Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@victor-meldrew said in Black Caps tour to England:
I can't recall a period when so many quality NZ players seemingly rolling off a conveyor belt.
We call it South Africa.
I'm taking the piss of course, but we do appreciate their help.
They gave England one of my favourite batsmen ever in Kevin Pietersen, Jonathan Trott went ok too.
Helped out Aus at times too. Mostly a generous bunch apart from a brief period of selfishness when they decided to be quite good, and kept guys like Steyn, De Villiers, etc instead of sharing nicely with others.
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
Helped out Aus at times too. Mostly a generous bunch apart from a brief period of selfishness when they decided to be quite good, and kept guys like Steyn, De Villiers, etc instead of sharing nicely with others.
Pity they don't make Covid vaccines, then...
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@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
Helped out Aus at times too. Mostly a generous bunch apart from a brief period of selfishness when they decided to be quite good, and kept guys like Steyn, De Villiers, etc instead of sharing nicely with others.
Pity they don't make Covid vaccines, then...
@victor-meldrew said in Black Caps tour to England:
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
Helped out Aus at times too. Mostly a generous bunch apart from a brief period of selfishness when they decided to be quite good, and kept guys like Steyn, De Villiers, etc instead of sharing nicely with others.
Pity they don't make Covid vaccines, then...
They've been sharing their own strain...
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@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@victor-meldrew said in Black Caps tour to England:
I can't recall a period when so many quality NZ players seemingly rolling off a conveyor belt.
We call it South Africa.
I'm taking the piss of course, but we do appreciate their help.
They gave England one of my favourite batsmen ever in Kevin Pietersen, Jonathan Trott went ok too.
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@victor-meldrew said in Black Caps tour to England:
I can't recall a period when so many quality NZ players seemingly rolling off a conveyor belt.
We call it South Africa.
I'm taking the piss of course, but we do appreciate their help.
They gave England one of my favourite batsmen ever in Kevin Pietersen, Jonathan Trott went ok too.
Allan Lamb, Robin and Chris Smith, Tony Greig. They’ve been bloody good to us for a while.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@victor-meldrew said in Black Caps tour to England:
I can't recall a period when so many quality NZ players seemingly rolling off a conveyor belt.
We call it South Africa.
I'm taking the piss of course, but we do appreciate their help.
They gave England one of my favourite batsmen ever in Kevin Pietersen, Jonathan Trott went ok too.
Helped out Aus at times too. Mostly a generous bunch apart from a brief period of selfishness when they decided to be quite good, and kept guys like Steyn, De Villiers, etc instead of sharing nicely with others.
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@victor-meldrew said in Black Caps tour to England:
I can't recall a period when so many quality NZ players seemingly rolling off a conveyor belt.
We call it South Africa.
I'm taking the piss of course, but we do appreciate their help.
They gave England one of my favourite batsmen ever in Kevin Pietersen, Jonathan Trott went ok too.
Helped out Aus at times too. Mostly a generous bunch apart from a brief period of selfishness when they decided to be quite good, and kept guys like Steyn, De Villiers, etc instead of sharing nicely with others.
I wouldn’t have minded Jacques Kallis too. I get the feeling he might have forced Astle, McMillan or even Fleming onto the sidelines.
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@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse Yeah - I worded that a bit inaccurately.
Whether the risk of a talented, slightly makeshift rookie test player in Conway outweighs the more limited, but more proven Blundell.
(In my mind, it probably does, because Blundell himself is a bit makeshift - and the Test Championship final is uncharted territory for everyone - including Kane, Rossco and Kohli!).
But, experience will trump lots of things, so I'm not onboard with playing Ravindra. I'd pick Santner (or maybe Ajaz) if we expect spinners to have some role, CdG if we can get away without a spinner.
Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants against good opposition especially opening and from LHBs. I think the gamble is to keep Conway out.
@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse Yeah - I worded that a bit inaccurately.
Whether the risk of a talented, slightly makeshift rookie test player in Conway outweighs the more limited, but more proven Blundell.
(In my mind, it probably does, because Blundell himself is a bit makeshift - and the Test Championship final is uncharted territory for everyone - including Kane, Rossco and Kohli!).
But, experience will trump lots of things, so I'm not onboard with playing Ravindra. I'd pick Santner (or maybe Ajaz) if we expect spinners to have some role, CdG if we can get away without a spinner.
Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants ......
Ken Rutherford just got a shiver down his spine.
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@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse Yeah - I worded that a bit inaccurately.
Whether the risk of a talented, slightly makeshift rookie test player in Conway outweighs the more limited, but more proven Blundell.
