Euros
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England have developed a strong squad. But they played too negative. The early goal should have spurred them on, but instead they tried to settle and were ultimately punished as a result. How Grealish doesn't play a greater part in their line up I don't know
Southgate has done a good job to get them where they are now, especially building discipline and a team first mentality. But they now need a better coach to build on the foundations he’s laid and actually harness the fantastic talent they’ve got
I personally think he should be kept on until the World Cup next year. Then see about his future.
He’s the first coach since 50 odd years to get them to a final, albeit via a poor Germany, a hapless Ukraine and a solid but unspectacular Denmark. But English have generally been rubbish in tournament football.
@billy-tell said in Euros:
But English have generally been rubbish in tournament football.
Actually, England have a pretty good record in major tournaments, regularly reaching the semi-final or quarter final stage. The problem has been getting further than that...and penalties.
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Not sure about Sterling taking a pen. Rashford and Sancho are regular penalty takers but I wouldn't want Sterling anywhere near one.
Southgate has to stay on for the World Cup. He's shown he can build a strong squad, get them playing to a pattern and he sticks with the players he trusts. No frantic panics of previous managers.
But the formation he uses against the top teams reverts to 7 at the back under pressure and England find themselves without the ball and no method to get up the pitch.
Kane is playing more and more like Sheringham but he doesn't have a Shearer ahead of him. Italy realised they just needed to crowd out England attacks to get the ball back.
Not sure on Grealish yet. He needs to play for a club in Europe and learn to move the ball on more. His default is to get the ball and move with it but he then gets crowded out.
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Not sure about Sterling taking a pen. Rashford and Sancho are regular penalty takers but I wouldn't want Sterling anywhere near one.
Southgate has to stay on for the World Cup. He's shown he can build a strong squad, get them playing to a pattern and he sticks with the players he trusts. No frantic panics of previous managers.
But the formation he uses against the top teams reverts to 7 at the back under pressure and England find themselves without the ball and no method to get up the pitch.
Kane is playing more and more like Sheringham but he doesn't have a Shearer ahead of him. Italy realised they just needed to crowd out England attacks to get the ball back.
Not sure on Grealish yet. He needs to play for a club in Europe and learn to move the ball on more. His default is to get the ball and move with it but he then gets crowded out.
Not sure on Grealish yet. He needs to play for a club in Europe and learn to move the ball on more. His default is to get the ball and move with it but he then gets crowded out.
Jack Grealish captains a club with the best spirit of any club side on earth where he is idolised and which he supported as a kid. He created more chances than any England player in this tournament apart from Sterling. Villa's goalkeeper just won the Copa America. Not sure why he should move.
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Not sure on Grealish yet. He needs to play for a club in Europe and learn to move the ball on more. His default is to get the ball and move with it but he then gets crowded out.
Jack Grealish captains a club with the best spirit of any club side on earth where he is idolised and which he supported as a kid. He created more chances than any England player in this tournament apart from Sterling. Villa's goalkeeper just won the Copa America. Not sure why he should move.
Not sure on Grealish yet. He needs to play for a club in Europe and learn to move the ball on more. His default is to get the ball and move with it but he then gets crowded out.
Jack Grealish captains a club with the best spirit of any club side on earth where he is idolised and which he supported as a kid. He created more chances than any England player in this tournament apart from Sterling. Villa's goalkeeper just won the Copa America. Not sure why he should move.
I'm not saying he should move, just that he needs to play at the highest level at a better team where he isn't the main star. England didn't create many chances and Grealish only came on as a sub when the games were more open.
I actually think he is a great player but England can't build a side around him right now.
I also think Rashford should move or else he needs a coach who will get the best out of his talents.
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I’ve always thought that penalty takers should be selected based on temperament and that strikers are not always the best in these situations. Andy Brehme took the penalty for Germany in the 1990 final and didn’t ManU always have that Mr Bean looking defender take their penalties (Irwin wasn’t it). Some of the best players in the world have bottled it. Sometimes your boring, plodding defender who never scores goals is better in that situation than a flashy striker.
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@rancid-schnitzel to your point Harry Maguire absolutely smashed his penalty shot.
@kiwimurph said in Euros:
@rancid-schnitzel to your point Harry Maguire absolutely smashed his penalty shot.
Bonucci's penalty was good too for a defender.
If you take a penalty the best options are smashing the ball into the top corner or passing the ball along the floor into the side netting. Anything 1 m or so off the ground is easier for the GK to get a hand to. Even Jorginho missed.
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@kiwimurph said in Euros:
@rancid-schnitzel to your point Harry Maguire absolutely smashed his penalty shot.
Bonucci's penalty was good too for a defender.
If you take a penalty the best options are smashing the ball into the top corner or passing the ball along the floor into the side netting. Anything 1 m or so off the ground is easier for the GK to get a hand to. Even Jorginho missed.
@kiwimurph said in Euros:
@rancid-schnitzel to your point Harry Maguire absolutely smashed his penalty shot.
Bonucci's penalty was good too for a defender.
If you take a penalty the best options are smashing the ball into the top corner or passing the ball along the floor into the side netting. Anything 1 m or so off the ground is easier for the GK to get a hand to. Even Jorginho missed.
Rashford tried to pass it into the corner. His hesitation move had the keeper beaten but he just missed the target
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@mikethesnow said in Euros:
Wow, talk about putting yourself on a non existent pedestal.
Cardiff and Swansea fans are very famous for being such lovely people.
Dickheads everywhere, nobody is immune.
@majorrage said in Euros:
@mikethesnow said in Euros:
Wow, talk about putting yourself on a non existent pedestal.
Cardiff and Swansea fans are very famous for being such lovely people.
