AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass
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@act-crusader said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@dogmeat said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@act-crusader I wondered who would call me on the hypocrisy.
My own bias wants me to pick BJ Lochore but I admit he doesn't deserve to be there. I never thought that I would see a more gifted 8 than Zinnie but at times I think Read outshone him, plus he was a genuine lineout option so there you go. Zinny's golden years probably lasted a bit longer but if I had to pick I'd start with Read and put Zinny on the bench.
Kirkpatrick, Jones, Read.
I’m in the Jones, McCaw, Zinny camp with Read off the bench.
Jones comes off the bench, with Kaino, McCaw and Zinny starting in my team. I'm only selecting players I've seen play, so Kirkpatrick isn't in the equation for me. Read was great for about one or two years, but he wasn't the athlete that Brooke was.
@gt12 said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@act-crusader said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@dogmeat said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@act-crusader I wondered who would call me on the hypocrisy.
My own bias wants me to pick BJ Lochore but I admit he doesn't deserve to be there. I never thought that I would see a more gifted 8 than Zinnie but at times I think Read outshone him, plus he was a genuine lineout option so there you go. Zinny's golden years probably lasted a bit longer but if I had to pick I'd start with Read and put Zinny on the bench.
Kirkpatrick, Jones, Read.
I’m in the Jones, McCaw, Zinny camp with Read off the bench.
Jones comes off the bench, with Kaino, McCaw and Zinny starting in my team. I'm only selecting players I've seen play, so Kirkpatrick isn't in the equation for me. Read was great for about one or two years, but he wasn't the athlete that Brooke was.
i am 100% with this guy
unless i am allowed to put Sir Wayne of Ormond on the blind...
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@gt12 said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@act-crusader said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@dogmeat said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@act-crusader I wondered who would call me on the hypocrisy.
My own bias wants me to pick BJ Lochore but I admit he doesn't deserve to be there. I never thought that I would see a more gifted 8 than Zinnie but at times I think Read outshone him, plus he was a genuine lineout option so there you go. Zinny's golden years probably lasted a bit longer but if I had to pick I'd start with Read and put Zinny on the bench.
Kirkpatrick, Jones, Read.
I’m in the Jones, McCaw, Zinny camp with Read off the bench.
Jones comes off the bench, with Kaino, McCaw and Zinny starting in my team. I'm only selecting players I've seen play, so Kirkpatrick isn't in the equation for me. Read was great for about one or two years, but he wasn't the athlete that Brooke was.
i am 100% with this guy
unless i am allowed to put Sir Wayne of Ormond on the blind...
@mariner4life said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@gt12 said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@act-crusader said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@dogmeat said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@act-crusader I wondered who would call me on the hypocrisy.
My own bias wants me to pick BJ Lochore but I admit he doesn't deserve to be there. I never thought that I would see a more gifted 8 than Zinnie but at times I think Read outshone him, plus he was a genuine lineout option so there you go. Zinny's golden years probably lasted a bit longer but if I had to pick I'd start with Read and put Zinny on the bench.
Kirkpatrick, Jones, Read.
I’m in the Jones, McCaw, Zinny camp with Read off the bench.
Jones comes off the bench, with Kaino, McCaw and Zinny starting in my team. I'm only selecting players I've seen play, so Kirkpatrick isn't in the equation for me. Read was great for about one or two years, but he wasn't the athlete that Brooke was.
i am 100% with this guy
unless i am allowed to put Sir Wayne of Ormond on the blind...
When the game is played on a Sunday he could come off the bench?
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@act-crusader said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@dogmeat said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@act-crusader I wondered who would call me on the hypocrisy.
My own bias wants me to pick BJ Lochore but I admit he doesn't deserve to be there. I never thought that I would see a more gifted 8 than Zinnie but at times I think Read outshone him, plus he was a genuine lineout option so there you go. Zinny's golden years probably lasted a bit longer but if I had to pick I'd start with Read and put Zinny on the bench.
Kirkpatrick, Jones, Read.
I’m in the Jones, McCaw, Zinny camp with Read off the bench.
Jones comes off the bench, with Kaino, McCaw and Zinny starting in my team. I'm only selecting players I've seen play, so Kirkpatrick isn't in the equation for me. Read was great for about one or two years, but he wasn't the athlete that Brooke was.
@gt12 said in [AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass]
Jones comes off the bench, with Kaino, McCaw and Zinny starting in my team. I'm only selecting players I've seen play, so Kirkpatrick isn't in the equation for me. Read was great for about one or two years, but he wasn't the athlete that Brooke was.
So was Kaino though by the same standard, no?
Am I alone in understanding Kaino and Read getting mentions, but don't think peak Kaino/McCaw/Read was that much better than peak Collins/McCaw/Rodders?
