All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
it may surprise all on here but I am not a fan of our coaching tactics. But I don't think we should get personally nasty.
I still think our players are better than the way they played this season or the results, but we don't have the players of yore and the competition has got better. We just have to live with it and probably another poor 2 years.It was all doom and gloom in 2009 also. We sorted it out pretty quickly. We can do the same next year.
@damo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
it may surprise all on here but I am not a fan of our coaching tactics. But I don't think we should get personally nasty.
I still think our players are better than the way they played this season or the results, but we don't have the players of yore and the competition has got better. We just have to live with it and probably another poor 2 years.It was all doom and gloom in 2009 also. We sorted it out pretty quickly. We can do the same next year.
We don't have McCaw, Carter, Nonu, Snakey, Ted, Smith (I can go on)
It's not that I disagree with your point, but I wonder whether we have structural issues that might make this the new normal.
it could be a symptom of Covid as well.
I'm not sure how to separate out the different influences, but I think we should recognize that there is a cattle quality aspect to it, which wasn't necessarily the problem in 2009.
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Please don't put those photos in this thread.
I see pictures like this and it is so tempting to make Dr Who Sontaran comments. And I don't want to sound nasty... -
Barnes comes across very unlikable to me but he refereed the game very well and consistent.
Turning point was the great run from own tryline by the French, ABs had their tails up from the beginning of the 2nd half up until then. I'm sure they would have won, had they scored there. Well done to the Frogs, though. -
@delicatessen
There are some apologists in this thread right now.Plus the morons who make the decisions keeping him in a job.
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@damo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
One bad year when we lose 3 games and all of sudden the structures we have that have been so successful for so long are defective.?
Therein may lie the problem - the structures may no longer be free of considerable defects.
There seems a real lack of players who can keep their cool under pressure at Test level. Mo'unga and Havili may look like a million dollars at SR level but really, really struggle under pressure at Test level - as we have seen tonite and in other matches. Ball handling skills in the tight 5 seem to have dropped away as well.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@damo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
One bad year when we lose 3 games and all of sudden the structures we have that have been so successful for so long are defective.?
Therein may lie the problem - the structures may no longer be free of considerable defects.
There seems a real lack of players who can keep their cool under pressure at Test level. Mo'unga and Havili may look like a million dollars at SR level but really, really struggle under pressure at Test level - as we have seen tonite and in other matches. Ball handling skills in the tight 5 seem to have dropped away as well.
But one year of mediocre results is not enough evidence to support the hypothesis. We are at the end of a long year, been away on a tour since god knows how long (since the 3rd Bledisloe in Perth) . In that tour we lost 3 times, and won 7.
No team in any sport can win every game every year every time.
The Green Bay Packers have the highest winning percentage in all games since 1921. Their win rate is 0.573.
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Feel a lot better after second half. ABs much the better side in the period.
I’d say Barnes was worth ten points to French.
Post mortem due on first half where we were flat and error prone.
Off the cuff, I’d say we erred by not hammering up the guts before trying to spread it wide.
It’s almost as though the players took matters into their own hands after halftime.
Not sure about back substitutions. Thought Tuapea/Ioane looked good.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@damo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
One bad year when we lose 3 games and all of sudden the structures we have that have been so successful for so long are defective.?
Therein may lie the problem - the structures may no longer be free of considerable defects.
There seems a real lack of players who can keep their cool under pressure at Test level. Mo'unga and Havili may look like a million dollars at SR level but really, really struggle under pressure at Test level - as we have seen tonite and in other matches. Ball handling skills in the tight 5 seem to have dropped away as well.
But one year of mediocre results is not enough evidence to support the hypothesis. We are at the end of a long year, been away on a tour since god knows how long (since the 3rd Bledisloe in Perth) . In that tour we lost 3 times, and won 7.
No team in any sport can win every game every year every time.
The Green Bay Packers have the highest winning percentage in all games since 1921. Their win rate is 0.573.
@damo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@damo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
One bad year when we lose 3 games and all of sudden the structures we have that have been so successful for so long are defective.?
Therein may lie the problem - the structures may no longer be free of considerable defects.
There seems a real lack of players who can keep their cool under pressure at Test level. Mo'unga and Havili may look like a million dollars at SR level but really, really struggle under pressure at Test level - as we have seen tonite and in other matches. Ball handling skills in the tight 5 seem to have dropped away as well.
But one year of mediocre results is not enough evidence to support the hypothesis. We are at the end of a long year, been away on a tour since god knows how long (since the 3rd Bledisloe in Perth) . In that tour we lost 3 times, and won 7.
No team in any sport can win every game every year every time.
The Green Bay Packers have the highest winning percentage in all games since 1921. Their win rate is 0.573.
What about last year?
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Some good analysis from Goldie. He does not look happy.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Some good analysis from Goldie. He does not look happy.
Summary?
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@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Yeah how can Foster survive the summer? That was a joke.
When was the last time an AB coach was fired?
Poor selections, poor game plans and no improvements after poor games.
