All Blacks vs Pumas II
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@african-monkey said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@chris Geez mate a bit desperate going to the journalists to back up your point haha. They would have less knowledge than us idiots on here and we're bad enough!
FWIW, I can see why people are criticising Blackadder, but there's something to work with there. Hes a handy player to have in the squad and there's far more upside in his game than Frizzell. I think he'll go better in his next start but probably wouldn't have him in my strongest 23 just yet, but still, far better than last years options Grace and Frizzell who both should never have been anywhere near the squad.
I remember saying after his debut that Taukeiaho is the future and its definitely looking that way. Going forward, I would actually like him and Aumua in our 23 with Taukeiaho starting as his set piece work is far better than Aumua (which Aumua will no doubt improve at) but they sure do get through a lot of work and its effective work as well. Both strong on the carry and hit hard on d. Nothing against Taylor as he's done fairly well in the past, but his form has dipped in the last season or 2 in Black and I'd probably have him as 4th choice now (shows our depth there at the same time). Coles imo, still has a bit to offer and will keep the 2 youngsters honest.
Am I the only one who was very impressed with Vaai? Every time he carried he busted over the advantage line and got us good go forward. I thought he out performed Tuipulotu and is certainly more mobile around the field than Tuipulotu who for me, is no more than a 20 minute player at test level but for me, is the 5th choice lock. Hes a bit slow getting off the deck and is slow to get into defensive position. He'll get caught out in d against a quicker side with halfbacks that will snipe around the ruck and play at a quicker tempo, similar to Luke Romano a few years back, which i feel Tuipulotu is these days, which is another version of Romano. His physicality is also less prominent at the highest level where more often than not he gets caught either on or behind the advantage line with ball in hand. Funnily enough, I think Japanese rugby will help him which usually isn't the case with our big men, as it might speed him up a bit around the field.
Sotutu was back to his best I thought. He picked his moments when to pick and go, targeting the lazy Argies ruck defence and did it brilliantly which led to the first try. Hes been guilty for me of overplaying his hand a lot of the time and trying to pull off the miracle plays but yesterday, he rained it in and we saw how good he can be when he uses his brain. His work off the back of the scrum was also top notch for me, where he got us out of trouble with his carries, as well as playing a part in Perenara's first half try with his work off our attacking scrum. Again, not quite in our strongest starting 23, but he provides good competition for the starters.
Is it just me or has Lomax improved out of sight from last year? He was very strong at scrum time and I like what he brings in the tight (even though he plays on the edge traditionally) but yeah, been really impressed with his game of late. I never thought too much of him in the past, but he looks a much better than what I've seen of him previously and is miles ahead of Ta'avao imo. With Tu'ungafasi's injury record of late, I think Lomax should be there if any injuries occur especially against the bigger more physical sides. Ta'avao is not test standard for me as he is a poor scrummager and is not even effective around the field as he misses tackles and doesn't really carry which is a must for an impact player. I'd consider him as nothing more than an ok Super Rugby player.
Sad to say that I can't see Christie lasting beyond this year as an AB. He didn't seem to enjoy the Argies pressure at ruck and set piece time. He wasn't terrible, but he looks a bit fragile out there and will get monstered out there with teams that apply pressure at breakdown time. He tries to play at a quick tempo similar to McDermott for the Wallabies, but lacks a Smith type pass and strength to give himself time in contact when in trouble like Perenara has to be considered a real option at test level, and has no real box kick or any kicking game in general. Still, good to have him if shit hits the fan in that position.
Was impressed with McKenzie and Tupaea. McKenzie didn't overplay his hand which was key and played very flat, getting our runners hitting the ball at pace which kept the argies defence guessing, as its not usually what we see from him. He looked very assured out there and him, Tupaea and Rieko looked very comfortable working together. We saw another side to McKenzie game last night and showed that he can be a quality 10 at test level when he uses his brain and doesn't try and score off every play, similar to Sotutu. I feel you can only take 2 out of him, Barrett and Mo'unga in the starting 23 and before this test it would have been Barretg and Mo'unga off the bench, but with McKenzie being the more versatile out of the 2 and proving that he can be effective as a 1st receiver, maybe Mo'unga misses out in the future? Good problem to have having said that.
