Foster, Robertson, Rennie etc
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@stargazer you'd like to think, that had we lost to Fiji and Aus they wouldn't have re-signed him.
But I've been of the view the decision was made weeks/months ago to re-sign him (or not, turns out it was to re-sign)
What happens if we lose to SA, Arg, Wales?
His record is shakey already, and makes NZR look unprofessional again re-signing him, while he still has half a dozen or so games to win/lose
@taniwharugby said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@stargazer you'd like to think, that had we lost to Fiji and Aus they wouldn't have re-signed him.
But I've been of the view the decision was made weeks/months ago to re-sign him (or not, turns out it was to re-sign)
What happens if we lose to SA, Arg, Wales?
His record is shakey already, and makes NZR look unprofessional again re-signing him, while he still has half a dozen or so games to win/lose
Anybody else think the NZR and The Canes have the same board happy with mediocre results
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This amused me from the original article:
*New Zealand Rugby has moved to give Foster and his management team security *
Obviously expecting some ferners to show up after the announcement.
@snowy said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
This amused me from the original article:
*New Zealand Rugby has moved to give Foster and his management team security *
Obviously expecting some ferners to show up after the announcement.
I guess he isn't being protected by the AB forwards then but come to think of it I know a 6 who shines in off-field offense...
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The senior players (and Shand) would have been asked for feedback and I doubt this decision would have been made now if their opinions were overwhelmingly negative.
@bovidae said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The senior players (and Shand) would have been asked for feedback and I doubt this decision would have been made now if their opinions were overwhelmingly negative.
The players generally seem happy enough and Foster seems like a decent enough bloke. But that does not mean he's the best person to coach the team and get it performing to its absolute maximum. Maybe he's too likeable and not willing to push players hard enough or make tough enough decisions...?
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@kiwimurph I honestly could not see them doing anything different, the current environment has made his job even tougher.
That said, woulda thought they coulda waited until post TRC to give the illusion that results mattered.
@taniwharugby said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
That said, woulda thought they coulda waited until post TRC to give the illusion that results mattered.
Perhaps that was the plan but they thought Delta might get in the way?
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@taniwharugby said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
That said, woulda thought they coulda waited until post TRC to give the illusion that results mattered.
Perhaps that was the plan but they thought Delta might get in the way?
@victor-meldrew said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@taniwharugby said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
That said, woulda thought they coulda waited until post TRC to give the illusion that results mattered.
Perhaps that was the plan but they thought Delta might get in the way?
One of the reasons Robinson mentioned on the news tonight was that it gave the group stability in uncertain times
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Not sure where to put this.
@kiwimurph said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
> Not sure where to put this.I know a number of Ferners who would suggest studying a book on anatomy...
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@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
He'd retire job done IMO.
I don't see that bring Razor in now increases our RWC chances that much to be fair.
It isn't as if Foster and co are ignoring players that should be there and any poor periods have been attributed by the players themselves as down to not following instructions.
My belief is that, at present, our problems are mainly down to getting experience and test level combos established. Changing things up now won't help that.
The game itself is also n a funny place laws wise and we have to adapt ourselves to that. Just as SA found that trying to play a style that didn't suit them didn't work, the ABs trying to play a power game won't work either.@crucial said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
He'd retire job done IMO.
I don't see that bring Razor in now increases our RWC chances that much to be fair.
It isn't as if Foster and co are ignoring players that should be there and any poor periods have been attributed by the players themselves as down to not following instructions.
My belief is that, at present, our problems are mainly down to getting experience and test level combos established. Changing things up now won't help that.
The game itself is also n a funny place laws wise and we have to adapt ourselves to that. Just as SA found that trying to play a style that didn't suit them didn't work, the ABs trying to play a power game won't work either.I pretty much agree with all of that.
The team does seem to be moving in the right direction but possibly not fast enough. I don't think changing horses in the middle of the stream is going to help but, as some have suggested, the backroom staff may need some tweaking.
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@bovidae said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@machpants Shand is higher up the food chain at NZR than Foster (and Hansen was) as he is part of the Executive Team. His job security is not dependent on Foster keeping his position.
