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All Blacks 2022

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  • nzzpN nzzp

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

    @rotated said in All Blacks 2022:

    @nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:

    Somehow, though, the draw hasn't favoured the ABs yet. Hopefully 2023 eh 🙂

    Limiting it to the professional era I would say 1999 and 2011 were overly generous draws for us.

    In 1999 the two other contenders in a three team tournament drew each other in the semi final and we had the easiest quarter final.

    In 2011 we played three runners up from the pool round in the knockout stage which is would probably dwelled on more as good luck if the run of injuries at 10 had not happened.

    2011 is definitely our "SA 2007" draw. The Argies were ordinary, the Aussies not much better, and we got France who tripped their way to the final after we had already flogged them

    Injuries and the weight of history almost conspired to beat us.

    It was easier for us - but I don't think at SA07 level. Argentina 2011 was >> Argentina 2007. But yep, 2011 favoured us, and at home too.

    Australia were dangerous though, remember they had beaten us in Brisbane that year, and had Quade and Pocock. They really were a threat - but we were completely up for it. Arguably that cost us the intensity in the final.

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    @nzzp The Argentinean team in 2007 topped their pool, beating France and Ireland to do so. That had a major implication for the ABs for their QF opponent.

    Sure they lost to SA in the SF but thrashed France again in the 3rd/4th game.

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    • BovidaeB Bovidae

      @nzzp The Argentinean team in 2007 topped their pool, beating France and Ireland to do so. That had a major implication for the ABs for their QF opponent.

      Sure they lost to SA in the SF but thrashed France again in the 3rd/4th game.

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      @bovidae fair.

      That france team they played in the opener was dire, though. Not a patch on the bunch that showed up against us.

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        I will say that SA had the easiest QF opponent (Fiji) in 2007, and that is an advantage before a SF and final to avoid 3 intense playoff games in a row.

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          https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/127297555/all-blacks-confirmed-for-london-test-against-england

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            https://twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1471193343178813440?t=idMhDO7fLCxbGid0h0Z2WQ&s=19

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              great to see all the underperforming duds from this year getting long term deals. awesome!

              because if they don't make the ABs that contract isn't worth the paper it's written on

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                @old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2022:

                @booboo He really did stuff them though. Poidevin could have played the whole game on his knees and hands and he wouldn't have been penalized.

                Would have been a hell of an achievement for a 53yo. Can understand why the ref would go easy.

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                @booboo Haha, got my eras a bit mixed up. Pocock!

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                  Well ABs play England at Twickers year fellas, just in case anyone wants to but me a ticket to a box this is price.

                  (per person, includes seat in East Stand Lower tier, within 22s )
                  The Gate £1,299.00 Available
                  The Lock – Pitch view £1,499.00 Available
                  The Lock – Main Restaurant £1,299.00 Available
                  The East Wing – Pitch view £1,749.00 Available
                  The East Wing – Main Restaurant £1,499.00 Available
                  British Airways Rose Garden £899.00 Available
                  South stand
                  Rugby House £1,199.00 Available
                  Players’ Lounge £1,299.00 Available

                  And then if you want to eat there:
                  Table of 2, £1,299.00 per person.

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                  • Dan54D Dan54

                    Well ABs play England at Twickers year fellas, just in case anyone wants to but me a ticket to a box this is price.

                    (per person, includes seat in East Stand Lower tier, within 22s )
                    The Gate £1,299.00 Available
                    The Lock – Pitch view £1,499.00 Available
                    The Lock – Main Restaurant £1,299.00 Available
                    The East Wing – Pitch view £1,749.00 Available
                    The East Wing – Main Restaurant £1,499.00 Available
                    British Airways Rose Garden £899.00 Available
                    South stand
                    Rugby House £1,199.00 Available
                    Players’ Lounge £1,299.00 Available

                    And then if you want to eat there:
                    Table of 2, £1,299.00 per person.

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                    @dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:

                    Well ABs play England at Twickers year fellas, just in case anyone wants to but me a ticket to a box this is price.

                    (per person, includes seat in East Stand Lower tier, within 22s )
                    The Gate £1,299.00 Available
                    The Lock – Pitch view £1,499.00 Available
                    The Lock – Main Restaurant £1,299.00 Available
                    The East Wing – Pitch view £1,749.00 Available
                    The East Wing – Main Restaurant £1,499.00 Available
                    British Airways Rose Garden £899.00 Available
                    South stand
                    Rugby House £1,199.00 Available
                    Players’ Lounge £1,299.00 Available

                    And then if you want to eat there:
                    Table of 2, £1,299.00 per person.