George Bridge is a funny one. Not a fan of his usually, but would be be worth starting against the Boks next week? He'd nullify De Klerk's box kick. Yes he's ineffective in the contact despite his efforts to get his hands on the ball, can get caught out on d but went ok last night, but he goes alright in the air. He's a safe option, something you're more likely to see in a European back 3, but lacks the attacking spark that we like in our left wings like we have in Ioane, Clarke and Faianganuku where they can smash themselves over the advantage line. Maybe a start next week for him however to blunt their high ball tactic for one of the fern favorites? Even if he only plays the first 50, I wouldn't complain, before bringing/ shifing Ioane/Reece to the left wing (I'd have Reece kn the bench) to finish the game. Food for thought anyway. A solid, without being spectacular outing from our George last night.
Someone has to stick up for the young pup,
Calling for the end to his career as a couple of people did last night was over the top,
Even Fozzie gave Blackadder big raps.
I am not saying he should be in the top 23 as yet but has something for the future and adds to our depth,@chris said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Calling for the end to his career as a couple of people did last night was over the top,
That was me, and I wasn't saying he should never play again. I was saying that stupidly giving a pointless penalty straight after a score to let the opposition back in the game is an act that gives coaches the shits. It is the sort of thing that make coaches say Yeah, Nah - a career ending level of stupidity if that is the norm. He was not under pressure, and neither were the ABs. He's lucky Eddie wasn't coach! He has a great engine but made far too many mistakes.
Commentators and mainstream media seem to rate players on the number of times they mention their name, rather than accuracy and intelligent play. Means those grafters who are core to good test match rugby are often under rated, and those that are here there and everywhere get the points. DMac very much in this mold, normally. Rated high when really he causes his team a load of problems with the flashy shit. Not this game tho.
So yeah Ethan is a late starter at 26 and need sto get his accuracy up to feature more. Hopefully he will.
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@chris said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Calling for the end to his career as a couple of people did last night was over the top,
That was me, and I wasn't saying he should never play again. I was saying that stupidly giving a pointless penalty straight after a score to let the opposition back in the game is an act that gives coaches the shits. It is the sort of thing that make coaches say Yeah, Nah - a career ending level of stupidity if that is the norm. He was not under pressure, and neither were the ABs. He's lucky Eddie wasn't coach! He has a great engine but made far too many mistakes.
Commentators and mainstream media seem to rate players on the number of times they mention their name, rather than accuracy and intelligent play. Means those grafters who are core to good test match rugby are often under rated, and those that are here there and everywhere get the points. DMac very much in this mold, normally. Rated high when really he causes his team a load of problems with the flashy shit. Not this game tho.
So yeah Ethan is a late starter at 26 and need sto get his accuracy up to feature more. Hopefully he will.
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Calling for the end to his career as a couple of people did last night was over the top,
That was me, and I wasn't saying he should never play again. I was saying that stupidly giving a pointless penalty straight after a score to let the opposition back in the game is an act that gives coaches the shits. It is the sort of thing that make coaches say Yeah, Nah. He's lucky Eddie wasn't coach! He has a great engine but made far too many mistakes.
Commentators and mainstream media seem to rate players on the number of times they mention their name, rather than accuracy and intelligent play. Means those grafters who are core to good test match rugby are often under rated, and those that are here there and everywhere get the points. DMac very much in this mold, normally. Rated high when really he causes his team a load of problems with the flashy shit. Not this game tho.
So yeah Ethan is a late starter at 26 and need sto get his accuracy up to feature more
Seems a reasonable post,I don't disagree with all your points.But Blackadder is a wait and see if he fine tunes his game to grow as a 6.
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Hell of an effort from Vaa'i to go 80, but the only time I've "seen" him is when he's dotting down. Struggling with if that's a good thing or not.
He's not much of a presence eh.
Can't say I've noticed him carrying much. Seems to be used as support.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Hell of an effort from Vaa'i to go 80, but the only time I've "seen" him is when he's dotting down. Struggling with if that's a good thing or not.
He's not much of a presence eh.
