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  • NepiaN Nepia

    @Higgins said in Super Rugby News:

    At this rate there can't be many spots open in any of the five NZ squads for anyone that comes from out of the blue in the Mitre10 Cup to compete for.

    I find it annoying that increasingly the NPC to Super pathway is being minimised with players being tied up early. A reward for a stellar NPC should be a Super berth, not being chucked into an incase of injury pool and having to wait for the next year to be selected in the squad.

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    #2249

    @Nepia yep, contracts being offered to kids who have barely even played M10 Cup (if at all in some cases) sure there is the odd exception that warrants it, but must be frustrating for some of the 23-25 yr olds who have been playing M10 at a good enough level for years miss out to some kid that gets a contract just so they don't get picked by someone else.

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      My problem is with mediocre players continuing to get Super Rugby contracts who clearly aren't up to it - Sam Prattley etc

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        #2251

        Any ideas for a solution? Do they allow x number of young players on top of the squad numbers? Do they have some sort of transfer window? A draft system like the AFL?

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          #2252

          Clarke and Papali'i are pretty obvious signings. I don't see any problem with young guys working their way through the age group teams and earning a contract.

          I don't have sympathy for a 23-25 year old who can't squeeze his way into the top ~200 players in the country. That means not being rated by 5 different sets of selectors. It's not a charity.

          The problem is the lack of open spots 1 week into the NPC season. Some franchises have already claimed their roster is almost sorted.. thats a real issue

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          • DuluthD Duluth

            Clarke and Papali'i are pretty obvious signings. I don't see any problem with young guys working their way through the age group teams and earning a contract.

            I don't have sympathy for a 23-25 year old who can't squeeze his way into the top ~200 players in the country. That means not being rated by 5 different sets of selectors. It's not a charity.

            The problem is the lack of open spots 1 week into the NPC season. Some franchises have already claimed their roster is almost sorted.. thats a real issue

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            #2253

            @Duluth said in Super Rugby News:

            Clarke and Papali'i are pretty obvious signings. I don't see any problem with young guys working their way through the age group teams and earning a contract.

            I don't have sympathy for a 23-25 year old who can't squeeze his way into the top ~200 players in the country. That means not being rated by 5 different sets of selectors. It's not a charity.

            The problem is the lack of open spots 1 week into the NPC season. Some franchises have already claimed their roster is almost sorted.. thats a real issue**

            Agree with this entirely.

            The Jock Hobbs National Under 19 tournament is putting 400 players into view every year. Super teams are getting an eyeful of this emerging talent every year and taking punts on players. This is leading to a Mitre 10 Cup performer being ignored.

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            • chimoausC chimoaus

              Any ideas for a solution? Do they allow x number of young players on top of the squad numbers? Do they have some sort of transfer window? A draft system like the AFL?

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              #2254

              @chimoaus said in Super Rugby News:

              some sort of transfer window?

              That might help.. but the downside is it would make players more vulnerable to overseas offers waiting for the window

              I think it might sort it self out over time. The lack of spots seems a lot worse this year.
              When franchises miss out on high quality SR players because they didn't leave spots open for NPC breakouts, behaviour will change

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                Players can still emerge through the NPC though. How many had heard of Mitchell Brown before he was selected to make his debut for the Chiefs against Wales last year? He wasn't named in the original squad but was part of the WTG.

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                • DuluthD Duluth

                  Clarke and Papali'i are pretty obvious signings. I don't see any problem with young guys working their way through the age group teams and earning a contract.

                  I don't have sympathy for a 23-25 year old who can't squeeze his way into the top ~200 players in the country. That means not being rated by 5 different sets of selectors. It's not a charity.

                  The problem is the lack of open spots 1 week into the NPC season. Some franchises have already claimed their roster is almost sorted.. thats a real issue

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                  @Duluth I wasn't meaning anyone in particular and tbf there probably aren't big numbers of truly unlucky players but are still a few who do get shut out because so few spots exist due to signing these young guys who might not play in thier first year of a 3 year contract.

                  Also don't think there is an easy fix...is just guys getting contracted out of school is becoming more normal I guess.