When was peak Read anyway? 2009 EOYT until the inury before the RWC or sometime during the 2012-2015 cycle?
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@gt12 said in [AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass]
Jones comes off the bench, with Kaino, McCaw and Zinny starting in my team. I'm only selecting players I've seen play, so Kirkpatrick isn't in the equation for me. Read was great for about one or two years, but he wasn't the athlete that Brooke was.
So was Kaino though by the same standard, no?
Am I alone in understanding Kaino and Read getting mentions, but don't think peak Kaino/McCaw/Read was that much better than peak Collins/McCaw/Rodders?
When was peak Read anyway? 2009 EOYT until the inury before the RWC or sometime during the 2012-2015 cycle?
@rotated said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@gt12 said in [AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass]
Jones comes off the bench, with Kaino, McCaw and Zinny starting in my team. I'm only selecting players I've seen play, so Kirkpatrick isn't in the equation for me. Read was great for about one or two years, but he wasn't the athlete that Brooke was.
So was Kaino though by the same standard, no?
Am I alone in understanding Kaino and Read getting mentions, but don't think peak Kaino/McCaw/Read was that much better than peak Collins/McCaw/Rodders?
When was peak Read anyway? 2009 EOYT until the inury before the RWC or sometime during the 2012-2015 cycle?
I think the main area we improved with Kaino and read over Collins Rodders was the lineout ,
Otherwise Collins Rodders may be pretty underrated in these discussions, they were pretty dominant overall , maybe not winning in 07 didn’t help their legacy . Not sure .
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@gt12 said in [AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass]
Jones comes off the bench, with Kaino, McCaw and Zinny starting in my team. I'm only selecting players I've seen play, so Kirkpatrick isn't in the equation for me. Read was great for about one or two years, but he wasn't the athlete that Brooke was.
So was Kaino though by the same standard, no?
Am I alone in understanding Kaino and Read getting mentions, but don't think peak Kaino/McCaw/Read was that much better than peak Collins/McCaw/Rodders?
When was peak Read anyway? 2009 EOYT until the inury before the RWC or sometime during the 2012-2015 cycle?
@rotated said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@gt12 said in [AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass]
Jones comes off the bench, with Kaino, McCaw and Zinny starting in my team. I'm only selecting players I've seen play, so Kirkpatrick isn't in the equation for me. Read was great for about one or two years, but he wasn't the athlete that Brooke was.
So was Kaino though by the same standard, no?
Am I alone in understanding Kaino and Read getting mentions, but don't think peak Kaino/McCaw/Read was that much better than peak Collins/McCaw/Rodders?
When was peak Read anyway? 2009 EOYT until the inury before the RWC or sometime during the 2012-2015 cycle?
There’s a fairly decent gap for me. At any given time one of Read, McCaw and Kaino was the best loosie in the world and the other two were not far behind. Collins and Rodders were bloody good and top ABs but they didn’t reach the peaks that Read and Kaino did.
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If you are picking the greatest AB side of all time then [sacrilege] you don't need McCaw [/sacrilege]
He wasn't as gifted a player as MJ but he had an engine that kept on going and never gave up. Two attributes which together with his anticipation made him much better than the sum of his parts.
Surrounded by the best ever those attributes aren't required to the same extent
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If you are picking the greatest AB side of all time then [sacrilege] you don't need McCaw [/sacrilege]
He wasn't as gifted a player as MJ but he had an engine that kept on going and never gave up. Two attributes which together with his anticipation made him much better than the sum of his parts.
Surrounded by the best ever those attributes aren't required to the same extent
@dogmeat said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
If you are picking the greatest AB side of all time then [sacrilege] you don't need McCaw [/sacrilege]
He wasn't as gifted a player as MJ but he had an engine that kept on going and never gave up. Two attributes which together with his anticipation made him much better than the sum of his parts.
Surrounded by the best ever those attributes aren't required to the same extent
someone ban this old fluffybunny, he's clearly fallen in to dementia, and he's going to end up sounding like that guy from the GC
And then shoot him, because that's humane
derpy derpy lets leave out the greatest rugby player of all time
We don't need Cullen at fullback, Lomu and Wilson and Carter and Nonu will score so many tries, lets just go with Ben Blair
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@dogmeat said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
If you are picking the greatest AB side of all time then [sacrilege] you don't need McCaw [/sacrilege]
He wasn't as gifted a player as MJ but he had an engine that kept on going and never gave up. Two attributes which together with his anticipation made him much better than the sum of his parts.
Surrounded by the best ever those attributes aren't required to the same extent
someone ban this old fluffybunny, he's clearly fallen in to dementia, and he's going to end up sounding like that guy from the GC
And then shoot him, because that's humane
derpy derpy lets leave out the greatest rugby player of all time
We don't need Cullen at fullback, Lomu and Wilson and Carter and Nonu will score so many tries, lets just go with Ben Blair
@mariner4life yeah nah. Jones was a more gifted 7 IMO.