Can't say I've noticed him carrying much. Seems to be used as support.
Vaa'i was being used as a distributor with those short passes in the midfield. But he did have more carries and run metres than Tuipulotu.
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@derpus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Are the ABs number 1 again yet? No one is even close.
Not quite
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Are the ABs number 1 again yet? No one is even close.
Not quite
apparently we are. Sounds like this was a 'home game' for the Argies. It's not great - but there's a fair bit of reporting that we're back to No1.
You'd think this sort of thing would have been clarified by World Rugby or SANZAAAAAAARSE before the game started, eh
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Are the ABs number 1 again yet? No one is even close.
Not quite
apparently we are. Sounds like this was a 'home game' for the Argies. It's not great - but there's a fair bit of reporting that we're back to No1.
You'd think this sort of thing would have been clarified by World Rugby or SANZAAAAAAARSE before the game started, eh
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Are the ABs number 1 again yet? No one is even close.
Not quite
apparently we are. Sounds like this was a 'home game' for the Argies. It's not great - but there's a fair bit of reporting that we're back to No1.
You'd think this sort of thing would have been clarified by World Rugby or SANZAAAAAAARSE before the game started, eh
I think that would be stupid if true. It's a game played on neutral ground, no matter where it was supposed to be played.
Do we know if last week was considered a home game for us for ratings purposes.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Are the ABs number 1 again yet? No one is even close.
Not quite
apparently we are. Sounds like this was a 'home game' for the Argies. It's not great - but there's a fair bit of reporting that we're back to No1.
You'd think this sort of thing would have been clarified by World Rugby or SANZAAAAAAARSE before the game started, eh
I think that would be stupid if true. It's a game played on neutral ground, no matter where it was supposed to be played.
Do we know if last week was considered a home game for us for ratings purposes.
@damo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Are the ABs number 1 again yet? No one is even close.
Not quite
apparently we are. Sounds like this was a 'home game' for the Argies. It's not great - but there's a fair bit of reporting that we're back to No1.
You'd think this sort of thing would have been clarified by World Rugby or SANZAAAAAAARSE before the game started, eh
I think that would be stupid if true. It's a game played on neutral ground, no matter where it was supposed to be played.
Do we know if last week was considered a home game for us for ratings purposes.
I guess we must have, if this was the same for Argentina. Was a boks home game too, then. Fucking stupid if that's the decision for ranking points
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@damo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Are the ABs number 1 again yet? No one is even close.
Not quite
apparently we are. Sounds like this was a 'home game' for the Argies. It's not great - but there's a fair bit of reporting that we're back to No1.
You'd think this sort of thing would have been clarified by World Rugby or SANZAAAAAAARSE before the game started, eh
I think that would be stupid if true. It's a game played on neutral ground, no matter where it was supposed to be played.
Do we know if last week was considered a home game for us for ratings purposes.
I guess we must have, if this was the same for Argentina. Was a boks home game too, then. Fucking stupid if that's the decision for ranking points
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@damo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Are the ABs number 1 again yet? No one is even close.
Not quite
apparently we are. Sounds like this was a 'home game' for the Argies. It's not great - but there's a fair bit of reporting that we're back to No1.
You'd think this sort of thing would have been clarified by World Rugby or SANZAAAAAAARSE before the game started, eh
I think that would be stupid if true. It's a game played on neutral ground, no matter where it was supposed to be played.
Do we know if last week was considered a home game for us for ratings purposes.
I guess we must have, if this was the same for Argentina. Was a boks home game too, then. Fucking stupid if that's the decision for ranking points
Haha so the Boks play Australia in Australia and World Rugby consider it a home game for the Boks.
I reckon this hasn't been thought through properly. Who cares where the game was originally scheduled to be played 6 months ago
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Not unusual for a loose forward to get caught out of position on defense in their first season of test rugby. Happened with Papalii a few times, but now he's a gun.
Blackadder had some good impact, but has noticeably missed tackles in his previous outings. Nothing wrong with his technique, rather his positioning. He will likely improve.
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@damo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Are the ABs number 1 again yet? No one is even close.
