All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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We also need to stop pretending that the current version Super Rugby is producing decent international level tight forwards. Or that Brodie is still “BBBR”, he hasn’t been at quite that level since 2016, and has barely been sighted in Super Rugby since about the 2017 season.
@donsteppa said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
We also need to stop pretending that the current version Super Rugby is producing decent international level tight forwards. Or that Brodie is still “BBBR”, he hasn’t been at quite that level since 2016, and has barely been sighted in Super Rugby since about the 2017 season.
He is not that Brodie but he is still one of the best we have, no?
Having said that, I was watching Strange in the Ta$man Waikato highlights thinking, he looks like quite an athletic lock (in a good way)... -
The first 20 of the 2nd half showed that the players aren't as bad as what they have shown over the last two weeks. We are just being so badly coached.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
The first 20 of the 2nd half showed that the players aren't as bad as what they have shown over the last two weeks. We are just being so badly coached.
No amount of coaching can fix brain farts.
Contrast the ability of McCaw's men to wrest a victorious result from this squad. We have a squad that has Havili, Mo'unga and Bridge. We're carrying a loose forward spot for Ardie "highlights" Savea. Players out of form are ushered back into the All Blacks following a sojourn in Japan in TJP and BBBR.
Sam saying we need to learn how to play France in France? WTF
Foster's coaching group is too conservative and too loyal.
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@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
As with the first test against SA, its the 3rd quarter when we use our big carriers up the middle that we look good.
That 20mins was the main positive
It showed the tactics we need to use next year. We have forwards that can get a roll on around the fringes. It's about using them correctly
Taukei’aho, Akira, Savea etc were excellent during that period. They got us back into the game.We need power in the front row too.
Our biggest issue is that we don't have strong 10s right now and need to reevaluate our kicking game entirely.
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Bloody great test, French deserved to win, they had our pack struggling, and DuPont was immense !
Shrewd move though fellas, when was last time we lost 3 tests in a year and 2 in a row?
2009 and we won WC 2 years later , have we set it up??:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: -
Another season ends while thinking "flush that one, hope next year is better".
Three loses in a row against big forward packs (SA, Ireland, France).
Samisoni Taukei'aho is by far the best hooker in the country and needs to be on for 50 minutes, not 30.
Use him and Akira Ioane up the middle, creating quick ball for Savea to rush the fringe with. That's not all the game, but it's a damn good basis for our attack. Would be good to see Scott Barrett supporting that play, he's probably best suited to it. Maybe time to develop a Thorn-like power lock?
Looks like Beauden Barrett is locked in at 10. Keep Rieko at 13, and develop a 12 to partner him.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
The first 20 of the 2nd half showed that the players aren't as bad as what they have shown over the last two weeks. We are just being so badly coached.
No amount of coaching can fix brain farts.
Contrast the ability of McCaw's men to wrest a victorious result from this squad. We have a squad that has Havili, Mo'unga and Bridge. We're carrying a loose forward spot for Ardie "highlights" Savea. Players out of form are ushered back into the All Blacks following a sojourn in Japan in TJP and BBBR.
Sam saying we need to learn how to play France in France? WTF
Foster's coaching group is too conservative and too loyal.
it may surprise all on here but I am not a fan of our coaching tactics. But I don't think we should get personally nasty.
I still think our players are better than the way they played this season or the results, but we don't have the players of yore and the competition has got better. We just have to live with it and probably another poor 2 years. -
@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
As with the first test against SA, its the 3rd quarter when we use our big carriers up the middle that we look good.
That 20mins was the main positive
It showed the tactics we need to use next year. We have forwards that can get a roll on around the fringes. It's about using them correctly
Taukei’aho, Akira, Savea etc were excellent during that period. They got us back into the game.We need power in the front row too.
Our biggest issue is that we don't have strong 10s right now and need to reevaluate our kicking game entirely.
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
As with the first test against SA, its the 3rd quarter when we use our big carriers up the middle that we look good.
That 20mins was the main positive
It showed the tactics we need to use next year. We have forwards that can get a roll on around the fringes. It's about using them correctly
Taukei’aho, Akira, Savea etc were excellent during that period. They got us back into the game.We need power in the front row too.
Our biggest issue is that we don't have strong 10s right now and need to reevaluate our kicking game entirely.
Need to re-evaluate a whole lot.
I don't agree we don't have strong 10's - we have confused 10's.
BB was player of the year two years running. Doesn't make him bad.