Why keep him?
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@damo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
One bad year when we lose 3 games and all of sudden the structures we have that have been so successful for so long are defective.?
Therein may lie the problem - the structures may no longer be free of considerable defects.
There seems a real lack of players who can keep their cool under pressure at Test level. Mo'unga and Havili may look like a million dollars at SR level but really, really struggle under pressure at Test level - as we have seen tonite and in other matches. Ball handling skills in the tight 5 seem to have dropped away as well.
But one year of mediocre results is not enough evidence to support the hypothesis. We are at the end of a long year, been away on a tour since god knows how long (since the 3rd Bledisloe in Perth) . In that tour we lost 3 times, and won 7.
No team in any sport can win every game every year every time.
The Green Bay Packers have the highest winning percentage in all games since 1921. Their win rate is 0.573.
@damo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@damo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
One bad year when we lose 3 games and all of sudden the structures we have that have been so successful for so long are defective.?
Therein may lie the problem - the structures may no longer be free of considerable defects.
There seems a real lack of players who can keep their cool under pressure at Test level. Mo'unga and Havili may look like a million dollars at SR level but really, really struggle under pressure at Test level - as we have seen tonite and in other matches. Ball handling skills in the tight 5 seem to have dropped away as well.
But one year of mediocre results is not enough evidence to support the hypothesis. We are at the end of a long year, been away on a tour since god knows how long (since the 3rd Bledisloe in Perth) . In that tour we lost 3 times, and won 7.
No team in any sport can win every game every year every time.
The Green Bay Packers have the highest winning percentage in all games since 1921. Their win rate is 0.573.
It's probably 5 years if you take a broader view, as the game plan hasn't really changed, nor the selection policy. What is our record in the last five years versus the previous 15?
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@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Yeah how can Foster survive the summer? That was a joke.
When was the last time an AB coach was fired?
Poor selections, poor game plans and no improvements after poor games.
Why keep him?
@kirwan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Yeah how can Foster survive the summer? That was a joke.
When was the last time an AB coach was fired?
Poor selections, poor game plans and no improvements after poor games.
Why keep him?
I can't even remember the last time a Super coach was fired, if ever? Maybe Jed at the Blues?
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@damo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
One bad year when we lose 3 games and all of sudden the structures we have that have been so successful for so long are defective.?
Therein may lie the problem - the structures may no longer be free of considerable defects.
There seems a real lack of players who can keep their cool under pressure at Test level. Mo'unga and Havili may look like a million dollars at SR level but really, really struggle under pressure at Test level - as we have seen tonite and in other matches. Ball handling skills in the tight 5 seem to have dropped away as well.
But one year of mediocre results is not enough evidence to support the hypothesis. We are at the end of a long year, been away on a tour since god knows how long (since the 3rd Bledisloe in Perth) . In that tour we lost 3 times, and won 7.
No team in any sport can win every game every year every time.
The Green Bay Packers have the highest winning percentage in all games since 1921. Their win rate is 0.573.
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@nostrildamus I am trying to figure how I was associated with Foster? Definitely not on my Christmas list.
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus I am trying to figure how I was associated with Foster? Definitely not on my Christmas list.
did I quote the wrong poster? sorry.
Edit I was replying to @mofitzy_ who in that post had your name not sure why. -
@mofitzy_ apologists? He's not bloody Hitler.
Nah there's some people calling out other issues with NZ rugby, no-one is saying he's coaching well though that I've seen
@delicatessen
No, but he never deserved the job based on his CV. No one likes seeing the bosses grandson get promoted over competent employees. Especially not when he is a dullard.Remind me how the Habsburg Empire went? Did incest work for them?
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@kirwan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Yeah how can Foster survive the summer? That was a joke.
When was the last time an AB coach was fired?
Poor selections, poor game plans and no improvements after poor games.
Why keep him?
I can't even remember the last time a Super coach was fired, if ever? Maybe Jed at the Blues?
@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@kirwan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Yeah how can Foster survive the summer? That was a joke.
When was the last time an AB coach was fired?
Poor selections, poor game plans and no improvements after poor games.
Why keep him?
I can't even remember the last time a Super coach was fired, if ever? Maybe Jed at the Blues?
Tana.
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So what is the deal with the forwards deciding to take it up the guts every now and then, and we suddenly look dominant? Is that them saying to hell with Fosters game plan and just doing what they want? I just don't understand why we wouldn't do it from the get go, we'd wear teams down and then run rampant in the 2nd 40 if we did. But instead we try to play Helter skelter bullshit from the start of the test which opposition defenses just eat up.
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
So what is the deal with the forwards deciding to take it up the guts every now and then, and we suddenly look dominant? Is that them saying to hell with Fosters game plan and just doing what they want? I just don't understand why we wouldn't do it from the get go, we'd wear teams down and then run rampant in the 2nd 40 if we did. But instead we try to play Helter skelter bullshit from the start of the test which opposition defenses just eat up.
Couldn’t agree more.
