Super Rugby 2022
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@Nepia said in SF Blues v Brumbies:
@Donsteppa said in SF Blues v Brumbies:
Brumbies were always going to fuck this game up with a poor man's Bryn Gatland at first five.
As a Chiefs fan I object to that. I think Gatland is a poor mans Lolesio..
Teams pretty much ended up in order of first-fives as is usually the case in Super. Comes down to the battle of RM v BB
Reds fell apart without JOC. Tahs young fella has a fair bit to learn. Same with Canes best option. Gatland/Ioane/Lolosio all about the same
If I had to rank the best 10s from each team I'd end up with a list that closely resembled the team RR table (ignoring those teams where the overall weakness made it too hard for a 10 to influence wins e.g. MP)
Absolutely you need a good team AND a good 10, but that 10 is the difference.
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@Nepia said in SF Blues v Brumbies:
@Donsteppa said in SF Blues v Brumbies:
Brumbies were always going to fuck this game up with a poor man's Bryn Gatland at first five.
As a Chiefs fan I object to that. I think Gatland is a poor mans Lolesio..
Teams pretty much ended up in order of first-fives as is usually the case in Super. Comes down to the battle of RM v BB
Reds fell apart without JOC. Tahs young fella has a fair bit to learn. Same with Canes best option. Gatland/Ioane/Lolosio all about the same
If I had to rank the best 10s from each team I'd end up with a list that closely resembled the team RR table (ignoring those teams where the overall weakness made it too hard for a 10 to influence wins e.g. MP)
Absolutely you need a good team AND a good 10, but that 10 is the difference.
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2022:
Absolutely you need a good team AND a good 10, but that 10 is the difference.
Spot on I think. The Blues 10s have had talent, but with a garbage administration around them, they've struggled.
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@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2022:
Absolutely you need a good team AND a good 10, but that 10 is the difference.
Spot on I think. The Blues 10s have had talent, but with a garbage administration around them, they've struggled.
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2022:
Absolutely you need a good team AND a good 10, but that 10 is the difference.
Spot on I think. The Blues 10s have had talent, but with a garbage administration around them, they've struggled.
I wonder if it took having BB at training for Perofeta to finally click. His talent was obvious from early on (Perofuture) but the 'future' part took some time and had little upward trajectory for a while. Since BB has been there his game jumped up a level or two.
Chiefs or Canes with the new improved Perofeta would be a much harder proposition.
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2022:
Absolutely you need a good team AND a good 10, but that 10 is the difference.
Spot on I think. The Blues 10s have had talent, but with a garbage administration around them, they've struggled.
I wonder if it took having BB at training for Perofeta to finally click. His talent was obvious from early on (Perofuture) but the 'future' part took some time and had little upward trajectory for a while. Since BB has been there his game jumped up a level or two.
Chiefs or Canes with the new improved Perofeta would be a much harder proposition.
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2022:
@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2022:
Absolutely you need a good team AND a good 10, but that 10 is the difference.
Spot on I think. The Blues 10s have had talent, but with a garbage administration around them, they've struggled.
I wonder if it took having BB at training for Perofeta to finally click.
That, and time. Asking 10s to come in and turn teams around is incredibly hard. I've just posted in the Blues 2022 thread, but the new board in Feb 2019 was massive for us.
Remember, people (including me) thought Perofeta was a wash, and the critique of Beaudy being on sabbatical was massive. Our record has been steadily improving:
2018 4-12
2019 5-1-10
2020 5-2
2021 4-4 and 5-0
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@nzzp said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2022:
Absolutely you need a good team AND a good 10, but that 10 is the difference.
Spot on I think. The Blues 10s have had talent, but with a garbage administration around them, they've struggled.
I wonder if it took having BB at training for Perofeta to finally click. His talent was obvious from early on (Perofuture) but the 'future' part took some time and had little upward trajectory for a while. Since BB has been there his game jumped up a level or two.
Chiefs or Canes with the new improved Perofeta would be a much harder proposition.
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2022:
I wonder if it took having BB at training for Perofeta to finally click. His talent was obvious from early on (Perofuture) but the 'future' part took some time and had little upward trajectory for a while. Since BB has been there his game jumped up a level or two.
Perofeta talked about the dynamic with BB a few days ago
“I’ve always idolised him,” he said of the 101-test All Black who missed last year's Super Rugby competition for his Japan sabbatical. “He’s a great player. I had a mindset shift of how can I better myself through his experience? The biggest barrier I had to break down was just to ask for help … so I’m clear and he’s clear on what we need from each other. “Once I broke that we started to build that relationship that is really having positive spinoffs on the field.” -
oh, good, and we're back here
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
oh, good, and we're back here
I only clicked on it to check that it was 2022 and not any of the cookie-cutter articles from previous years.
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
oh, good, and we're back here
I only clicked on it to check that it was 2022 and not any of the cookie-cutter articles from previous years.