RM has shown hes great behind a dominant pack, but struggles hard when we're not doing things right.Fuck the NZRU appointing Foster until RWC after just the Aussie games.
Ardie Savea leading the team chat post-game in the huddle.
The only good news is the South Africans turned it around in 12 months, the bad news is I don't think Foster can do it...
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Bloody great test, French deserved to win, they had our pack struggling, and DuPont was immense !
Shrewd move though fellas, when was last time we lost 3 tests in a year and 2 in a row?
2009 and we won WC 2 years later , have we set it up??:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:@dan54 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Bloody great test, French deserved to win, they had our pack struggling, and DuPont was immense !
Shrewd move though fellas, when was last time we lost 3 tests in a year and 2 in a row?
2009 and we won WC 2 years later , have we set it up??:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:DuPont was damn good wasn't he.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@damo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Do we need to start picking players from Europe?
If the best players are playing there, we might need to recognize it.
Definitely not. That would kill our game both domestically and for the All Blacks as well.
Besides our best players are by and large still in NZ.
I agree with that, but the competition isn’t preparing them for test rugby.
One bad year when we lose 3 games and all of sudden the structures we have that have been so successful for so long are defective.?
I think we need to keep things in perspective. We cannot win every game every time.
@damo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
One bad year when we lose 3 games and all of sudden the structures we have that have been so successful for so long are defective.?
Therein may lie the problem - the structures may no longer be free of considerable defects.
There seems a real lack of players who can keep their cool under pressure at Test level. Mo'unga and Havili may look like a million dollars at SR level but really, really struggle under pressure at Test level - as we have seen tonite and in other matches. Ball handling skills in the tight 5 seem to have dropped away as well.
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Reminder that there are people who want Foster to stay as head coach.
Who? Where? I haven't seen any
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it may surprise all on here but I am not a fan of our coaching tactics. But I don't think we should get personally nasty.
I still think our players are better than the way they played this season or the results, but we don't have the players of yore and the competition has got better. We just have to live with it and probably another poor 2 years.@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
it may surprise all on here but I am not a fan of our coaching tactics. But I don't think we should get personally nasty.
I still think our players are better than the way they played this season or the results, but we don't have the players of yore and the competition has got better. We just have to live with it and probably another poor 2 years.It was all doom and gloom in 2009 also. We sorted it out pretty quickly. We can do the same next year.
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Slightly off subject from the deserved allblack bashing ,
How healthy is nh rugby looking right now ? And it’s a collective thing , not just one side .
Bloody concerning how we are looking second rate in comparison
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Reminder that there are people who want Foster to stay as head coach.
Who? Where? I haven't seen any
@delicatessen
There are some apologists in this thread right now.Plus the morons who make the decisions keeping him in a job.
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Havilli was terrible but it's not even his fault, he's pretty much playing to the best of his ability. How many times must he prove to the selectors that he's not up to it against the very top opposition. I really have no issues with average players performing averagely, that's on the selectors for not dropping them, not the players themselves.
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Well done France. Black mark on our coaches in persisting so long with Richie Mounga when he was having such an off day and Jordie having the same. We seem to have lost our vision in the backs. Jordan was not given any ball. Tupaea and Ioane carried strongly but we did not create the space and flow.
I thought our forwards played well individually. Both hookers were immense and our locks tackled strongly and Brodie ran hard. Cane was immense around the contact area.
But we really need to show more attacking vision in my view. Something not right in the communications out back and that is our big work on in my view. And please put Rieko on the wing. He is a finisher and not a creator or defensive organiser.
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Please don't put those photos in this thread.
I see pictures like this and it is so tempting to make Dr Who Sontaran comments. And I don't want to sound nasty... -
Bloody great test, French deserved to win, they had our pack struggling, and DuPont was immense !
Shrewd move though fellas, when was last time we lost 3 tests in a year and 2 in a row?
2009 and we won WC 2 years later , have we set it up??:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:@dan54 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Bloody great test, French deserved to win, they had our pack struggling, and DuPont was immense !
Shrewd move though fellas, when was last time we lost 3 tests in a year and 2 in a row?
2009 and we won WC 2 years later , have we set it up??:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:I went back and checked that 2009 team. This quote struck me as funny:
- while there is no specialist No 8 from any of the Super 14 sides named in the squad, the selectors are confident that Liam Messam has the skill set and experience to play in this position. They also feel that Kieran Read is another to have the skill set to play at No 8.
