All Blacks vs Fiji
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Really enjoyed this contest ,seeing another repeat of last week would have done nothing for anyone..
Fiji really bought it physically showing the benefits of many of their forwards especially playing in France and Europe in general but I suspect being stuck in isolation and lack preparation finally told especially in and around breakdown accuracy and discipline..All Blacks looked better when both Whitelock and Coles were on the field ..but in terms of consistency I thought Ethan Blackadder playing in the unfamiliar jersey was very solid ..biggest disappointments to me where Sotutu,Tuipulotu and Frizzell..@steven-harris Yeah, thought Sotutu was up and down, did some good things but wasn't his best outing in Black. The less said about Frizell the better, and yeah, sadly Tuipulotu has not been consistent in Black. Love the guy and what he's done for the Blues, but he hasn't been at his best at test level.
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@number9 eh? Our bench was the only good thing in that game from our POV.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@number9 eh? Our bench was the only good thing in that game from our POV.
Bench like coaching was shite, this is the ABs that was pathetic. Coles scored 4 and thr Fijian scored through a rolling maul.
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@stargazer I wont click into the twitter feed, but most will probably say it is ok and Kiwi thugs deserved it....
shame if the Fijians lose him, which they should.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@stargazer I wont click into the twitter feed, but most will probably say it is ok and Kiwi thugs deserved it....
shame if the Fijians lose him, which they should.
No, to the contrary. Most people in the comments say that it should have been a red card.
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@no-quarter small rugby nation, no preparation, country in tatters with COVID, history…fantastic I reckon.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@no-quarter small rugby nation, no preparation, country in tatters with COVID, history…fantastic I reckon.
Not saying they shouldn't be proud of their efforts, especially given the circumstances. I'm just saying it's a recurring theme for NZers like Smithy when interviewing opposition players, who are professional athletes, telling them how proud they should he for even donning the field against the mighty ABs. It's a condescending line of questioning when they should be talking about what went wrong and what they can work on to come back stronger next week.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
https://twitter.com/ultimaterugby/status/1413774101307695106
Should have been a straight red.
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@tim said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
An idiot:
He should have retired in 2015. Although that might have inflicted Foster on us even earlier.
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@stargazer know it looks bad. But McKenzie drops in tackle, and primary contact was body on body with arm wrapping high. If he had hit him with arm in the head he would have lost a week.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
https://twitter.com/ultimaterugby/status/1413774101307695106
High and no arms
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@number9 eh? Our bench was the only good thing in that game from our POV.
Bench like coaching was shite, this is the ABs that was pathetic. Coles scored 4 and thr Fijian scored through a rolling maul.
@number9 said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@number9 eh? Our bench was the only good thing in that game from our POV.
Bench like coaching was shite, this is the ABs that was pathetic. Coles scored 4 and thr Fijian scored through a rolling maul.
dominated the maul enough to ge ta penalty try - that's some good forward work right there. This Fiji side could be a dark horse if they get some time together, some very good players there, and some very good coaches.
Vern Cotter is a seriously good coach with strnog pedigree.
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@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
https://twitter.com/ultimaterugby/status/1413774101307695106
Clear red card.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
I don't agree with any of this, yellow all day for me.
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I’m really liking Blackadder the Younger. I’d love to see him, Dalton and Akira in the loose. Then bring on Ardie in the second half. Frizzell just doesn’t have it and I’m leaning that way on Sotutu.
It’s a bit concerning that 50 year old Sam Whitelock is the best lock by a proverbial country mile. Hopefully Retallick can get back to speed. Patty T isn’t consistent enough and Scott B gets sent off.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
@kev guess the thing is, Dmac is already a lower target, he was low before the guy even lined him up...ideally, for the game next week he doesnt cop a ban because he is a good player, but in reality, I cant see how he doesnt get a break.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
@kev said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
Process is pretty clear though - head contact, high degree of danger, it's red or maaaybe yellow. World Rugby are trying to take these hits out of the game,a nd putting the responsibility on teh tackler. It's only going to work if people actually believe that anyone who goes high is going to get pinged - otherwise the risk/reward is unbalanced.
It's ... just that they don't seem to care to apply their own framework.
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@tj said Just realised, weren't they meant to have 'vaccinate Fiji' on their jerseys?
Dumb ass Religious anti vacc influence sadly -
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/300354390/its-a-tragedy-fijian-team-ditches-plan-to-wear-vaccinate-jerseys-against-all-blacks -
@kev said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@kev Last camera angle shows direct contact with the head. Dmac lowering body position is mitigation. I think it should have been a yellow.
My main thing was initial contact was body to body and he didn’t aim high. Mixed thoughts - protect the player, but for me it was a great dominant tackle. That’s what Rugby is about.
Process is pretty clear though - head contact, high degree of danger, it's red or maaaybe yellow. World Rugby are trying to take these hits out of the game,a nd putting the responsibility on teh tackler. It's only going to work if people actually believe that anyone who goes high is going to get pinged - otherwise the risk/reward is unbalanced.
It's ... just that they don't seem to care to apply their own framework.
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Really liked Fijian energy with and with out ball.
For ABs, many things worry me but most worrying is: surely we wouldn't put out a far better team against Tonga? Or is that a clever Foster tactic?Props, cupboard is bare and replacements aren't hungry enough (liked De Groot's mobility though)
Locks: Whitelock 1st on the team list for me.
Blackadder I suspect better at 6 than 7
Dalton best 7 over 2 games and probably would make one of the better 6s (SF looks the part doesn't play the part)
Jacobson>Sotutu and don't play HS with SF
10: BB's kicking and some optiontaking still worries me. Don't think Richie will be too worried but again he still needs to prove he can insert himself in tough matches.
12/13 DH and ALB for me. Ioane still needs to pass and defend consistently.
We don't know who our wings are, best creator was the replacement hooker.
FB: not such a worry, plenty of contenders.
Coaching: highly consistent. Consistently mediocre.@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Really liked Fijian energy with and with out ball.
For ABs, many things worry me but most worrying is: surely we wouldn't put out a far better team against Tonga? Or is that a clever Foster tactic?Props, cupboard is bare and replacements aren't hungry enough (liked De Groot's mobility though)
Locks: Whitelock 1st on the team list for me.
Blackadder I suspect better at 6 than 7
Dalton best 7 over 2 games and probably would make one of the better 6s (SF looks the part doesn't play the part)
Jacobson>Sotutu and don't play HS with SF
10: BB's kicking and some optiontaking still worries me. Don't think Richie will be too worried but again he still needs to prove he can insert himself in tough matches.
12/13 DH and ALB for me. Ioane still needs to pass and defend consistently.
We don't know who our wings are, best creator was the replacement hooker.
FB: not such a worry, plenty of contenders.
Coaching: highly consistent. Consistently mediocre.Great analysis spot on IMO
