NZ tour of India
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@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 You asked if anyone had had spinners of that calibre before. Batting is a bonus. Their core skill is bowling. Anyway in those days you only expected a handful of runs from your lower order - seven down, all out.
Well no, from a NZ perspective Paddles, Bracewell, L Cairns, Collingwood etc we’re all pretty handy batsmen.
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 You asked if anyone had had spinners of that calibre before. Batting is a bonus. Their core skill is bowling. Anyway in those days you only expected a handful of runs from your lower order - seven down, all out.
Well no, from a NZ perspective Paddles, Bracewell, L Cairns, Collingwood etc we’re all pretty handy batsmen.
Test batting averages of 27.16 (Paddles normally came in at five down...), 20.42, 16.28, and 14.40 (Collinge) respectively. And they're the ones that stood out
Though there was that record partnership between Collinge and Hastings that stood the test of time and held the record for 40 years or so - 153 runs for the 10th wicket.
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 You asked if anyone had had spinners of that calibre before. Batting is a bonus. Their core skill is bowling. Anyway in those days you only expected a handful of runs from your lower order - seven down, all out.
Well no, from a NZ perspective Paddles, Bracewell, L Cairns, Collingwood etc we’re all pretty handy batsmen.
Test batting averages of 27.16 (Paddles normally came in at five down...), 20.42, 16.28, and 14.40 (Collinge) respectively. And they're the ones that stood out
Though there was that record partnership between Collinge and Hastings that stood the test of time and held the record for 40 years or so - 153 runs for the 10th wicket.
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 You asked if anyone had had spinners of that calibre before. Batting is a bonus. Their core skill is bowling. Anyway in those days you only expected a handful of runs from your lower order - seven down, all out.
Well no, from a NZ perspective Paddles, Bracewell, L Cairns, Collingwood etc we’re all pretty handy batsmen.
Test batting averages of 27.16 (Paddles normally came in at five down...), 20.42, 16.28, and 14.40 (Collinge) respectively. And they're the ones that stood out
Though there was that record partnership between Collinge and Hastings that stood the test of time and held the record for 40 years or so - 153 runs for the 10th wicket.
Definitely less bunnies nowadays than back in the day, but @dogmeats statement was definitely not accurate. Your numbers 7-9 in most teams in history can generally hold a bat at the very least.
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@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 You asked if anyone had had spinners of that calibre before. Batting is a bonus. Their core skill is bowling. Anyway in those days you only expected a handful of runs from your lower order - seven down, all out.
Well no, from a NZ perspective Paddles, Bracewell, L Cairns, Collingwood etc we’re all pretty handy batsmen.
Test batting averages of 27.16 (Paddles normally came in at five down...), 20.42, 16.28, and 14.40 (Collinge) respectively. And they're the ones that stood out
Though there was that record partnership between Collinge and Hastings that stood the test of time and held the record for 40 years or so - 153 runs for the 10th wicket.
Definitely less bunnies nowadays than back in the day, but @dogmeats statement was definitely not accurate. Your numbers 7-9 in most teams in history can generally hold a bat at the very least.
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 You asked if anyone had had spinners of that calibre before. Batting is a bonus. Their core skill is bowling. Anyway in those days you only expected a handful of runs from your lower order - seven down, all out.
Well no, from a NZ perspective Paddles, Bracewell, L Cairns, Collingwood etc we’re all pretty handy batsmen.
Test batting averages of 27.16 (Paddles normally came in at five down...), 20.42, 16.28, and 14.40 (Collinge) respectively. And they're the ones that stood out
Though there was that record partnership between Collinge and Hastings that stood the test of time and held the record for 40 years or so - 153 runs for the 10th wicket.
Definitely less bunnies nowadays than back in the day, but @dogmeats statement was definitely not accurate. Your numbers 7-9 in most teams in history can generally hold a bat at the very least.
T20 means they can hit! Bunnies at the top level are super rare now, not sure Chris Martin would get a look in these days
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I would have thought swap Wagner for a spinner next test.
I am not totally convinced that spinner should be Somerville. I would have thought Rachin Ravindra was th emost average of the spinners. Somerville is now making a reasonable fist with the bat also. He also hung around determinedly in the first innings.
