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  • KiwiMurphK Offline
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    #2250

    My problem is with mediocre players continuing to get Super Rugby contracts who clearly aren't up to it - Sam Prattley etc

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      #2251

      Any ideas for a solution? Do they allow x number of young players on top of the squad numbers? Do they have some sort of transfer window? A draft system like the AFL?

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        #2252

        Clarke and Papali'i are pretty obvious signings. I don't see any problem with young guys working their way through the age group teams and earning a contract.

        I don't have sympathy for a 23-25 year old who can't squeeze his way into the top ~200 players in the country. That means not being rated by 5 different sets of selectors. It's not a charity.

        The problem is the lack of open spots 1 week into the NPC season. Some franchises have already claimed their roster is almost sorted.. thats a real issue

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        • DuluthD Duluth

          Clarke and Papali'i are pretty obvious signings. I don't see any problem with young guys working their way through the age group teams and earning a contract.

          I don't have sympathy for a 23-25 year old who can't squeeze his way into the top ~200 players in the country. That means not being rated by 5 different sets of selectors. It's not a charity.

          The problem is the lack of open spots 1 week into the NPC season. Some franchises have already claimed their roster is almost sorted.. thats a real issue

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          Number 10
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          #2253

          @Duluth said in Super Rugby News:

          Clarke and Papali'i are pretty obvious signings. I don't see any problem with young guys working their way through the age group teams and earning a contract.

          I don't have sympathy for a 23-25 year old who can't squeeze his way into the top ~200 players in the country. That means not being rated by 5 different sets of selectors. It's not a charity.

          The problem is the lack of open spots 1 week into the NPC season. Some franchises have already claimed their roster is almost sorted.. thats a real issue**

          Agree with this entirely.

          The Jock Hobbs National Under 19 tournament is putting 400 players into view every year. Super teams are getting an eyeful of this emerging talent every year and taking punts on players. This is leading to a Mitre 10 Cup performer being ignored.

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          • chimoausC chimoaus

            Any ideas for a solution? Do they allow x number of young players on top of the squad numbers? Do they have some sort of transfer window? A draft system like the AFL?

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            Duluth
            wrote on last edited by Duluth
            #2254

            @chimoaus said in Super Rugby News:

            some sort of transfer window?

            That might help.. but the downside is it would make players more vulnerable to overseas offers waiting for the window

            I think it might sort it self out over time. The lack of spots seems a lot worse this year.
            When franchises miss out on high quality SR players because they didn't leave spots open for NPC breakouts, behaviour will change

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              #2255

              Players can still emerge through the NPC though. How many had heard of Mitchell Brown before he was selected to make his debut for the Chiefs against Wales last year? He wasn't named in the original squad but was part of the WTG.

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              • DuluthD Duluth

                Clarke and Papali'i are pretty obvious signings. I don't see any problem with young guys working their way through the age group teams and earning a contract.

                I don't have sympathy for a 23-25 year old who can't squeeze his way into the top ~200 players in the country. That means not being rated by 5 different sets of selectors. It's not a charity.

                The problem is the lack of open spots 1 week into the NPC season. Some franchises have already claimed their roster is almost sorted.. thats a real issue

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                #2256

                @Duluth I wasn't meaning anyone in particular and tbf there probably aren't big numbers of truly unlucky players but are still a few who do get shut out because so few spots exist due to signing these young guys who might not play in thier first year of a 3 year contract.

                Also don't think there is an easy fix...is just guys getting contracted out of school is becoming more normal I guess.

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                • StargazerS Stargazer

                  @JayCee said in Super Rugby News:

                  radio sport are reporting that Bryn Hall has re-signed with the Crusaders

                  Confirmed by the Crusaders. Hall has re-signed for one season.

                  http://crusaders.co.nz/news/1142-bryn-hall-re-signs-with-bnz-crusaders

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                  #2257

                  @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:

                  @JayCee said in Super Rugby News:

                  radio sport are reporting that Bryn Hall has re-signed with the Crusaders

                  Confirmed by the Crusaders. Hall has re-signed for one season.

                  http://crusaders.co.nz/news/1142-bryn-hall-re-signs-with-bnz-crusaders

                  So by my count:

                  Not yet signed from last year's squad:
                  Jed Brown
                  Quentin Strange
                  Andrew Makalio
                  Heiden Bedwell Curtis
                  Mitchell Dunshea
                  Tim Bateman
                  Manasa Makaele
                  Marty McKenzie
                  Sione Fifita
                  Sean Wainui

                  New signings:
                  Tom Sanders

                  So, still nine vacant slots assuming Richard Knowler is on the ball regarding unsigned players from last year.

