top teams, at the home of cricket, on a beautiful English summers day, is going to elect to play boring to safety.
I would blame losing a full day to rain.
I thought it was a smart declaration, but hardly courageous (but definitely more ballsy than most test captains in the past thirty years). I don't see any way that batting order gets those runs without our bowlers having a mare. Even if England got off to a good start we would have been well placed to dry up the runs and I don't see any batsman there who could have forced the issue like a Stokes or Butler.
I guess we will agree to disagree on this one.
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@majorrage said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
If they aren’t a top echelon team then why are they, along with India and Oz the self elected global co ordinaries. Why do they play 4/5 match series and then give us only 2?
I don't think the geopolitics of cricket played much a role in Root's decision. He likely looked at his batting order and thought that they weren't up for it.
If w e played that game as scheduled without our IPL contingent (Williamson, Conway, Jaimeson & obviously Boult still) I sure wouldn't be saying "well we are the number one side in the world we should be throwing our weight around here"
Sorry what? Holier than thou on your guess of a scenario? That doesn’t make sense. Reverse situation I’d be equally hard on Kane.
The point is Kane wasn't going to attack against all logic and common sense. If England started to sniff it you would have blamed Kane if he stopped going for the win and started to play for the draw? I guess we can blame him for offering the draw early too - especially with a bowler in the side capable of taking five first class wickets in six balls. He denied us one of the great test cricket collapses in history.
Um, we were ahead. So we got to dictate the game. We then offered them a chance to go for it - sporting. They elected to not take it.
Exactly - we offered the declaration on our terms and they said no thanks. We could have made an even more sporting declaration if we batted more aggressively and they may have taken it.
Well who else are you going to blame then?
What’s the point on having courageous captains if one of the top teams, at the home of cricket, on a beautiful English summers day, is going to elect to play boring to safety.
I would blame losing a full day to rain.
I thought it was a smart declaration, but hardly courageous (but definitely more ballsy than most test captains in the past thirty years). I don't see any way that batting order gets those runs without our bowlers having a mare. Even if England got off to a good start we would have been well placed to dry up the runs and I don't see any batsman there who could have forced the issue like a Stokes or Butler.
I guess we will agree to disagree on this one.
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this is the face of a middle aged accountant who is in training to finish an Iron Man
@mariner4life said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
this is the face of a middle aged accountant who is in training to finish an Iron Man
Or the one who does a lot of ecstasy on his weekends off
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this is the face of a middle aged accountant who is in training to finish an Iron Man
@mariner4life very well done. Self deprecating humour always rocks!
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this is the face of a middle aged accountant who is in training to finish an Iron Man
@mariner4life said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
this is the face of a middle aged accountant who is in training to finish an Iron Man
You mean you?
