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2021 Māori All Blacks

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  • TimT Tim

    @nepia said in 2021 Māori All Blacks:

    I'm surprised not to see Zarn Sullivan there, unless he's a surprise AB inclusion.

    I assume ABs will supplement the squad even when named in the ABs.

    Curious that all the outside backs are from the Chiefs. You could hardly say that Stevenson or Trask were in-form.

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    @tim said in 2021 Māori All Blacks:

    @nepia said in 2021 Māori All Blacks:

    I'm surprised not to see Zarn Sullivan there, unless he's a surprise AB inclusion.

    I assume ABs will supplement the squad even when named in the ABs.

    Curious that all the outside backs are from the Chiefs. You could hardly say that Stevenson or Trask were in-form.

    Slim pickings really. CGB would have been nice to have.
    Zarn Sullivan is the big omission but that could be for other reasons.

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      @nepia said in 2021 Māori All Blacks:

      I'm surprised not to see Zarn Sullivan there, unless he's a surprise AB inclusion.

      I assume ABs will supplement the squad even when named in the ABs.

      Curious that all the outside backs are from the Chiefs. You could hardly say that Stevenson or Trask were in-form.

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      @tim It may have to do with the fact that the Chiefs have most Māori outside backs. There aren't that many in other squads. I can only think of Connor Garden-Bachop (injured), NMS (hardly played), Bryce Heem and Zarn Sullivan at other franchises (not including Rieko and Dmac, who'll be with the ABs).

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        Skipwith-Garland was used as a winger last year, which shows that the options are limited.

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        • BovidaeB Bovidae

          Skipwith-Garland was used as a winger last year, which shows that the options are limited.

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          @bovidae Yeah, he came in as an injury replacement for Jonah Lowe.

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            TTT and Poihipi are the backs from last year's initial squad that have missed out.

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            • BovidaeB Bovidae

              TTT and Poihipi are the backs from last year's initial squad that have missed out.

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              @bovidae Nock and Nankivell were injured, last December, weren't they?

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                @bovidae Nock and Nankivell were injured, last December, weren't they?

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                @stargazer Nankivell had a broken hand. After checking, Fletcher Smith was also in the squad but wasn't in the 23 that played.

                1.Pouri Rakete-Stones, 2.Ash Dixon (captain), 3.Josh Hohneck, 4.Isaia Walker-Leawere, 5.Manaaki Selby-Rickit, 6.Whetukamokamo Douglas, 7.Billy Harmon, 8.Liam Messam, 9.Bryn Hall, 10.Otere Black, 11.Sean Wainui, 12.Quinn Tupaea, 13.Billy Proctor, 14.Shaun Stevenson, 15.Kaleb Trask.

                Substitutes: 16.Kurt Eklund, 17.Ross Wright, 18.Tamaiti Williams, 19.Ethan Roots, 20.Mitchell Karpik, 21.Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi, 22.Rameka Poihipi, 23.Mathew Skipwith-Garland

                Wright was a late replacement for Renata.

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                  Not suggesting he should make the All Blacks, but does that exclusion of Heem from this squad suggest he could be in the running?

                  He's been playing well, and I would've thought he'd be there ahead of Stevenson and Lowe.

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                  • B bobily2

                    Not suggesting he should make the All Blacks, but does that exclusion of Heem from this squad suggest he could be in the running?

                    He's been playing well, and I would've thought he'd be there ahead of Stevenson and Lowe.

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                    @bobily2 said in 2021 Māori All Blacks:

                    Not suggesting he should make the All Blacks, but does that exclusion of Heem from this squad suggest he could be in the running?

                    He's been playing well, and I would've thought he'd be there ahead of Stevenson and Lowe.

                    Ugh I hope not

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                      Heem is on the wrong side of 30.

                      McMillan is being loyal to those players that have served him well in recent seasons. I have no problem with that.

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                        Is Heem Maori? I thought he was PI.

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                        • BovidaeB Bovidae

                          Heem is on the wrong side of 30.

                          McMillan is being loyal to those players that have served him well in recent seasons. I have no problem with that.

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                          @bovidae said in 2021 Māori All Blacks:

                          Heem is on the wrong side of 30.

                          McMillan is being loyal to those players that have served him well in recent seasons. I have no problem with that.

                          Short period of time to work stuff out as well.

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                          • StargazerS Stargazer

                            @bovidae Nock and Nankivell were injured, last December, weren't they?

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                            @stargazer yeah he did his hammy in the NPC semi final.

                            @Bovidae I dont think Ross Wright has even played for Wellsford this season yet.

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                            • NepiaN Nepia

                              Is Heem Maori? I thought he was PI.

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                              @nepia said in 2021 Māori All Blacks:

                              Is Heem Maori?