Wilson? Who is the demented one?? None of the various Wilsons would get near a best ever XV
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@mariner4life yeah nah. Jones was a more gifted 7 IMO.
Wilson? Who is the demented one?? None of the various Wilsons would get near a best ever XV
@dogmeat said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@mariner4life yeah nah. Jones was a more gifted 7 IMO.
Wilson? Who is the demented one?? None of the various Wilsons would get near a best ever XV
lol yeah right old man.
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@dogmeat said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
If you are picking the greatest AB side of all time then [sacrilege] you don't need McCaw [/sacrilege]
He wasn't as gifted a player as MJ but he had an engine that kept on going and never gave up. Two attributes which together with his anticipation made him much better than the sum of his parts.
Surrounded by the best ever those attributes aren't required to the same extent
someone ban this old fluffybunny, he's clearly fallen in to dementia, and he's going to end up sounding like that guy from the GC
And then shoot him, because that's humane
derpy derpy lets leave out the greatest rugby player of all time
We don't need Cullen at fullback, Lomu and Wilson and Carter and Nonu will score so many tries, lets just go with Ben Blair
@mariner4life said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@dogmeat said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
If you are picking the greatest AB side of all time then [sacrilege] you don't need McCaw [/sacrilege]
He wasn't as gifted a player as MJ but he had an engine that kept on going and never gave up. Two attributes which together with his anticipation made him much better than the sum of his parts.
Surrounded by the best ever those attributes aren't required to the same extent
someone ban this old fluffybunny, he's clearly fallen in to dementia, and he's going to end up sounding like that guy from the GC
And then shoot him, because that's humane
derpy derpy lets leave out the greatest rugby player of all time
We don't need Cullen at fullback, Lomu and Wilson and Carter and Nonu will score so many tries, lets just go with Ben Blair
Like he’d get in ahead of JK.
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@mariner4life said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@dogmeat said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
If you are picking the greatest AB side of all time then [sacrilege] you don't need McCaw [/sacrilege]
He wasn't as gifted a player as MJ but he had an engine that kept on going and never gave up. Two attributes which together with his anticipation made him much better than the sum of his parts.
Surrounded by the best ever those attributes aren't required to the same extent
someone ban this old fluffybunny, he's clearly fallen in to dementia, and he's going to end up sounding like that guy from the GC
And then shoot him, because that's humane
derpy derpy lets leave out the greatest rugby player of all time
We don't need Cullen at fullback, Lomu and Wilson and Carter and Nonu will score so many tries, lets just go with Ben Blair
Like he’d get in ahead of JK.
@mn5 said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@mariner4life said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@dogmeat said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
If you are picking the greatest AB side of all time then [sacrilege] you don't need McCaw [/sacrilege]
He wasn't as gifted a player as MJ but he had an engine that kept on going and never gave up. Two attributes which together with his anticipation made him much better than the sum of his parts.
Surrounded by the best ever those attributes aren't required to the same extent
someone ban this old fluffybunny, he's clearly fallen in to dementia, and he's going to end up sounding like that guy from the GC
And then shoot him, because that's humane
derpy derpy lets leave out the greatest rugby player of all time
We don't need Cullen at fullback, Lomu and Wilson and Carter and Nonu will score so many tries, lets just go with Ben Blair
Like he’d get in ahead of JK.
he's better than JK. And this coming from a guy whose rugby idol when he was a kid was JK.
I am starting to believe people deliberately undersell jeff Wilson at 14 because he played 15 in '99. I can't think of another reason.
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@mn5 said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@mariner4life said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@dogmeat said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
If you are picking the greatest AB side of all time then [sacrilege] you don't need McCaw [/sacrilege]
He wasn't as gifted a player as MJ but he had an engine that kept on going and never gave up. Two attributes which together with his anticipation made him much better than the sum of his parts.
Surrounded by the best ever those attributes aren't required to the same extent
someone ban this old fluffybunny, he's clearly fallen in to dementia, and he's going to end up sounding like that guy from the GC
And then shoot him, because that's humane
derpy derpy lets leave out the greatest rugby player of all time
We don't need Cullen at fullback, Lomu and Wilson and Carter and Nonu will score so many tries, lets just go with Ben Blair
Like he’d get in ahead of JK.
he's better than JK. And this coming from a guy whose rugby idol when he was a kid was JK.
I am starting to believe people deliberately undersell jeff Wilson at 14 because he played 15 in '99. I can't think of another reason.