Dickheads everywhere, nobody is immune.
Very true, but at national level we’ve been good boys
Especially in other people’s houses
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Speaking of pedestals, it must be nice to have massive public support after failing so spectacularly on the second biggest stage - mainly looking at Southgate here but the players too. Imagine if the fans had been well-behaved and the racist had kept their thoughts to themselves - knives would well and truly be out.
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Speaking of pedestals, it must be nice to have massive public support after failing so spectacularly on the second biggest stage - mainly looking at Southgate here but the players too. Imagine if the fans had been well-behaved and the racist had kept their thoughts to themselves - knives would well and truly be out.
Speaking of pedestals, it must be nice to have massive public support after failing so spectacularly on the second biggest stage - mainly looking at Southgate here but the players too. Imagine if the fans had been well-behaved and the racist had kept their thoughts to themselves - knives would well and truly be out.
Not sure they failed spectacularly. They all but won the tournament and lost narrowly to a very strong Italian outfit. They certainly came nearer to winning a big championship than a England football has done in more than 50 years.
The England squad is young and will always get better. Phil Foden and Jaden Sancho in particularly have the talent to become world-class players. Stones and Maguire will last another six years. They were missing the injured Liverpool duo of Joe Gomez and Trent Alexander-Arnold. I think they can approach Qatar 2022 and Germany 2024 with a lot of confidence.
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Speaking of pedestals, it must be nice to have massive public support after failing so spectacularly on the second biggest stage - mainly looking at Southgate here but the players too. Imagine if the fans had been well-behaved and the racist had kept their thoughts to themselves - knives would well and truly be out.
Not sure they failed spectacularly. They all but won the tournament and lost narrowly to a very strong Italian outfit. They certainly came nearer to winning a big championship than a England football has done in more than 50 years.
The England squad is young and will always get better. Phil Foden and Jaden Sancho in particularly have the talent to become world-class players. Stones and Maguire will last another six years. They were missing the injured Liverpool duo of Joe Gomez and Trent Alexander-Arnold. I think they can approach Qatar 2022 and Germany 2024 with a lot of confidence.
@sparky
Wrong choice of words, failing so dramatically?It was a choke anyway, even if they weren't the better side, they choked. I actually think they had a very good side and will be one of the favourites for the world cup. Need a different manager though in my opinion, but now he is seemingly in the clear.
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@sparky
Wrong choice of words, failing so dramatically?It was a choke anyway, even if they weren't the better side, they choked. I actually think they had a very good side and will be one of the favourites for the world cup. Need a different manager though in my opinion, but now he is seemingly in the clear.
@mofitzy_ I think it was a big mistake for Southgate to choose his kickers based purely on their performance in training Vs experience in the real world. Penalty shoot outs mostly a mental thing, those 2 young guys had never done it before art a high level.
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@mofitzy_ I think it was a big mistake for Southgate to choose his kickers based purely on their performance in training Vs experience in the real world. Penalty shoot outs mostly a mental thing, those 2 young guys had never done it before art a high level.
@machpants said in Euros:
@mofitzy_ I think it was a big mistake for Southgate to choose his kickers based purely on their performance in training Vs experience in the real world. Penalty shoot outs mostly a mental thing, those 2 young guys had never done it before art a high level.
That and Kane massively underperforming the reasons England lost
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@machpants said in Euros:
@mofitzy_ I think it was a big mistake for Southgate to choose his kickers based purely on their performance in training Vs experience in the real world. Penalty shoot outs mostly a mental thing, those 2 young guys had never done it before art a high level.
That and Kane massively underperforming the reasons England lost
@mikethesnow said in Euros:
@machpants said in Euros:
@mofitzy_ I think it was a big mistake for Southgate to choose his kickers based purely on their performance in training Vs experience in the real world. Penalty shoot outs mostly a mental thing, those 2 young guys had never done it before art a high level.
That and Kane massively underperforming the reasons England lost
He did score a decent amount of goals in the knockout games, and it was his pass to Trippier that led to Shaw's goal IIRC. And it wasn't the first of those passes from the EPL's assist and goal scoring leader for 2020-21....
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@machpants said in Euros:
@mofitzy_ I think it was a big mistake for Southgate to choose his kickers based purely on their performance in training Vs experience in the real world. Penalty shoot outs mostly a mental thing, those 2 young guys had never done it before art a high level.
That and Kane massively underperforming the reasons England lost
@mikethesnow said in Euros:
@machpants said in Euros:
@mofitzy_ I think it was a big mistake for Southgate to choose his kickers based purely on their performance in training Vs experience in the real world. Penalty shoot outs mostly a mental thing, those 2 young guys had never done it before art a high level.
That and Kane massively underperforming the reasons England lost
I'm not a hueg Kane fan but it is tough to blame him for the loss - unless he was disobeying instructions to come deep. There were times when he passed to give an option to cross but nobody was in the box (as he should be there). In the second half, 7 of the 10 players were defending deep and those up front were just crowded out whenever they got the ball as there was nobody to pass to.
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@mikethesnow said in Euros:
@machpants said in Euros:
@mofitzy_ I think it was a big mistake for Southgate to choose his kickers based purely on their performance in training Vs experience in the real world. Penalty shoot outs mostly a mental thing, those 2 young guys had never done it before art a high level.
That and Kane massively underperforming the reasons England lost
I'm not a hueg Kane fan but it is tough to blame him for the loss - unless he was disobeying instructions to come deep. There were times when he passed to give an option to cross but nobody was in the box (as he should be there). In the second half, 7 of the 10 players were defending deep and those up front were just crowded out whenever they got the ball as there was nobody to pass to.
That's the way he played for Spurs. He's more of a threat that way
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