                              He's not.

                              https://www.teaomaori.news/akl-itms-bryce-heem-takes-field-against-former-team

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                              • NepiaN Nepia

                                Is Heem Maori? I thought he was PI.

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                                @nepia said in 2021 Māori All Blacks:

                                Is Heem Maori? I thought he was PI.

                                I was going to say "I don't know" (I named him more as someone who could be), but @Bovidae has already answered the question.

                                So even fewer outside backs to choose from.

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                                  The 2021 squad has been named:

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                                  Māori All Blacks Coach Clayton McMillan has named a strong squad ahead of their two-match series against Manu Samoa.

                                  It will be the first time the sides have met since 2008, with matches at Sky Stadium in Wellington (June 26) and an exciting double header alongside the All Blacks and Tonga at Mt Smart in Auckland (July 3).

                                  The squad features two debutants, 21-year-old Waikato and Chiefs prop Ollie Norris along with Otago and Highlanders loose forward Josh Dickson.

                                  McMillan is joined in the coaching group again by Roger Randle and for the first time, Chris Gibbes, from the Hurricanes.

                                  https://www.allblacks.com/news/established-squad-announced-for-maori-all-blacks-campaign/

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                                  @stargazer said in 2021 Māori All Blacks:

                                  The 2021 squad has been named:

                                  151ad9fa-4903-4deb-9988-964d2021faed-image.png

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                                  Māori All Blacks Coach Clayton McMillan has named a strong squad ahead of their two-match series against Manu Samoa.

                                  It will be the first time the sides have met since 2008, with matches at Sky Stadium in Wellington (June 26) and an exciting double header alongside the All Blacks and Tonga at Mt Smart in Auckland (July 3).

                                  The squad features two debutants, 21-year-old Waikato and Chiefs prop Ollie Norris along with Otago and Highlanders loose forward Josh Dickson.

                                  McMillan is joined in the coaching group again by Roger Randle and for the first time, Chris Gibbes, from the Hurricanes.

                                  https://www.allblacks.com/news/established-squad-announced-for-maori-all-blacks-campaign/

                                  So Pari Pari Parkinson won't be an All Black in July. He's been consistently good this year and I thought his frame and power could have been useful for the AB pack.

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                                    @stargazer said in 2021 Māori All Blacks:

                                    The 2021 squad has been named:

                                    151ad9fa-4903-4deb-9988-964d2021faed-image.png

                                    \

                                    Māori All Blacks Coach Clayton McMillan has named a strong squad ahead of their two-match series against Manu Samoa.

                                    It will be the first time the sides have met since 2008, with matches at Sky Stadium in Wellington (June 26) and an exciting double header alongside the All Blacks and Tonga at Mt Smart in Auckland (July 3).

                                    The squad features two debutants, 21-year-old Waikato and Chiefs prop Ollie Norris along with Otago and Highlanders loose forward Josh Dickson.

                                    McMillan is joined in the coaching group again by Roger Randle and for the first time, Chris Gibbes, from the Hurricanes.

                                    https://www.allblacks.com/news/established-squad-announced-for-maori-all-blacks-campaign/

                                    So Pari Pari Parkinson won't be an All Black in July. He's been consistently good this year and I thought his frame and power could have been useful for the AB pack.

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                                    @cgrant I've been underwhelmed by him, big unit but doesn't play like it.

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                                    • BovidaeB Bovidae

                                      @gt12 Maybe because their first game is on June 26. Perhaps they will add a couple of players once the AB squad is named?

                                      Edit: There is the bare minimum of hookers, halfbacks and loose forwards. And where does TJP fit in?

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                                      @bovidae I’ve heard that TJ is keen to make his return for Wellington in the NPC.

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                                        @bovidae I’ve heard that TJ is keen to make his return for Wellington in the NPC.

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                                        @canes4life said in 2021 Māori All Blacks:

                                        @bovidae I’ve heard that TJ is keen to make his return for Wellington in the NPC.

                                        So he can't play for the ABs or Maori before then. If TJP did play club rugby this weekend, in theory, he should then be eligible for both teams straight away.

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                                          @canes4life said in 2021 Māori All Blacks:

                                          @bovidae I’ve heard that TJ is keen to make his return for Wellington in the NPC.

                                          So he can't play for the ABs or Maori before then. If TJP did play club rugby this weekend, in theory, he should then be eligible for both teams straight away.

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                                          @bovidae wouldn’t be surprised at all if he played for Norths this weekend to give him that option but I’d be very surprised if he gets selected on Monday.

                                          I’ve heard he wants to play for Wellington, and fair play to him aswell. I feel all Japan based players should re-earn their stripes at provincial level so to speak before being selected in the ABs (unless injuries strike of course). But that’s just me.

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