@NTA said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
oh, good, and we're back here
I only clicked on it to check that it was 2022 and not any of the cookie-cutter articles from previous years.
If the Brumbies had a home final there would be none of this talk. You want more interest and more money? Be better.
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It's not surprising and to be honest I can see why Rugby Australia are thinking what they are.
Last year they got 40k for their domestic final and a large tv audience to watch Reds vs Brumbies decider.
This year they got one home quarter final.
Throw in the broadcasting $ issue + that RA under their current management like to negotiate through the media and here we are.
You could see this coming when RA only signed up to the trans-tasman Super comp for 2 years.
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This is the same Fox, who wouldn't pay RA enough to broadcast rugby in Australia. Nine/Stan probably paid unders for the deal.
@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
This is the same Fox, who wouldn't pay RA enough to broadcast rugby in Australia. Nine/Stan probably paid unders for the deal.
I think they paid what it was worth at the time in a buyer's market.
And yes, Fox can go and get fucked.
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It's not surprising and to be honest I can see why Rugby Australia are thinking what they are.
Last year they got 40k for their domestic final and a large tv audience to watch Reds vs Brumbies decider.
This year they got one home quarter final.
Throw in the broadcasting $ issue + that RA under their current management like to negotiate through the media and here we are.
You could see this coming when RA only signed up to the trans-tasman Super comp for 2 years.
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2022:
It's not surprising and to be honest I can see why Rugby Australia are thinking what they are.
Last year they got 40k for their domestic final and a large tv audience to watch Reds vs Brumbies decider.
This year they got one home quarter final.
Throw in the broadcasting $ issue + that RA under their current management like to negotiate through the media and here we are.
You could see this coming when RA only signed up to the trans-tasman Super comp for 2 years.
and they need to do something to raise the profile before hosting the RWC
Its also mad to think there is nothing between the guys i manage in melbourne and a super contract
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so, here the question for me....if a pacific super rugby comp was taking off the table....no wants to play with us....do we think a 5/6 team NZ super comp is the best was forward or a "full strength" NPC and flag the franchises
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so, here the question for me....if a pacific super rugby comp was taking off the table....no wants to play with us....do we think a 5/6 team NZ super comp is the best was forward or a "full strength" NPC and flag the franchises
@Kiwiwomble a 5 team comp is already boring....but I think the NPC as the main vehicle for NZR is too far gone, so yeah.
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so, here the question for me....if a pacific super rugby comp was taking off the table....no wants to play with us....do we think a 5/6 team NZ super comp is the best was forward or a "full strength" NPC and flag the franchises
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
so, here the question for me....if a pacific super rugby comp was taking off the table....no wants to play with us....do we think a 5/6 team NZ super comp is the best was forward or a "full strength" NPC and flag the franchises
no
and this is why i reckon, for all their talk, NZRU will blink.
Super Rugby Aotearoa is completely unsustainable. They would need to create a new comp from scratch for the first half of the year. Or tear up the entire structure and start again. And that will never happen.
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@Kiwiwomble a 5 team comp is already boring....but I think the NPC as the main vehicle for NZR is too far gone, so yeah.
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble a 5 team comp is already boring....but I think the NPC as the main vehicle for NZR is too far gone, so yeah.
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
so, here the question for me....if a pacific super rugby comp was taking off the table....no wants to play with us....do we think a 5/6 team NZ super comp is the best was forward or a "full strength" NPC and flag the franchises
no
and this is why i reckon, for all their talk, NZRU will blink.
Super Rugby Aotearoa is completely unsustainable. They would need to create a new comp from scratch for the first half of the year. Or tear up the entire structure and start again. And that will never happen.
ok, at least im not crazy thinking SRA, even with a sixth team, is going to achieve little except wear out and bruise out top players
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
so, here the question for me....if a pacific super rugby comp was taking off the table....no wants to play with us....do we think a 5/6 team NZ super comp is the best was forward or a "full strength" NPC and flag the franchises
no
and this is why i reckon, for all their talk, NZRU will blink.
Super Rugby Aotearoa is completely unsustainable. They would need to create a new comp from scratch for the first half of the year. Or tear up the entire structure and start again. And that will never happen.
@mariner4life 10 team competition?
North Harbour+Northland
Auckland+CM
MP
Waikato
BOP
Central Vikings
Wellington
Ta$man
Canterbury
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@mariner4life 10 team competition?
North Harbour+Northland
Auckland+CM
MP
Waikato
BOP
Central Vikings
Wellington
Ta$man
Canterbury
Otago@Tim said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life 10 team competition?
North Harbour+Northland
Auckland+CM
MP
Waikato
BOP
Central Vikings
Wellington
Ta$man
Canterbury
Otagolooks good
Love having North Auckland back
And the Vikings
And the South Central Vikings
One assumes Otago includes Southland (i know, who cares)