I was more talking about the players, as mentioned a good environment does not mean good coach. Still the proof will be in the pudding if SA turn up full bore to the RC, and France play to their max.
@machpants said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@bovidae said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@machpants Shand is higher up the food chain at NZR than Foster (and Hansen was) as he is part of the Executive Team. His job security is not dependent on Foster keeping his position.
I was more talking about the players, as mentioned a good environment does not mean good coach. Still the proof will be in the pudding if SA turn up full bore to the RC, and France play to their max.
Oh god, France now too?
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@mikethesnow said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@taniwharugby said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@stargazer you'd like to think, that had we lost to Fiji and Aus they wouldn't have re-signed him.
But I've been of the view the decision was made weeks/months ago to re-sign him (or not, turns out it was to re-sign)
What happens if we lose to SA, Arg, Wales?
His record is shakey already, and makes NZR look unprofessional again re-signing him, while he still has half a dozen or so games to win/lose
SA a distinct possibility (if they ever play it) but no shame in that.
Argentina
Wales
It’s outside the test window so no guarantees we’ll be able to field our best 23And even then, it’s unlikely
France and SA are likely losses
@machpants said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@mikethesnow said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@taniwharugby said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@stargazer you'd like to think, that had we lost to Fiji and Aus they wouldn't have re-signed him.
But I've been of the view the decision was made weeks/months ago to re-sign him (or not, turns out it was to re-sign)
What happens if we lose to SA, Arg, Wales?
His record is shakey already, and makes NZR look unprofessional again re-signing him, while he still has half a dozen or so games to win/lose
SA a distinct possibility (if they ever play it) but no shame in that.
Argentina
Wales
It’s outside the test window so no guarantees we’ll be able to field our best 23And even then, it’s unlikely
France and SA are likely losses
Unbeatable (And England)
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The senior players (and Shand) would have been asked for feedback and I doubt this decision would have been made now if their opinions were overwhelmingly negative.
@bovidae said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The senior players (and Shand) would have been asked for feedback and I doubt this decision would have been made now if their opinions were overwhelmingly negative.
Well the general rugby fans gave their feedback at the second test at Eden Park by staying away in droves.
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@bovidae said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The senior players (and Shand) would have been asked for feedback and I doubt this decision would have been made now if their opinions were overwhelmingly negative.
Well the general rugby fans gave their feedback at the second test at Eden Park by staying away in droves.
@higgins said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@bovidae said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The senior players (and Shand) would have been asked for feedback and I doubt this decision would have been made now if their opinions were overwhelmingly negative.
Well the general rugby fans gave their feedback at the second test at Eden Park by staying away in droves.
No they didn’t, we sold out basically the capacity of the Waikato Stadium at short notice after a good crowd the week before.
If it had been announced earlier people could have planned travel or budgeted for it. That considered it was a good turnout. And were in good spirits.
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There's no way they could can Foster now, it was appointing him in the first place that was utterly ridiculous. And with our first ever loss to a weak Argentina the damage is done and he's permanently in the history books now. Fuck knows where he will take this team, but one things for sure, consistency will not be a feature.
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@african-monkey not sure about 'deserves' a chance, but by the same token, I think there have been alot of disruptions to his time that it would be pretty harsh to can him before he has had a good chance to really 'own' things
@taniwharugby said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@african-monkey not sure about 'deserves' a chance, but by the same token, I think there have been alot of disruptions to his time that it would be pretty harsh to can him before he has had a good chance to really 'own' things
It’s interesting, when Henry was reappointed after 2007, there was language to the effect that he “deserves a chance to redeem himself”.
Yes there were plenty of doubters and detractors, but many that thought he didn’t deserve anything given what happened at the RWC.
Then there was talk of the players and why they thought of Ted and that was a key factor in the reappointment. Culture meant something etc
I’m pleased for some of the newer less experienced players that are starting to show something because a change in coach can be disruptive and there are always casualties in a squad. For young players that are trying to settle and find their feet at test level a bit stability is probably a good thing.
Congratulations Fozzie.