@mariner4life said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@mn5 said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@mariner4life said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@dogmeat said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
If you are picking the greatest AB side of all time then [sacrilege] you don't need McCaw [/sacrilege]
He wasn't as gifted a player as MJ but he had an engine that kept on going and never gave up. Two attributes which together with his anticipation made him much better than the sum of his parts.
Surrounded by the best ever those attributes aren't required to the same extent
someone ban this old fluffybunny, he's clearly fallen in to dementia, and he's going to end up sounding like that guy from the GC
And then shoot him, because that's humane
derpy derpy lets leave out the greatest rugby player of all time
We don't need Cullen at fullback, Lomu and Wilson and Carter and Nonu will score so many tries, lets just go with Ben Blair
Like he’d get in ahead of JK.
he's better than JK. And this coming from a guy whose rugby idol when he was a kid was JK.
I am starting to believe people deliberately undersell jeff Wilson at 14 because he played 15 in '99. I can't think of another reason.
Possibly because he played alongside Cullen and Lomu too. Hard to top those guys to be fair.
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@mariner4life said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@mn5 said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@mariner4life said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@dogmeat said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
If you are picking the greatest AB side of all time then [sacrilege] you don't need McCaw [/sacrilege]
He wasn't as gifted a player as MJ but he had an engine that kept on going and never gave up. Two attributes which together with his anticipation made him much better than the sum of his parts.
Surrounded by the best ever those attributes aren't required to the same extent
someone ban this old fluffybunny, he's clearly fallen in to dementia, and he's going to end up sounding like that guy from the GC
And then shoot him, because that's humane
derpy derpy lets leave out the greatest rugby player of all time
We don't need Cullen at fullback, Lomu and Wilson and Carter and Nonu will score so many tries, lets just go with Ben Blair
Like he’d get in ahead of JK.
he's better than JK. And this coming from a guy whose rugby idol when he was a kid was JK.
I am starting to believe people deliberately undersell jeff Wilson at 14 because he played 15 in '99. I can't think of another reason.
Possibly because he played alongside Cullen and Lomu too. Hard to top those guys to be fair.
@mn5 said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@mariner4life said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@mn5 said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@mariner4life said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@dogmeat said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
If you are picking the greatest AB side of all time then [sacrilege] you don't need McCaw [/sacrilege]
He wasn't as gifted a player as MJ but he had an engine that kept on going and never gave up. Two attributes which together with his anticipation made him much better than the sum of his parts.
Surrounded by the best ever those attributes aren't required to the same extent
someone ban this old fluffybunny, he's clearly fallen in to dementia, and he's going to end up sounding like that guy from the GC
And then shoot him, because that's humane
derpy derpy lets leave out the greatest rugby player of all time
We don't need Cullen at fullback, Lomu and Wilson and Carter and Nonu will score so many tries, lets just go with Ben Blair
Like he’d get in ahead of JK.
he's better than JK. And this coming from a guy whose rugby idol when he was a kid was JK.
I am starting to believe people deliberately undersell jeff Wilson at 14 because he played 15 in '99. I can't think of another reason.
Possibly because he played alongside Cullen and Lomu too. Hard to top those guys to be fair.
the best back 3 of all time by the length of the Flemington straight. With Bunce feeding them the ball.
sighs hornilly
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@mariner4life yeah nah. Jones was a more gifted 7 IMO.
Wilson? Who is the demented one?? None of the various Wilsons would get near a best ever XV
@dogmeat said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@mariner4life yeah nah. Jones was a more gifted 7 IMO.
We will never know because his time at 7 was all too brief. Too brief to call him better than McCaw IMO.
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@dogmeat said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
@mariner4life yeah nah. Jones was a more gifted 7 IMO.
We will never know because his time at 7 was all too brief. Too brief to call him better than McCaw IMO.
@crazy-horse although I think there have been plenty more naturally gifted players than McCaw, but his work ethic and drive pushed him beyond those natural talents of most top level rugby players.
He stands tall and is def in my all time back row, with Zinny & Kaino.
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@crazy-horse although I think there have been plenty more naturally gifted players than McCaw, but his work ethic and drive pushed him beyond those natural talents of most top level rugby players.
He stands tall and is def in my all time back row, with Zinny & Kaino.
Jones would have been an ok loose forward bench position (had played all 3).
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@winger said in AB Greatest 15 Rugby Pass:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-whiteboard-session-that-proved-maa-nonu-as-an-all-blacks-great/
It was pretty obvious Ma'a was a keen student of the game if you look at how he developed over the years. Certainly no-one's fool rugby-wise
Pretty happy with Bruce Robertson at 13. He's still the standard for an old bugger like me - think Conrad Smith but better and a bit more skilful. Could drop a goal from 40m if you needed him to.
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No other AB has had more influence on percentage of wins than McCaw. By that crieria alone automatic selection. McCaw the greatest AB.
