Super Rugby 2022
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
Vax rates on both sides of the Ta$man are massively high. If you want people to play trans-tasman sport, let them fucking move between countries FFS.
I don't get this at all either. Just put in place some guidelines for professional sports people to meet (e.g., bubbles, hotel stays paid for by the teams etc) then have separate guidelines for separating cases. The rest of the world has been managing this for ages, but NZ can't? it's a bit embarrassing as NZ is starting to look like it's got no idea except to close the doors and hope (again).
to be fair it's not just NZ
Super Rugby TT also has to deal with Qld and WA
Although Palletjack has repeatedly shown she'll do anything go hold sport here.
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
Vax rates on both sides of the Ta$man are massively high. If you want people to play trans-tasman sport, let them fucking move between countries FFS.
I don't get this at all either. Just put in place some guidelines for professional sports people to meet (e.g., bubbles, hotel stays paid for by the teams etc) then have separate guidelines for separating cases. The rest of the world has been managing this for ages, but NZ can't? it's a bit embarrassing as NZ is starting to look like it's got no idea except to close the doors and hope (again).
to be fair it's not just NZ
Super Rugby TT also has to deal with Qld and WA
Although Palletjack has repeatedly shown she'll do anything go hold sport here.
as long as she doesn't have to share an event, all or nothing
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
Vax rates on both sides of the Ta$man are massively high. If you want people to play trans-tasman sport, let them fucking move between countries FFS.
I don't get this at all either. Just put in place some guidelines for professional sports people to meet (e.g., bubbles, hotel stays paid for by the teams etc) then have separate guidelines for separating cases. The rest of the world has been managing this for ages, but NZ can't? it's a bit embarrassing as NZ is starting to look like it's got no idea except to close the doors and hope (again).
@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
Vax rates on both sides of the Ta$man are massively high. If you want people to play trans-tasman sport, let them fucking move between countries FFS.
I don't get this at all either. Just put in place some guidelines for professional sports people to meet (e.g., bubbles, hotel stays paid for by the teams etc) then have separate guidelines for separating cases. The rest of the world has been managing this for ages, but NZ can't? it's a bit embarrassing as NZ is starting to look like it's got no idea except to close the doors and hope (again).
starting to?
A trans Ta$man bubble is surely not this difficult to implement.
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
Vax rates on both sides of the Ta$man are massively high. If you want people to play trans-tasman sport, let them fucking move between countries FFS.
I don't get this at all either. Just put in place some guidelines for professional sports people to meet (e.g., bubbles, hotel stays paid for by the teams etc) then have separate guidelines for separating cases. The rest of the world has been managing this for ages, but NZ can't? it's a bit embarrassing as NZ is starting to look like it's got no idea except to close the doors and hope (again).
starting to?
A trans Ta$man bubble is surely not this difficult to implement.
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@antipodean once bitten...
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@antipodean once bitten...
IT'S NOT FUCKING JUNE ANYMORE THE ENTIRE FUCKING LANDSCAPE HAS CHANGED!!!!!
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Preseason game:
Fri 11 Feb 2022 - 5.30pm - Lansdowne Park, Blenheim
Crusaders v Hurricaneshttps://www.crusaders.co.nz/latest/news/crusaders-heading-to-blenheim-for-second-pre-season-fixture/
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no fucking shit sherlock....basing another team in between the too most closely located existing teams could cause issues?
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no fucking shit sherlock....basing another team in between the too most closely located existing teams could cause issues?
@kiwiwomble plenty of very good players have been missed by the Blues and thats with only one team in Auckland .
I could write a list on the number of players that have been overlooked by the Blues over the years only to end up becoming rockstars with other NZ teams .all of a sudden they start worrying about another super franchise on their door step..
Deary me …still plenty of talent to go around but thats if you have the eye to select it and thats been a major problem -
@kiwiwomble plenty of very good players have been missed by the Blues and thats with only one team in Auckland .
I could write a list on the number of players that have been overlooked by the Blues over the years only to end up becoming rockstars with other NZ teams .all of a sudden they start worrying about another super franchise on their door step..
Deary me …still plenty of talent to go around but thats if you have the eye to select it and thats been a major problem@steven-harris Yep, and it's not like all those MP players come from the Blues catchment, either. I know at least 8, who don't ...
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no fucking shit sherlock....basing another team in between the too most closely located existing teams could cause issues?
@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
no fucking shit sherlock....basing another team in between the too most closely located existing teams could cause issues?
I think MP decreases the player depth of all NZ franchises. That's not something just for the Blues to worry and complain about. If I were the Blues management, I'd be more concerned about the fact that they now have to share potential spectators with MP if both franchises have a home game in the same weekend. The majority of people already struggle to pay for tickets to one game, let alone, two games a weekend. The Blues will lose part of their Pasifika supporters; the question is how many ...
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no fucking shit sherlock....basing another team in between the too most closely located existing teams could cause issues?
@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
no fucking shit sherlock....basing another team in between the too most closely located existing teams could cause issues?
Half the population of Auckland alone is still more than any other (edit NZ) franchises fan/player base.
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Obviously that’s all true, I was really just saying this is kind of bleeding obvious
if the blues have struggled to identify talent previously, and of course I know this as the landers have benefited more than once from it, but you put another option on the doorstep of these players that have maybe wanted to stay around Auckland due to family say….
It’s more just funny that the article makes it seem like the blues have just realised this is the situation
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I can't be the only one who finds it extremely dumb that the draw is only 2 extra rounds from being a complete round-robin?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2022_Super_Rugby_Pacific_matches#Round_1
They've stated it'll be 14 matches for each team, which means everyone plays everyone twice (except 2 random teams) home/away.
