Foster, Robertson, Rennie etc
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@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/stuart-lancaster-on-the-potential-flaw-in-new-zealand-rugby/
Hey Bones,
I have been thinking this for a while tbh.
Mainly because NZ is not leading the way is going and we have been slow to react to trends in the game and are behind the curve on these as it is mainly being driven out of Europe.
One of the reasons is the brain drain where our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
NZ rugby is insular and inward looking and has been that way for decades.
An example of this is Nz Fans are accused of being arrogant and ignorant because they don’t watch rugby from the NOrthern hemisphere and it’s because it was substandard compared to the rugby on offer in NZ. That’s not the case now though.
I believe we would now benefit greatly if we had some outside experience to give us some pretty hard truths.
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
NZ rugby is insular and inward looking and has been that way for decades.
And NZ has consistently been top of the pile for decades. But the coaching setup in the last, pretty successful, decade or so has had plenty of outside experience with Hansen and Henry, so a valid point.
I believe we would now benefit greatly if we had some outside experience to give us some pretty hard truths.
I guess that rules out Scott Robinson as AB coach then....
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@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
Schmidt is already in. Gatland?
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@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
Schmidt is already in. Gatland?
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
That's what I thought
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@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
Schmidt is already in. Gatland?
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
Schmidt is already in. Gatland?
Think you'll find Gatland is in NZ!
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
Schmidt is already in. Gatland?
Think you'll find Gatland is in NZ!
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
Schmidt is already in. Gatland?
Think you'll find Gatland is in NZ!
Thought he was still part-time? Explains the Chiefs performance, I guess....
Dunno if he'd get into the AB coaching set-up. Almost as if he's crapped in someone's pocket in the NZRFU at some stage
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@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
Schmidt is already in. Gatland?
Think you'll find Gatland is in NZ!
Thought he was still part-time? Explains the Chiefs performance, I guess....
Dunno if he'd get into the AB coaching set-up. Almost as if he's crapped in someone's pocket in the NZRFU at some stage
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
Schmidt is already in. Gatland?
Think you'll find Gatland is in NZ!
Thought he was still part-time? Explains the Chiefs performance, I guess....
Dunno if he'd get into the AB coaching set-up. Almost as if he's crapped in someone's pocket in the NZRFU at some stage
Inclined to think the lions aren't taking up too much of his time
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@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones Rennie. The big fish that got away.
Without being AB coach, what more could he do in NZ? Think coaching Aus will be a very good experience for him.
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones Rennie. The big fish that got away.
Without being AB coach, what more could he do in NZ? Think coaching Aus will be a very good experience for him.
I agree with you but the NZRFU stuffed up. It’s going be a difficult job for him in Oz but I would not be surprised if the Aussies take a game or 2 from us this year. Especially with our crew in charge and if we don’t solve the problem in our forwards.
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@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones Rennie. The big fish that got away.
Without being AB coach, what more could he do in NZ? Think coaching Aus will be a very good experience for him.
I agree with you but the NZRFU stuffed up. It’s going be a difficult job for him in Oz but I would not be surprised if the Aussies take a game or 2 from us this year. Especially with our crew in charge and if we don’t solve the problem in our forwards.
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones Rennie. The big fish that got away.
Without being AB coach, what more could he do in NZ? Think coaching Aus will be a very good experience for him.
I agree with you but the NZRFU stuffed up. It’s going be a difficult job for him in Oz but I would not be surprised if the Aussies take a game or 2 from us this year. Especially with our crew in charge and if we don’t solve the problem in our forwards.
Are you surprised Aussies take a game or two from us any year? That's pretty much the most unsurprising thing any rugby year.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones Rennie. The big fish that got away.
Without being AB coach, what more could he do in NZ? Think coaching Aus will be a very good experience for him.
I agree with you but the NZRFU stuffed up. It’s going be a difficult job for him in Oz but I would not be surprised if the Aussies take a game or 2 from us this year. Especially with our crew in charge and if we don’t solve the problem in our forwards.
Are you surprised Aussies take a game or two from us any year? That's pretty much the most unsurprising thing any rugby year.
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@bones it wasn’t until recently. We had the wood on them. Ok, I’ll go out on a limb and say they will win the Bledisloe.
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones it wasn’t until recently. We had the wood on them. Ok, I’ll go out on a limb and say they will win the Bledisloe.
That's the spirit. If they do, then I'll concede that we are drastically missing the mighty Ram Rennie.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones it wasn’t until recently. We had the wood on them. Ok, I’ll go out on a limb and say they will win the Bledisloe.
