Foster, Robertson, Rennie etc
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@canefan said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The team seems to be coming along nicely. Less helter skelter, more physicality, lots of players coming along nicely. Are we ready to throw Foster a few credit crumbs?
Absolutely. Credit where it's due - he's improved his selections dramatically, and the team seem to be performing.
That said, I am absolutely not convinced there was a basis to reappoint based on the body of work when they made the decision. This tour was going to shape up to be critical, and so far he looks good.
@nzzp I guess there is the argument of stability and now he is 'safe' he can start putting a bit more of his stamp on things...certainly a step in the right direction
Agree though, the process appeared farcical, and the stupidity to put in a 2 year term was also going to create this situation, exagerrated by Covid.
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One swallow doesn’t make a summer etc. But yes looking good, but so did Hansen ‘16. I really wanted them to do the entire year before making a decision, that’s when I will start to believe. A very succesful 2021 will almost balance out one of ABs owrst years ever in 2020. If he goes through undefeated and in style, I will say he is in the positive.
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What he is doing well is starting to settle in selections, he's getting a tune out of the Ioane brothers, and we are upping the physicality. If we can match the Boks up front and win next week that will be a big step forward
@canefan yeah, his biggest criticism is that he's settling on a several people lots of us would have picked last year
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Let’s not forget that we have only played against a club player filled Tonga, Fiji, a historically poor Wallabies and a defence only Argentina.
I don’t think any proper judgement can be made until we play the Boks and some of the NH teams. Hopefully the trend of not making stupid selections and not using stupid tactics continues.
Still got concerns over our discipline, scrum and lineout. -
Let’s not forget that we have only played against a club player filled Tonga, Fiji, a historically poor Wallabies and a defence only Argentina.
I don’t think any proper judgement can be made until we play the Boks and some of the NH teams. Hopefully the trend of not making stupid selections and not using stupid tactics continues.
Still got concerns over our discipline, scrum and lineout.@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Let’s not forget that we have only played against a club player filled Tonga, Fiji, a historically poor Wallabies and a defence only Argentina.
I don’t think any proper judgement can be made until we play the Boks and some of the NH teams. Hopefully the trend of not making stupid selections and not using stupid tactics continues.
Still got concerns over our discipline, scrum and lineout.Well you say that, but Argentina scored points against the Boks. Oz beat them.
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@canefan yeah, his biggest criticism is that he's settling on a several people lots of us would have picked last year
@kiwiwomble said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canefan yeah, his biggest criticism is that he's settling on a several people lots of us would have picked last year
Or maybe he identified areas where improvement was required, and made those players work on them, to increase the capability, depth and competitiveness for every jersey? But, no, only an astute coach would do that...
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@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Let’s not forget that we have only played against a club player filled Tonga, Fiji, a historically poor Wallabies and a defence only Argentina.
I don’t think any proper judgement can be made until we play the Boks and some of the NH teams. Hopefully the trend of not making stupid selections and not using stupid tactics continues.
Still got concerns over our discipline, scrum and lineout.Well you say that, but Argentina scored points against the Boks. Oz beat them.
@antipodean said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Let’s not forget that we have only played against a club player filled Tonga, Fiji, a historically poor Wallabies and a defence only Argentina.
I don’t think any proper judgement can be made until we play the Boks and some of the NH teams. Hopefully the trend of not making stupid selections and not using stupid tactics continues.
Still got concerns over our discipline, scrum and lineout.Well you say that, but Argentina scored points against the Boks. Oz beat them.
So what if Arg scored a couple of points against the Boks. They are rubbish at the moment. An comfortable win against them is absolutely the minimum required standard for the ABs. One that wasn’t achieved last year.
As for Aus beating the Boks, that is pretty much standard for the last 20 years isn’t it? The Boks have always struggled in Aus.
Doesn’t change the fact that Bok style and players will be a bigger test of where the ABs are than the teams we have played over the last 2 years.
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@antipodean said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Let’s not forget that we have only played against a club player filled Tonga, Fiji, a historically poor Wallabies and a defence only Argentina.