I think he shows real grit and I like the cut of his jib.
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I would have thought swap Wagner for a spinner next test.
I am not totally convinced that spinner should be Somerville. I would have thought Rachin Ravindra was th emost average of the spinners. Somerville is now making a reasonable fist with the bat also. He also hung around determinedly in the first innings.
I think he shows real grit and I like the cut of his jib.
@damo said in NZ tour of India:
I would have thought swap Wagner for a spinner next test.
I am not totally convinced that spinner should be Somerville. I would have thought Rachin Ravindra was th emost average of the spinners. Somerville is now making a reasonable fist with the bat also. He also hung around determinedly in the first innings.
I think he shows real grit and I like the cut of his jib.
Jason Gillespie got dropped after a double ton as night watchman. Just saying.
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@damo said in NZ tour of India:
That was a dreadful review. Appalling.
I only hope that comes to bite them later
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I would have thought swap Wagner for a spinner next test.
I am not totally convinced that spinner should be Somerville. I would have thought Rachin Ravindra was th emost average of the spinners. Somerville is now making a reasonable fist with the bat also. He also hung around determinedly in the first innings.
I think he shows real grit and I like the cut of his jib.
@damo said in NZ tour of India:
I would have thought swap Wagner for a spinner next test.
I am not totally convinced that spinner should be Somerville. I would have thought Rachin Ravindra was th emost average of the spinners. Somerville is now making a reasonable fist with the bat also. He also hung around determinedly in the first innings.
I think he shows real grit and I like the cut of his jib.
Thought he bowled the best as well. I know Ajaz got wickets but Sommerville applied the most pressure.
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@damo said in NZ tour of India:
I would have thought swap Wagner for a spinner next test.
I am not totally convinced that spinner should be Somerville. I would have thought Rachin Ravindra was th emost average of the spinners. Somerville is now making a reasonable fist with the bat also. He also hung around determinedly in the first innings.
I think he shows real grit and I like the cut of his jib.
Jason Gillespie got dropped after a double ton as night watchman. Just saying.
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
e shows real grit and I like the cut of his jib.
Jason Gillespie got dropped after a double ton just saying.
Sure but we have the choice of 3 average spinners and our batting isn't great. Aussie had the choice of some very talented bowlers and good batsmen.
Somerville is probably ranked 2 out of 3 in terms of bowling, and he has shown in two innings he can hang around for 50+ balls. He'd be my guy for the second test.
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
e shows real grit and I like the cut of his jib.
Jason Gillespie got dropped after a double ton just saying.
Sure but we have the choice of 3 average spinners and our batting isn't great. Aussie had the choice of some very talented bowlers and good batsmen.
Somerville is probably ranked 2 out of 3 in terms of bowling, and he has shown in two innings he can hang around for 50+ balls. He'd be my guy for the second test.
@damo said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
e shows real grit and I like the cut of his jib.
Jason Gillespie got dropped after a double ton just saying.
Sure but we have the choice of 3 average spinners and our batting isn't great. Aussie had the choice of some very talented bowlers and good batsmen.
Somerville is probably ranked 2 out of 3 in terms of bowling, and he has shown in two innings he can hang around for 50+ balls. He'd be my guy for the second test.
Just to clarify - I mean in these particular conditions. Otherwise I think our batting is pretty great.
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@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 You asked if anyone had had spinners of that calibre before. Batting is a bonus. Their core skill is bowling. Anyway in those days you only expected a handful of runs from your lower order - seven down, all out.
Well no, from a NZ perspective Paddles, Bracewell, L Cairns, Collingwood etc we’re all pretty handy batsmen.
Test batting averages of 27.16 (Paddles normally came in at five down...), 20.42, 16.28, and 14.40 (Collinge) respectively. And they're the ones that stood out
Though there was that record partnership between Collinge and Hastings that stood the test of time and held the record for 40 years or so - 153 runs for the 10th wicket.
Definitely less bunnies nowadays than back in the day, but @dogmeats statement was definitely not accurate. Your numbers 7-9 in most teams in history can generally hold a bat at the very least.
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 You asked if anyone had had spinners of that calibre before. Batting is a bonus. Their core skill is bowling. Anyway in those days you only expected a handful of runs from your lower order - seven down, all out.