(In my mind, it probably does, because Blundell himself is a bit makeshift - and the Test Championship final is uncharted territory for everyone - including Kane, Rossco and Kohli!).
But, experience will trump lots of things, so I'm not onboard with playing Ravindra. I'd pick Santner (or maybe Ajaz) if we expect spinners to have some role, CdG if we can get away without a spinner.
Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants ......
Ken Rutherford just got a shiver down his spine.
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@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
Ken Rutherford just got a shiver down his spine.
Didn't Marty have a bit of a rough start too?
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
Ken Rutherford just got a shiver down his spine.
Didn't Marty have a bit of a rough start too?
He did, @Virgil always argued if you took the start out of his career ( and also a few bad patches at the end ) that he’d have had a test average of 56.
This argument can of course be made about any cricketer in history though.
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps tour to England:
Though there's the "Greatbatch of scones" debut from the 80's too.
Started with a hiss and a roar then settled into Black Caps stock standard territory as his career progressed.
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps tour to England:
Though there's the "Greatbatch of scones" debut from the 80's too.
Started with a hiss and a roar then settled into Black Caps stock standard territory as his career progressed.
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps tour to England:
Though there's the "Greatbatch of scones" debut from the 80's too.
Started with a hiss and a roar then settled into Black Caps stock standard territory as his career progressed.
Yep, sometimes the better debuts didn't translate into future form. Sinclair springs to mind.
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@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse Yeah - I worded that a bit inaccurately.
Whether the risk of a talented, slightly makeshift rookie test player in Conway outweighs the more limited, but more proven Blundell.
(In my mind, it probably does, because Blundell himself is a bit makeshift - and the Test Championship final is uncharted territory for everyone - including Kane, Rossco and Kohli!).
But, experience will trump lots of things, so I'm not onboard with playing Ravindra. I'd pick Santner (or maybe Ajaz) if we expect spinners to have some role, CdG if we can get away without a spinner.
Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants ......
Ken Rutherford just got a shiver down his spine.
@crucial said in Black Caps tour to England:
@rotated said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b said in Black Caps tour to England:
@crazy-horse Yeah - I worded that a bit inaccurately.
Whether the risk of a talented, slightly makeshift rookie test player in Conway outweighs the more limited, but more proven Blundell.
(In my mind, it probably does, because Blundell himself is a bit makeshift - and the Test Championship final is uncharted territory for everyone - including Kane, Rossco and Kohli!).
But, experience will trump lots of things, so I'm not onboard with playing Ravindra. I'd pick Santner (or maybe Ajaz) if we expect spinners to have some role, CdG if we can get away without a spinner.
Historically we have had some pretty good returns from test debutants ......
Ken Rutherford just got a shiver down his spine.
Ken had to face the might of the Windies at their peak in their back yard. A lesser man would have withered away after an experience like that
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@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps tour to England:
Though there's the "Greatbatch of scones" debut from the 80's too.
Started with a hiss and a roar then settled into Black Caps stock standard territory as his career progressed.
Yep, sometimes the better debuts didn't translate into future form. Sinclair springs to mind.
@donsteppa said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps tour to England:
Though there's the "Greatbatch of scones" debut from the 80's too.
Started with a hiss and a roar then settled into Black Caps stock standard territory as his career progressed.
Yep, sometimes the better debuts didn't translate into future form. Sinclair springs to mind.
No research obviously, but Lou Vincent as well?
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@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps tour to England:
Though there's the "Greatbatch of scones" debut from the 80's too.
Started with a hiss and a roar then settled into Black Caps stock standard territory as his career progressed.
Yep, sometimes the better debuts didn't translate into future form. Sinclair springs to mind.
@donsteppa said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps tour to England:
Though there's the "Greatbatch of scones" debut from the 80's too.
Started with a hiss and a roar then settled into Black Caps stock standard territory as his career progressed.
Yep, sometimes the better debuts didn't translate into future form. Sinclair springs to mind.
Two double hundreds in 12 tests from memory.
Which is why we should all be careful about fluffing Kyle Jamieson too much.
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps tour to England:
Though there's the "Greatbatch of scones" debut from the 80's too.
Started with a hiss and a roar then settled into Black Caps stock standard territory as his career progressed.
Yep, sometimes the better debuts didn't translate into future form. Sinclair springs to mind.
No research obviously, but Lou Vincent as well?
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
No research obviously, but Lou Vincent as well?
Yes. Sixth kiwi to get a ton on debut. Only the second to do it overseas.