I don’t think any proper judgement can be made until we play the Boks and some of the NH teams. Hopefully the trend of not making stupid selections and not using stupid tactics continues.
Still got concerns over our discipline, scrum and lineout.Well you say that, but Argentina scored points against the Boks. Oz beat them.
So what if Arg scored a couple of points against the Boks. They are rubbish at the moment. An comfortable win against them is absolutely the minimum required standard for the ABs. One that wasn’t achieved last year.
As for Aus beating the Boks, that is pretty much standard for the last 20 years isn’t it? The Boks have always struggled in Aus.
Doesn’t change the fact that Bok style and players will be a bigger test of where the ABs are than the teams we have played over the last 2 years.
@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@antipodean said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Let’s not forget that we have only played against a club player filled Tonga, Fiji, a historically poor Wallabies and a defence only Argentina.
I don’t think any proper judgement can be made until we play the Boks and some of the NH teams. Hopefully the trend of not making stupid selections and not using stupid tactics continues.
Still got concerns over our discipline, scrum and lineout.Well you say that, but Argentina scored points against the Boks. Oz beat them.
So what if Arg scored a couple of points against the Boks. They are rubbish at the moment. An comfortable win against them is absolutely the minimum required standard for the ABs. One that wasn’t achieved last year.
As for Aus beating the Boks, that is pretty much standard for the last 20 years isn’t it? The Boks have always struggled in Aus.
Doesn’t change the fact that Bok style and players will be a bigger test of where the ABs are than the teams we have played over the last 2 years.
Again; I'm pointing out based on form the Boks won't be much of a test.
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Let’s not forget that we have only played against a club player filled Tonga, Fiji, a historically poor Wallabies and a defence only Argentina.
I don’t think any proper judgement can be made until we play the Boks and some of the NH teams. Hopefully the trend of not making stupid selections and not using stupid tactics continues.
Still got concerns over our discipline, scrum and lineout.@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
I don’t think any proper judgement can be made until we play the Boks and some of the NH teams.
Yeah and then when we beat them, judgement can't be made until we play Japan and Canada and then after that, well Foster hasn't beaten the moon has he!
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Foz has made plenty of comment that last year's AB campaign was pretty short and rushed so I think that played a lot into his selections.
He basically tried to shoehorn as much experience into the side as possible (Jordie on the wing, Goodhue to 12 etc).
This season now that they've had a more 'normal' test season his selections are much different.
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Foz has made plenty of comment that last year's AB campaign was pretty short and rushed so I think that played a lot into his selections.
He basically tried to shoehorn as much experience into the side as possible (Jordie on the wing, Goodhue to 12 etc).
This season now that they've had a more 'normal' test season his selections are much different.
@kiwimurph said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Foz has made plenty of comment that last year's AB campaign was pretty short and rushed so I think that played a lot into his selections.
He basically tried to shoehorn as much experience into the side as possible (Jordie on the wing, Goodhue to 12 etc).
This season now that they've had a more 'normal' test season his selections are much different.
There was loads of talk from the coaches last year about improving the physicality and playing players in their specialist positions, which we then saw nothing of, which was insanely frustrating. Selections this year have been much better, and the pack is really getting into their work now. Happy to give Foster credit for that.
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@antipodean said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Let’s not forget that we have only played against a club player filled Tonga, Fiji, a historically poor Wallabies and a defence only Argentina.
I don’t think any proper judgement can be made until we play the Boks and some of the NH teams. Hopefully the trend of not making stupid selections and not using stupid tactics continues.
Still got concerns over our discipline, scrum and lineout.Well you say that, but Argentina scored points against the Boks. Oz beat them.
So what if Arg scored a couple of points against the Boks. They are rubbish at the moment. An comfortable win against them is absolutely the minimum required standard for the ABs. One that wasn’t achieved last year.
As for Aus beating the Boks, that is pretty much standard for the last 20 years isn’t it? The Boks have always struggled in Aus.
Doesn’t change the fact that Bok style and players will be a bigger test of where the ABs are than the teams we have played over the last 2 years.