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                  • StargazerS Stargazer

                    @JayCee said in Super Rugby News:

                    radio sport are reporting that Bryn Hall has re-signed with the Crusaders

                    Confirmed by the Crusaders. Hall has re-signed for one season.

                    http://crusaders.co.nz/news/1142-bryn-hall-re-signs-with-bnz-crusaders

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                    #2257

                    @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:

                    @JayCee said in Super Rugby News:

                    radio sport are reporting that Bryn Hall has re-signed with the Crusaders

                    Confirmed by the Crusaders. Hall has re-signed for one season.

                    http://crusaders.co.nz/news/1142-bryn-hall-re-signs-with-bnz-crusaders

                    So by my count:

                    Not yet signed from last year's squad:
                    Jed Brown
                    Quentin Strange
                    Andrew Makalio
                    Heiden Bedwell Curtis
                    Mitchell Dunshea
                    Tim Bateman
                    Manasa Makaele
                    Marty McKenzie
                    Sione Fifita
                    Sean Wainui

                    New signings:
                    Tom Sanders

                    So, still nine vacant slots assuming Richard Knowler is on the ball regarding unsigned players from last year.

                    Question for Crusaders fans. Do you cut Marty McKenzie and sign a young first five like Cameron or McKay - or stick with him as your third choice for another season given that if you need to actually use someone he'll probably be the best in the short term.

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                      Does anyone know if Delany has signed with any one?

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                      • JayCeeJ JayCee

                        Does anyone know if Delany has signed with any one?

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                        @JayCee He's not on my list. While that is no 100% guarantee he hasn't signed with anyone, I'm reasonably confident he's still a free man.

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                        • Chris B.C Chris B.

                          @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:

                          @JayCee said in Super Rugby News:

                          radio sport are reporting that Bryn Hall has re-signed with the Crusaders

                          Confirmed by the Crusaders. Hall has re-signed for one season.

                          http://crusaders.co.nz/news/1142-bryn-hall-re-signs-with-bnz-crusaders

                          So by my count:

                          Not yet signed from last year's squad:
                          Jed Brown
                          Quentin Strange
                          Andrew Makalio
                          Heiden Bedwell Curtis
                          Mitchell Dunshea
                          Tim Bateman
                          Manasa Makaele
                          Marty McKenzie
                          Sione Fifita
                          Sean Wainui

                          New signings:
                          Tom Sanders

                          So, still nine vacant slots assuming Richard Knowler is on the ball regarding unsigned players from last year.

                          Question for Crusaders fans. Do you cut Marty McKenzie and sign a young first five like Cameron or McKay - or stick with him as your third choice for another season given that if you need to actually use someone he'll probably be the best in the short term.

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                          @Chris-B.

                          Question for Crusaders fans. Do you cut Marty McKenzie and sign a young first five like Cameron or McKay - or stick with him as your third choice for another season given that if you need to actually use someone he'll probably be the best in the short term.

                          I would cut Marty McKenzie. He's a palagi Volavola. Our '3rd first five' position would be much better filled by someone like Josh McKay.

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                            Worth remembering Tim Bateman could fill that role of experienced, serviceable first five if we ever got in a hole where Mo'unga and Hunt fall over in the same week we play a NZ team where it's too important to start a McKay or Cameron.

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                              #2262

                              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/96264455/andrew-flexman-stepping-down-as-chief-executive-of-chiefs-super-rugby-club

                              Starting a fashion company - specialising in shirts.

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                                Savea not going anywhere...

                                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/96294277/julian-savea-to-stay-with-hurricanes

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                                  #2264

                                  WESTERN FORCE APPEAL: ARU WIN CASE TO AXE CLUB

                                  THE Western Force have lost their case in the NSW Supreme Court to overturn the ARU’s axing of the Super Rugby club.

                                  Justice David Hammerschlag handed down his decision this morning at the NSW Supreme Court.

                                  http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/rugby/western-force/western-force-appeal-aru-win-case-to-axe-club/news-story/f7bb046e97e3a86713778befbad58dfc

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                                    Tryel Lomax to play for Highlanders in 2019/2020

                                    http://thehighlanders.co.nz/news/849-promising-young-prop-returns-to-new-zealand

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                                      #2266

                                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/96751239/champion-crusaders-sign-speedy-canterbury-rookie-braydon-ennor

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                                      • DuluthD Duluth

                                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/96751239/champion-crusaders-sign-speedy-canterbury-rookie-braydon-ennor

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                                        #2267

                                        Ennor, a St Kentigern's old boy, is originally from Auckland but moved to Christchurch last year and is almost two years through a commerce degree at Canterbury University.

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                                        • TimT Tim

                                          Ennor, a St Kentigern's old boy, is originally from Auckland but moved to Christchurch last year and is almost two years through a commerce degree at Canterbury University.

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                                          @Tim said in Super Rugby News:

                                          Ennor, a St Kentigern's old boy, is originally from Auckland but moved to Christchurch last year and is almost two years through a commerce degree at Canterbury University.

                                          Smart move 🙂

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