Would have been handy when they decided that this was important at Lords:
"Vincent equalled the most runs scored in boundaries (118 runs in boundaries) by a batsman in an ODI innings, when he scored 172 against Zimbabwe on 24 August 2005." -
@nzzp said in Black Caps tour to England:
@chris-b wireless 4g? Starlink? There are options and alternatives...
From memory @Chris-B is in a bit of a black hole regarding connectivity
Chris, PM me your location again if you want. I'm not in the industry anymore but I do know my way around the maps including the rural ones that aren't easily located. Basically if the map shows something is available then place an order directly. Don't bother calling just order. That way the provisioning team has to tell you why the map is wrong.@crucial Actually, I recently got quite a detailed map from udig - I daren't put in a few fence posts lest I put a shovel through the South Island's fibre optic cable. But as you suggested there is no duct - I talked to a Chorus guy who was at the gate inspecting stuff a couple of months ago.
I actually sent Spark that advice you gave me last time about VDSL quoting you as "a former Chorus Engineer told me...".
They emailed back saying "we will look into it" - and that was the last I heard.
I went through a Chorus online process and they emailed me - Sorry fibre isn't available, but good news - VDSL is available at your address - contact your IP. I sent that to Spark and still nothing!
I'll see if I can work out a way to order VDSL directly. Most times on Spark's website you just run up against a brick wall of sorry it's not available at your place, but you can have wireless.
@nzzp Unfortunately - even though I'm not actually in the sticks - we're in a hill shadow from the nearby cellphone tower, so you have to stand in the right spot to get (not good) phone coverage. My neighbour tried wireless, but it's no better than ADSL.
Maybe Starlink will solve the problem!
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@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
No research obviously, but Lou Vincent as well?
Yes. Sixth kiwi to get a ton on debut. Only the second to do it overseas.
Would have been handy when they decided that this was important at Lords:
"Vincent equalled the most runs scored in boundaries (118 runs in boundaries) by a batsman in an ODI innings, when he scored 172 against Zimbabwe on 24 August 2005."@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
No research obviously, but Lou Vincent as well?
Yes. Sixth kiwi to get a ton on debut. Only the second to do it overseas.
Would have been handy when they decided that this was important at Lords:
"Vincent equalled the most runs scored in boundaries (118 runs in boundaries) by a batsman in an ODI innings, when he scored 172 against Zimbabwe on 24 August 2005."Trigger bait
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@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
No research obviously, but Lou Vincent as well?
Yes. Sixth kiwi to get a ton on debut. Only the second to do it overseas.
Would have been handy when they decided that this was important at Lords:
"Vincent equalled the most runs scored in boundaries (118 runs in boundaries) by a batsman in an ODI innings, when he scored 172 against Zimbabwe on 24 August 2005."@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
No research obviously, but Lou Vincent as well?
Yes. Sixth kiwi to get a ton on debut. Only the second to do it overseas.
Would have been handy when they decided that this was important at Lords:
"Vincent equalled the most runs scored in boundaries (118 runs in boundaries) by a batsman in an ODI innings, when he scored 172 against Zimbabwe on 24 August 2005."What a scorecard it was against a ridiculously strong Aussie team too ! Some legends in that line up.....
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@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
No research obviously, but Lou Vincent as well?
Yes. Sixth kiwi to get a ton on debut. Only the second to do it overseas.
Would have been handy when they decided that this was important at Lords:
"Vincent equalled the most runs scored in boundaries (118 runs in boundaries) by a batsman in an ODI innings, when he scored 172 against Zimbabwe on 24 August 2005."Trigger bait
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@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour to England:
No research obviously, but Lou Vincent as well?
Yes. Sixth kiwi to get a ton on debut. Only the second to do it overseas.
Would have been handy when they decided that this was important at Lords:
"Vincent equalled the most runs scored in boundaries (118 runs in boundaries) by a batsman in an ODI innings, when he scored 172 against Zimbabwe on 24 August 2005."What a scorecard it was against a ridiculously strong Aussie team too ! Some legends in that line up.....
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@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
What a scorecard it was
Bizarre ay? Four centuries and nobody else in double figures (except the ever reliable extras).
@snowy said in Black Caps tour to England:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour to England:
What a scorecard it was
Bizarre ay? Four centuries and nobody else in double figures (except the ever reliable extras).
We competed against a team that strong. Every single player in that Aussie team was either an all time great ( Hayden, Ponting, S Waugh, Gilchrist, Warne, McGrath ) or “merely” very good ( Langer, M Waugh, Martyn, Lee, Gillespie )