@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@antipodean said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Let’s not forget that we have only played against a club player filled Tonga, Fiji, a historically poor Wallabies and a defence only Argentina.
I don’t think any proper judgement can be made until we play the Boks and some of the NH teams. Hopefully the trend of not making stupid selections and not using stupid tactics continues.
Still got concerns over our discipline, scrum and lineout.Well you say that, but Argentina scored points against the Boks. Oz beat them.
. An comfortable win against them is absolutely the minimum required standard for the ABs. One that wasn’t achieved last year.
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So far I've seen a big improvement on last year. The forward pack is significantly more physical and accurate, and that's been without Moody and Tu'ungufasi.
One on one tackling has been better, and defensive pattern seems to be improving now too.
I'm coming around to Foster and his team.
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So far I've seen a big improvement on last year. The forward pack is significantly more physical and accurate, and that's been without Moody and Tu'ungufasi.
One on one tackling has been better, and defensive pattern seems to be improving now too.
I'm coming around to Foster and his team.
2020: We lose to a fresh and resolute Argentina and by 2 points to Australia...he's no Scott Robertson!
2021: We beat Fiji (after a struggle), Tonga C, a hapless Wallaby side that can't even kick conversions, then depleted, weakened Argentina team, out of quarantine, away from their grass-fed beef, 1 point more than our last game against them. We're saved! -
2020: We lose to a fresh and resolute Argentina and by 2 points to Australia...he's no Scott Robertson!
2021: We beat Fiji (after a struggle), Tonga C, a hapless Wallaby side that can't even kick conversions, then depleted, weakened Argentina team, out of quarantine, away from their grass-fed beef, 1 point more than our last game against them. We're saved!@nostrildamus said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
2020: We lose to a fresh and resolute Argentina and by 2 points to Australia...he's no Scott Robertson!
2021: We beat Fiji (after a struggle), Tonga C, a hapless Wallaby side that can't even kick conversions, then depleted, weakened Argentina team, out of quarantine, away from their grass-fed beef, 1 point more than our last game against them. We're saved!Talking about the ABs there…
No Ofa, Taylor, Coles, Whitelock, Cane, Savea, Smith, Mo’unga, Goodhue, ALB.
Salvation!
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@nostrildamus said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
2020: We lose to a fresh and resolute Argentina and by 2 points to Australia...he's no Scott Robertson!
2021: We beat Fiji (after a struggle), Tonga C, a hapless Wallaby side that can't even kick conversions, then depleted, weakened Argentina team, out of quarantine, away from their grass-fed beef, 1 point more than our last game against them. We're saved!Talking about the ABs there…
No Ofa, Taylor, Coles, Whitelock, Cane, Savea, Smith, Mo’unga, Goodhue, ALB.
Salvation!
@act-crusader disgusting that you left out Luatua.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
2020: We lose to a fresh and resolute Argentina and by 2 points to Australia...he's no Scott Robertson!
2021: We beat Fiji (after a struggle), Tonga C, a hapless Wallaby side that can't even kick conversions, then depleted, weakened Argentina team, out of quarantine, away from their grass-fed beef, 1 point more than our last game against them. We're saved!Talking about the ABs there…
No Ofa, Taylor, Coles, Whitelock, Cane, Savea, Smith, Mo’unga, Goodhue, ALB.
Salvation!
@act-crusader said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@nostrildamus said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
2020: We lose to a fresh and resolute Argentina and by 2 points to Australia...he's no Scott Robertson!
2021: We beat Fiji (after a struggle), Tonga C, a hapless Wallaby side that can't even kick conversions, then depleted, weakened Argentina team, out of quarantine, away from their grass-fed beef, 1 point more than our last game against them. We're saved!
No Ofa, Taylor, Coles, Whitelock, Cane, Savea, Smith, Mo’unga, Goodhue, ALB.
Salvation!Maybe that was the improvement, have a look at the photo, Goodhue, Whitelock, Taylor...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300159746/all-blacks-v-argentina-how-it-went-so-wrong-for-new-zealand-in-sydney