Instead, if all teams played 16 matches (as was the case pre-Covid..) then everyone could play everyone twice as it should've been?
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I can't be the only one who finds it extremely dumb that the draw is only 2 extra rounds from being a complete round-robin?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2022_Super_Rugby_Pacific_matches#Round_1
They've stated it'll be 14 matches for each team, which means everyone plays everyone twice (except 2 random teams) home/away.
Instead, if all teams played 16 matches (as was the case pre-Covid..) then everyone could play everyone twice as it should've been?
@kiwi_expat i would rather see a full round robin and loose a couple of AB's games, super rugby gets more credibility and AB's overload eases off,
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I can't be the only one who finds it extremely dumb that the draw is only 2 extra rounds from being a complete round-robin?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2022_Super_Rugby_Pacific_matches#Round_1
They've stated it'll be 14 matches for each team, which means everyone plays everyone twice (except 2 random teams) home/away.
Instead, if all teams played 16 matches (as was the case pre-Covid..) then everyone could play everyone twice as it should've been?
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
I can't be the only one who finds it extremely dumb that the draw is only 2 extra rounds from being a complete round-robin?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2022_Super_Rugby_Pacific_matches#Round_1
They've stated it'll be 14 matches for each team, which means everyone plays everyone twice (except 2 random teams) home/away.
Instead, if all teams played 16 matches (as was the case pre-Covid..) then everyone could play everyone twice as it should've been?
Sorry a full play each other twice is 22 weeks. Everyone plays everyone once apart from 3 teams you play twice
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
I can't be the only one who finds it extremely dumb that the draw is only 2 extra rounds from being a complete round-robin?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2022_Super_Rugby_Pacific_matches#Round_1
They've stated it'll be 14 matches for each team, which means everyone plays everyone twice (except 2 random teams) home/away.
Instead, if all teams played 16 matches (as was the case pre-Covid..) then everyone could play everyone twice as it should've been?
Sorry a full play each other twice is 22 weeks. Everyone plays everyone once apart from 3 teams you play twice
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I suspect the NZPA pushed for a reduced number of NZ derbies (hence the half-baked draw). It doesn't make sense to me.
Why are we pushing for less games? The French players who recently walloped us... endure 30+ club matches every season.
We have European Champions Cup happening right now, in addition to the 23 round English Premiership & 19 round URC.
Having less rounds of Super Rugby in a dramatically reduced season (in 2020) didn't provide an advantage to NZ's players when the internationals came around - ironically some players appeared underdone & rusty from too little franchise rugby in 2020.
It didn't give us an advantage in 2021 either. Also, remember that prior to Covid - our players regularly traversed continents (for both Super Rugby & RC fixtures) 11+ hour flights and Super Rugby went for 18 rounds, followed by a complete knockout format...
Foster's constantly cited "player fatigue" excuses during his tenure seems like a particularly bizarre cop-out considering that (since his appointment) our players due to Covid... have been playing less Super Rugby matches and are no longer travelling between continents - to South Africa & Argentina - no longer crossing multiple time-zone's regularly... with those franchises, nor with the All Blacks during the Rugby Championship...
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I suspect the NZPA pushed for a reduced number of NZ derbies (hence the half-baked draw). It doesn't make sense to me.
Why are we pushing for less games? The French players who recently walloped us... endure 30+ club matches every season.
We have European Champions Cup happening right now, in addition to the 23 round English Premiership & 19 round URC.
Having less rounds of Super Rugby in a dramatically reduced season (in 2020) didn't provide an advantage to NZ's players when the internationals came around - ironically some players appeared underdone & rusty from too little franchise rugby in 2020.
It didn't give us an advantage in 2021 either. Also, remember that prior to Covid - our players regularly traversed continents (for both Super Rugby & RC fixtures) 11+ hour flights and Super Rugby went for 18 rounds, followed by a complete knockout format...
Foster's constantly cited "player fatigue" excuses during his tenure seems like a particularly bizarre cop-out considering that (since his appointment) our players due to Covid... have been playing less Super Rugby matches and are no longer travelling between continents - to South Africa & Argentina - no longer crossing multiple time-zone's regularly... with those franchises, nor with the All Blacks during the Rugby Championship...
@kiwi_expat French teams are only expected to win at home, they pretty much give up when away
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New Zealand Rugby were making no comment on latest border developments, saying Tuesday’s announcement had not changed the situation regarding Super Rugby Pacific.
Head of professional rugby Chris Lendrum has already indicated that the competition was now likely to be front-loaded with “local” games in New Zealand and Australia, with cross-border clashes to follow as borders reopen. They have said they hope to have the new draw out before Christmas, and are still working to that timeline.
Given the volatility of the situation, and the New Zealand Government’s hesitancy in opening borders, even that might be an optimistic proposition.
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New Zealand Rugby were making no comment on latest border developments, saying Tuesday’s announcement had not changed the situation regarding Super Rugby Pacific.
Head of professional rugby Chris Lendrum has already indicated that the competition was now likely to be front-loaded with “local” games in New Zealand and Australia, with cross-border clashes to follow as borders reopen. They have said they hope to have the new draw out before Christmas, and are still working to that timeline.
Given the volatility of the situation, and the New Zealand Government’s hesitancy in opening borders, even that might be an optimistic proposition.
@tim I wonder if it's worth just moving the whole competition to NZ for the first half of the comp, and Aus for the second half? Or vice versa obviously.
It'd ensure everyone still gets their home and away games, and they should be able to find compromises between good times for TV and gate takings. The only real losses would be when local derbies are played on the wrong side of the ditch.