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@billy-tell said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canefan said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@machpants said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
More than happy with that hairy, I will eat humble pie and apologise
I will be pleased for Fozzie to prove us wrong by going on to win Le Coupe du Monde
I know gender-fluid is very PC.
But La Coupe du Monde.
That's not gender. That's grammar
@canefan said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@billy-tell said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canefan said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@machpants said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
More than happy with that hairy, I will eat humble pie and apologise
I will be pleased for Fozzie to prove us wrong by going on to win Le Coupe du Monde
I know gender-fluid is very PC.
But La Coupe du Monde.
That's not gender. That's grammar
Sure about that?
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@canefan said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@billy-tell said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canefan said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@machpants said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
More than happy with that hairy, I will eat humble pie and apologise
I will be pleased for Fozzie to prove us wrong by going on to win Le Coupe du Monde
I know gender-fluid is very PC.
But La Coupe du Monde.
That's not gender. That's grammar
Sure about that?
@frye said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canefan said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@billy-tell said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canefan said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@machpants said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
More than happy with that hairy, I will eat humble pie and apologise
I will be pleased for Fozzie to prove us wrong by going on to win Le Coupe du Monde
I know gender-fluid is very PC.
But La Coupe du Monde.
That's not gender. That's grammar
Sure about that?
No!
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@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
He'd retire job done IMO.
I don't see that bring Razor in now increases our RWC chances that much to be fair.
It isn't as if Foster and co are ignoring players that should be there and any poor periods have been attributed by the players themselves as down to not following instructions.
My belief is that, at present, our problems are mainly down to getting experience and test level combos established. Changing things up now won't help that.
The game itself is also n a funny place laws wise and we have to adapt ourselves to that. Just as SA found that trying to play a style that didn't suit them didn't work, the ABs trying to play a power game won't work either.@crucial said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
He'd retire job done IMO.
I think that's unlikely. It's an incredible gig, pays well, Foster would be still be young enough and he hasn't achieved that much as a coach so staying on would be extremely appealing.
I also think there's an arrogance that goes along with winning a world cup where you think you and you alone possess the magic formula. I think Hansen had this and Foster appears to be slowly transforming into FGH (certainly physically, if not necessarily in terms of personality yet).
And let's not get into boomers reluctance to relinquish positions of power within society in general.
I hope he is the right choice, and he continues to make strides. I think we're looking better than last year but these next few tests will be a better gauge. Especially if we're missing a couple of key guys.
I would still advocate for Robertson though from 2024 onwards. Regardless of the result at the world cup, and we certainly shouldn't rely on Foster stepping down voluntarily.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@african-monkey not sure about 'deserves' a chance, but by the same token, I think there have been alot of disruptions to his time that it would be pretty harsh to can him before he has had a good chance to really 'own' things
It’s interesting, when Henry was reappointed after 2007, there was language to the effect that he “deserves a chance to redeem himself”.
Yes there were plenty of doubters and detractors, but many that thought he didn’t deserve anything given what happened at the RWC.
Then there was talk of the players and why they thought of Ted and that was a key factor in the reappointment. Culture meant something etc
I’m pleased for some of the newer less experienced players that are starting to show something because a change in coach can be disruptive and there are always casualties in a squad. For young players that are trying to settle and find their feet at test level a bit stability is probably a good thing.
Congratulations Fozzie.
@act-crusader congrats to the man. But his extension gives the rest of us confidence.
His ABs sorta remind me of the Hart era team. So much talent that they’re going to win the majority of games. But they don’t seem to have a defined game plan and he doesn’t have the magical eye required to identify players who will thrive at test level or the knack of selecting lesser players with the hot hand.
So instead of being basically invincible short of coming up against all world teams turning in career best performances, you’re at risk of getting turned over by good teams.
[this post brought to you by that snake’s not poisonousTM]
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The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
Its not just Foster its the coaching team he has as well. And if his team wins the RWC maybe he should be reappointed if he wants to carry on
Although I would eb keen to see what Robertson could do if AB coach. But he would likley want different assistants too so it would mean a big change and dismissals for an AB winning team
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If he wins the next wc he will be a loved hero ( like beaver )
If he loses he may consider relocating to another country
No fucken pressure or anything