That's the spirit. If they do, then I'll concede that we are drastically missing the mighty Ram Rennie.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones So you don’t rate him? I also like Joseph by the way.
I definitely rate him, he's coached me before so he must be quite good. Are NZ missing him being in the country? Not so sure, but I guess the Canes could definitely do with a coach of his calibre.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones Rennie. The big fish that got away.
Rennie jumped to Aus when they offered him job, and I liked him as a super coach, (when he had right support ie Smith) still to be convinced at next level just yet.
I am a bit of a Joseph as well as Schmidt fan, but he was approached ny NZR after WC but was struggling with the whole test coaching experience thing apparently, and needed a break.
The whole Stuart Lancaster thing about NZ only looking inwards I believe just him trying to get a little attention. I not sure who all these top coaches who are available from other countries are anyway, I think quite often seemingly NZ is looked to by a few countries as the plave to get coaches from? IE Rennie was offered Aus job before it was even open etc.
The ABs had no trouble bringing in Mick Byrne when they thought he had something to add to what they required, and I will ask who are these other coaches that should be coaching them from around the world? -
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
Cotter, Jono Gibbes, O'Halloran, Boyd, Evans might be a few I'd like to have around. I doubt that some of them would come back (such as Evans and Gibbes), and I imagine that Suntory treats O'Halloran very well.
As a defence coach, even cue-ball might be useful.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones Rennie. The big fish that got away.
Rennie jumped to Aus when they offered him job, and I liked him as a super coach, (when he had right support ie Smith) still to be convinced at next level just yet.
I am a bit of a Joseph as well as Schmidt fan, but he was approached ny NZR after WC but was struggling with the whole test coaching experience thing apparently, and needed a break.
The whole Stuart Lancaster thing about NZ only looking inwards I believe just him trying to get a little attention. I not sure who all these top coaches who are available from other countries are anyway, I think quite often seemingly NZ is looked to by a few countries as the plave to get coaches from? IE Rennie was offered Aus job before it was even open etc.
The ABs had no trouble bringing in Mick Byrne when they thought he had something to add to what they required, and I will ask who are these other coaches that should be coaching them from around the world?@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
Rennie jumped to Aus when they offered him job
He jumped because it was clear he had nowhere to go in NZ. The same thing happened with the Canes, he "jumped" to the Chiefs because he was overlooked for the Hammettuer.
TBF, the Oz job is probably a fairly difficult one. They're kind of top tier but every big name coach has struggled with them since Rod Maqueen. Rennie is a much better coach then Foster, yet I don't think he can win the Bledisloe.
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@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
Schmidt is already in. Gatland?
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
Schmidt is already in. Gatland?
The more involvement he has the worse the Chiefs are. When MacMillan has been in charge they look a much better team. Maybe his NH style doesn't work for our players?
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
Schmidt is already in. Gatland?
The more involvement he has the worse the Chiefs are. When MacMillan has been in charge they look a much better team. Maybe his NH style doesn't work for our players?
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@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
Rennie jumped to Aus when they offered him job
He jumped because it was clear he had nowhere to go in NZ. The same thing happened with the Canes, he "jumped" to the Chiefs because he was overlooked for the Hammettuer.
TBF, the Oz job is probably a fairly difficult one. They're kind of top tier but every big name coach has struggled with them since Rod Maqueen. Rennie is a much better coach then Foster, yet I don't think he can win the Bledisloe.
@nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
Rennie jumped to Aus when they offered him job
He jumped because it was clear he had nowhere to go in NZ. The same thing happened with the Canes, he "jumped" to the Chiefs because he was overlooked for the Hammettuer.
TBF, the Oz job is probably a fairly difficult one. They're kind of top tier but every big name coach has struggled with them since Rod Maqueen. Rennie is a much better coach then Foster, yet I don't think he can win the Bledisloe.
Disagree, how did he know, he had signed with Aus 9 months before NZ job was available. To be honest like players, if coaches think it easier to get job overseas than even tp apply, are they what we want as coaches? At least when Deans went , he applied fpr AB job before. And Rennie was probably right, he was not top of list in NZ, and I will bet you or almost any poster who suddenly became Rennie fans weren't yelling then that he should be next AB coach. The only person I saw called for from internet experts was Razor, even Schmidt's name wasn't bandied around on net, until he came back to NZ, and NZR had approached him early I believe and as I said he was apparently mentally struggling with test rugby coaching!