Well no, from a NZ perspective Paddles, Bracewell, L Cairns, Collingwood etc we’re all pretty handy batsmen.
Test batting averages of 27.16 (Paddles normally came in at five down...), 20.42, 16.28, and 14.40 (Collinge) respectively. And they're the ones that stood out
Though there was that record partnership between Collinge and Hastings that stood the test of time and held the record for 40 years or so - 153 runs for the 10th wicket.
Definitely less bunnies nowadays than back in the day, but @dogmeats statement was definitely not accurate. Your numbers 7-9 in most teams in history can generally hold a bat at the very least.
I read it as @dogmeat referring to 9, 10, and 11.
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 You asked if anyone had had spinners of that calibre before. Batting is a bonus. Their core skill is bowling. Anyway in those days you only expected a handful of runs from your lower order - seven down, all out.
Well no, from a NZ perspective Paddles, Bracewell, L Cairns, Collingwood etc we’re all pretty handy batsmen.
Test batting averages of 27.16 (Paddles normally came in at five down...), 20.42, 16.28, and 14.40 (Collinge) respectively. And they're the ones that stood out
Though there was that record partnership between Collinge and Hastings that stood the test of time and held the record for 40 years or so - 153 runs for the 10th wicket.
Definitely less bunnies nowadays than back in the day, but @dogmeats statement was definitely not accurate. Your numbers 7-9 in most teams in history can generally hold a bat at the very least.
I read it as @dogmeat referring to 9, 10, and 11.
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 You asked if anyone had had spinners of that calibre before. Batting is a bonus. Their core skill is bowling. Anyway in those days you only expected a handful of runs from your lower order - seven down, all out.
Well no, from a NZ perspective Paddles, Bracewell, L Cairns, Collingwood etc we’re all pretty handy batsmen.
Test batting averages of 27.16 (Paddles normally came in at five down...), 20.42, 16.28, and 14.40 (Collinge) respectively. And they're the ones that stood out
Though there was that record partnership between Collinge and Hastings that stood the test of time and held the record for 40 years or so - 153 runs for the 10th wicket.
Definitely less bunnies nowadays than back in the day, but @dogmeats statement was definitely not accurate. Your numbers 7-9 in most teams in history can generally hold a bat at the very least.
I read it as @dogmeat referring to 9, 10, and 11.
I chose to be offended and outraged. More fun that way.
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
e shows real grit and I like the cut of his jib.
Jason Gillespie got dropped after a double ton just saying.
Sure but we have the choice of 3 average spinners and our batting isn't great. Aussie had the choice of some very talented bowlers and good batsmen.
Somerville is probably ranked 2 out of 3 in terms of bowling, and he has shown in two innings he can hang around for 50+ balls. He'd be my guy for the second test.
@damo said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
e shows real grit and I like the cut of his jib.
Jason Gillespie got dropped after a double ton just saying.
Sure but we have the choice of 3 average spinners and our batting isn't great. Aussie had the choice of some very talented bowlers and good batsmen.
Somerville is probably ranked 2 out of 3 in terms of bowling, and he has shown in two innings he can hang around for 50+ balls. He'd be my guy for the second test.
A very tongue in cheek comment. Somerville has impressed me hugely so far.
I’ve always found the idea of a night watchman pretty ridiculous to be honest. You’re a batsman who’s been sitting on your arse for however long, go and bat for a couple of overs for fucks sake. It’s your job.
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@damo said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
e shows real grit and I like the cut of his jib.
Jason Gillespie got dropped after a double ton just saying.
Sure but we have the choice of 3 average spinners and our batting isn't great. Aussie had the choice of some very talented bowlers and good batsmen.
Somerville is probably ranked 2 out of 3 in terms of bowling, and he has shown in two innings he can hang around for 50+ balls. He'd be my guy for the second test.
A very tongue in cheek comment. Somerville has impressed me hugely so far.
I’ve always found the idea of a night watchman pretty ridiculous to be honest. You’re a batsman who’s been sitting on your arse for however long, go and bat for a couple of overs for fucks sake. It’s your job.
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
A very tongue in cheek comment. Somerville has impressed me hugely so far.