                  Question for Crusaders fans. Do you cut Marty McKenzie and sign a young first five like Cameron or McKay - or stick with him as your third choice for another season given that if you need to actually use someone he'll probably be the best in the short term.

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                    #2258

                    Does anyone know if Delany has signed with any one?

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                    • JayCeeJ JayCee

                      Does anyone know if Delany has signed with any one?

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                      #2259

                      @JayCee He's not on my list. While that is no 100% guarantee he hasn't signed with anyone, I'm reasonably confident he's still a free man.

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                      • Chris B.C Chris B.

                        @Stargazer said in Super Rugby News:

                        @JayCee said in Super Rugby News:

                        radio sport are reporting that Bryn Hall has re-signed with the Crusaders

                        Confirmed by the Crusaders. Hall has re-signed for one season.

                        http://crusaders.co.nz/news/1142-bryn-hall-re-signs-with-bnz-crusaders

                        So by my count:

                        Not yet signed from last year's squad:
                        Jed Brown
                        Quentin Strange
                        Andrew Makalio
                        Heiden Bedwell Curtis
                        Mitchell Dunshea
                        Tim Bateman
                        Manasa Makaele
                        Marty McKenzie
                        Sione Fifita
                        Sean Wainui

                        New signings:
                        Tom Sanders

                        So, still nine vacant slots assuming Richard Knowler is on the ball regarding unsigned players from last year.

                        Question for Crusaders fans. Do you cut Marty McKenzie and sign a young first five like Cameron or McKay - or stick with him as your third choice for another season given that if you need to actually use someone he'll probably be the best in the short term.

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                        #2260

                        @Chris-B.

                        Question for Crusaders fans. Do you cut Marty McKenzie and sign a young first five like Cameron or McKay - or stick with him as your third choice for another season given that if you need to actually use someone he'll probably be the best in the short term.

                        I would cut Marty McKenzie. He's a palagi Volavola. Our '3rd first five' position would be much better filled by someone like Josh McKay.

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                        • WurzelW Offline
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                          Wurzel
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                          #2261

                          Worth remembering Tim Bateman could fill that role of experienced, serviceable first five if we ever got in a hole where Mo'unga and Hunt fall over in the same week we play a NZ team where it's too important to start a McKay or Cameron.

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                            Tim
                            wrote on last edited by Tim
                            #2262

                            https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/96264455/andrew-flexman-stepping-down-as-chief-executive-of-chiefs-super-rugby-club

                            Starting a fashion company - specialising in shirts.

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                              #2263

                              Savea not going anywhere...

                              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/96294277/julian-savea-to-stay-with-hurricanes

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                                KiwiMurph
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                                #2264

                                WESTERN FORCE APPEAL: ARU WIN CASE TO AXE CLUB

                                THE Western Force have lost their case in the NSW Supreme Court to overturn the ARU’s axing of the Super Rugby club.

                                Justice David Hammerschlag handed down his decision this morning at the NSW Supreme Court.

                                http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/rugby/western-force/western-force-appeal-aru-win-case-to-axe-club/news-story/f7bb046e97e3a86713778befbad58dfc

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                                • taniwharugbyT Offline
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                                  #2265

                                  Tryel Lomax to play for Highlanders in 2019/2020

                                  http://thehighlanders.co.nz/news/849-promising-young-prop-returns-to-new-zealand

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                                  • DuluthD Offline
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                                    Duluth
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                                    #2266

                                    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/96751239/champion-crusaders-sign-speedy-canterbury-rookie-braydon-ennor

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                                    • DuluthD Duluth

                                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/96751239/champion-crusaders-sign-speedy-canterbury-rookie-braydon-ennor

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                                      Tim
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                                      #2267

                                      Ennor, a St Kentigern's old boy, is originally from Auckland but moved to Christchurch last year and is almost two years through a commerce degree at Canterbury University.

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                                      • TimT Tim

                                        Ennor, a St Kentigern's old boy, is originally from Auckland but moved to Christchurch last year and is almost two years through a commerce degree at Canterbury University.

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                                        #2268

                                        @Tim said in Super Rugby News:

                                        Ennor, a St Kentigern's old boy, is originally from Auckland but moved to Christchurch last year and is almost two years through a commerce degree at Canterbury University.

                                        Smart move 🙂

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                                        • SammyCS SammyC

                                          @Tim said in Super Rugby News:

                                          Ennor, a St Kentigern's old boy, is originally from Auckland but moved to Christchurch last year and is almost two years through a commerce degree at Canterbury University.

                                          Smart move 🙂

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                                          Tim
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                                          #2269

                                          @SammyC shakes fist 🙂

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