Not quite
apparently we are. Sounds like this was a 'home game' for the Argies. It's not great - but there's a fair bit of reporting that we're back to No1.
You'd think this sort of thing would have been clarified by World Rugby or SANZAAAAAAARSE before the game started, eh
I think that would be stupid if true. It's a game played on neutral ground, no matter where it was supposed to be played.
Do we know if last week was considered a home game for us for ratings purposes.
I guess we must have, if this was the same for Argentina. Was a boks home game too, then. Fucking stupid if that's the decision for ranking points
Haha so the Boks play Australia in Australia and World Rugby consider it a home game for the Boks.
I reckon this hasn't been thought through properly. Who cares where the game was originally scheduled to be played 6 months ago
@damo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@damo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Are the ABs number 1 again yet? No one is even close.
Not quite
apparently we are. Sounds like this was a 'home game' for the Argies. It's not great - but there's a fair bit of reporting that we're back to No1.
You'd think this sort of thing would have been clarified by World Rugby or SANZAAAAAAARSE before the game started, eh
I think that would be stupid if true. It's a game played on neutral ground, no matter where it was supposed to be played.
Do we know if last week was considered a home game for us for ratings purposes.
I guess we must have, if this was the same for Argentina. Was a boks home game too, then. Fucking stupid if that's the decision for ranking points
Haha so the Boks play Australia in Australia and World Rugby consider it a home game for the Boks.
I reckon this hasn't been thought through properly. Who cares where the game was originally scheduled to be played 6 months ago
We'll find out on Monday, if we are world 1, then that is what has happened for the rankings If not, WR have at least 2 brain cells to rub together.
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@damo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Are the ABs number 1 again yet? No one is even close.
Not quite
apparently we are. Sounds like this was a 'home game' for the Argies. It's not great - but there's a fair bit of reporting that we're back to No1.
You'd think this sort of thing would have been clarified by World Rugby or SANZAAAAAAARSE before the game started, eh
I think that would be stupid if true. It's a game played on neutral ground, no matter where it was supposed to be played.
Do we know if last week was considered a home game for us for ratings purposes.
I guess we must have, if this was the same for Argentina. Was a boks home game too, then. Fucking stupid if that's the decision for ranking points
Haha so the Boks play Australia in Australia and World Rugby consider it a home game for the Boks.
I reckon this hasn't been thought through properly. Who cares where the game was originally scheduled to be played 6 months ago
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@damo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
I reckon this hasn't been thought through properly.
Rugby administrators making a bollocks of their competitions?
I find that extremely hard to believe.
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@damo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
I reckon this hasn't been thought through properly.
Rugby administrators making a bollocks of their competitions?
I find that extremely hard to believe.
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Anyone know what the actual rule on picking up the ball from inside a ruck is? Do you just need something behind that last foot? Because ruling one out last week and letting it stand this week is a bad look for world rugby.
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@african-monkey nice post. Agree about Blackadder compared with options out there except maybe the Ginger.
Agree about the hookers. I think Taylor’s form has dropped as well and with the go forward with ST and AA it means we are on the front foot more. Lineouts I don’t remember being a problem yesterday.
Agree with Dmac covering on the bench. JB to start.
TV and Lomax were pretty good and I am with you in him replacing PT.
Understand the safety of Bridge but you lost me there. Did not do anything wrong but not in my starting 23.
@broughie On Bridge, yeah, I wouldn't usually have him in my 23, but against a team that likes to put the ball up, I think he may be a good option. As I said, not really a fan of his, but I can understand why if he does get the nod for the boks with De Klerk, Pollard and Le Roux putting a lot of bombs up.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Anyone know what the actual rule on picking up the ball from inside a ruck is? Do you just need something behind that last foot? Because ruling one out last week and letting it stand this week is a bad look for world rugby.
From the most recent Game Management Guidelines:
"At a tackle, a player can pick up the ball as long as one foot is level with or behind the ball. At a ruck, a
player can pick up the ball as long as both feet are level with or behind the ball. If a player is still bound
with an opponent, then they cannot pick up the ball."So if there is no ruck, one foot. If it's a ruck and you're not bound to an opponent, two feet.