I’ve always found the idea of a night watchman pretty ridiculous to be honest. You’re a batsman who’s been sitting on your arse for however long, go and bat for a couple of overs for fucks sake. It’s your job.I don't really agree with your assessment of nightwatchmen. A batsman's most vulnerable period is starting (both at the beginning of an innings, and the next morning). If you can avoid having to start twice then it is optimal strategy.
Who cares what it looks like, or what a batsman's job should be. Just go with the optimal strategy. For me that means using a night watchman.
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
A very tongue in cheek comment. Somerville has impressed me hugely so far.
I’ve always found the idea of a night watchman pretty ridiculous to be honest. You’re a batsman who’s been sitting on your arse for however long, go and bat for a couple of overs for fucks sake. It’s your job.I don't really agree with your assessment of nightwatchmen. A batsman's most vulnerable period is starting (both at the beginning of an innings, and the next morning). If you can avoid having to start twice then it is optimal strategy.
Who cares what it looks like, or what a batsman's job should be. Just go with the optimal strategy. For me that means using a night watchman.
@damo said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
A very tongue in cheek comment. Somerville has impressed me hugely so far.
I’ve always found the idea of a night watchman pretty ridiculous to be honest. You’re a batsman who’s been sitting on your arse for however long, go and bat for a couple of overs for fucks sake. It’s your job.I don't really agree with your assessment of nightwatchmen. A batsman's most vulnerable period is starting (both at the beginning of an innings, and the next morning). If you can avoid having to start twice then it is optimal strategy.
Who cares what it looks like, or what a batsman's job should be. Just go with the optimal strategy. For me that means using a night watchman.
Agree to disagree to some extent. Cricket is catered for batsmen overall, if you’re a shit bowler you never have to bowl…..( have a quick google of Stephen Flemings test bowling stats ) but if you’re a shit batsman you sometimes have to bat.
Somerville slogged his guts out for quite awhile and then has to pad up and go out there and face a bit of pressure ( which he’s handled very well to be fair )
Strategies don’t always work out perfectly.
Then again KW is God so whatever he wants, he gets.
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Australia had the two best leg spinners in the world at the same time.
MacGill only played 44 tests but took 208 wickets at 29.
@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
Australia had the two best leg spinners in the world at the same time.
MacGill only played 44 tests but took 208 wickets at 29.
MacGill was very good.
Who was their third spinner though ?
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@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
Australia had the two best leg spinners in the world at the same time.
MacGill only played 44 tests but took 208 wickets at 29.
MacGill was very good.
Who was their third spinner though ?
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
Australia had the two best leg spinners in the world at the same time.
MacGill only played 44 tests but took 208 wickets at 29.
MacGill was very good.
Who was their third spinner though ?
Colin Miller.
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
Australia had the two best leg spinners in the world at the same time.
MacGill only played 44 tests but took 208 wickets at 29.
MacGill was very good.
Who was their third spinner though ?
Colin Miller.
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
Australia had the two best leg spinners in the world at the same time.
MacGill only played 44 tests but took 208 wickets at 29.
MacGill was very good.
Who was their third spinner though ?
Colin Miller.
Barely played. MUCH higher average than Axar Patel.
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@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 You asked if anyone had had spinners of that calibre before. Batting is a bonus. Their core skill is bowling. Anyway in those days you only expected a handful of runs from your lower order - seven down, all out.
Well no, from a NZ perspective Paddles, Bracewell, L Cairns, Collingwood etc we’re all pretty handy batsmen.
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 You asked if anyone had had spinners of that calibre before. Batting is a bonus. Their core skill is bowling. Anyway in those days you only expected a handful of runs from your lower order - seven down, all out.
Well no, from a NZ perspective Paddles, Bracewell, L Cairns, Collingwood etc we’re all pretty handy batsmen.
Boult is probably our best regular 11 in my lifetime. Possibly not a lot competition given luminaries such as Martin, Chatfield, Morrison... That said, we've always batted deep, usually to at least 9, and Smith mentioned in his autobiography that in at least one of his tests, everyone except Chatfield had a test 100. Often not a lot of choice, our top orders tended to have at least one passenger somewhere.
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I'm blown away by 0 wickets that session.