                    Premium Product = Premium Price
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                    Despite Foster

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                      Is there a ticket category for “No tossers wearing polo shirts with the collar turned up “ ?

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                      • CrucialC Crucial

                        Is there a ticket category for “No tossers wearing polo shirts with the collar turned up “ ?

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                        @crucial Would be great if John Mitchell was able offer some of his expertise on England for the All Blacks, I believe he and Eddie Jones had a falling out. Mitchell was a defence coach and his input could be valueable. I realise he maybe somewhat problematic, the end of year game against England, we'll need all the help we can get.

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                        • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                          great to see all the underperforming duds from this year getting long term deals. awesome!

                          because if they don't make the ABs that contract isn't worth the paper it's written on

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                          #108

                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                          great to see all the underperforming duds from this year getting long term deals. awesome!

                          Hard to look good though when your gameplan resembles (like you said) that of a bad NRL team.

                          Let's hope that's the case anyway.

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                            @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                            great to see all the underperforming duds from this year getting long term deals. awesome!

                            Hard to look good though when your gameplan resembles (like you said) that of a bad NRL team.

                            Let's hope that's the case anyway.

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                            @frye said in All Blacks 2022:

                            @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                            great to see all the underperforming duds from this year getting long term deals. awesome!

                            Hard to look good though when your gameplan resembles (like you said) that of a bad NRL team.

                            Let's hope that's the case anyway.

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                            But i am unwilling to cut players too much slack when i see basics either being ignored or done poorly.

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                            • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                              @frye said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                              great to see all the underperforming duds from this year getting long term deals. awesome!

                              Hard to look good though when your gameplan resembles (like you said) that of a bad NRL team.

                              Let's hope that's the case anyway.

                              alt text

                              But i am unwilling to cut players too much slack when i see basics either being ignored or done poorly.

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                              taniwharugby
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                              @mariner4life to a point, but if they arent 'all in' on the style (for whatever reasons) and confidence is low this affects those micro skills.

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                                #111

                                Or maybe these players just aren't that good......

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                                • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                  Or maybe these players just aren't that good......

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                                  @kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  Or maybe these players just aren't that good......

                                  column A and column B

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                                    @ploughboy said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @duluth said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @nevorian

                                    from the nzh article posted earlier:

                                    It is thought his role will likely see him help head coach Ian Foster analyse opposition sides and develop strategic plans to help the All Blacks build the tactical blueprints they will need to succeed against teams who stylistically present a different challenge to the ruck and run rugby preferred throughout Australasia.
                                    

                                    sounds like a attack coach

                                    So from that paragraph I can deduce that they (NZRFU) have realised that Foster needs help in what are probably his core responsibilities i.e analysing oppositions and developing plans and tactics

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                                    @nevorian

                                    He has overall responsibility for everything but his role is not solely focussed on that.

                                    As much as we lambast Fozzie, I think the mgmt team assembled are pretty weak from a strategic and tactical point of view.

                                    Of course, Fozzie will give the direction and have the final on overall gameplan but we are being exposed at the moment with our the areas provided by our back room staff.

                                    Schmidt is an ideal individual to improve these areas

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                                      @nevorian

                                      He has overall responsibility for everything but his role is not solely focussed on that.

                                      As much as we lambast Fozzie, I think the mgmt team assembled are pretty weak from a strategic and tactical point of view.

                                      Of course, Fozzie will give the direction and have the final on overall gameplan but we are being exposed at the moment with our the areas provided by our back room staff.

                                      Schmidt is an ideal individual to improve these areas

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                                      canefan
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                                      @dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      @nevorian

                                      He has overall responsibility for everything but his role is not solely focussed on that.

                                      As much as we lambast Fozzie, I think the mgmt team assembled are pretty weak from a strategic and tactical point of view.

                                      Of course, Fozzie will give the direction and have the final on overall gameplan but we are being exposed at the moment with our the areas provided by our back room staff.

                                      Schmidt is an ideal individual to improve these areas

                                      Of course Fozz picked and assembled his management team I assume....

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                                      • canefanC canefan

                                        @dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @nevorian

                                        He has overall responsibility for everything but his role is not solely focussed on that.

                                        As much as we lambast Fozzie, I think the mgmt team assembled are pretty weak from a strategic and tactical point of view.

                                        Of course, Fozzie will give the direction and have the final on overall gameplan but we are being exposed at the moment with our the areas provided by our back room staff.

                                        Schmidt is an ideal individual to improve these areas

                                        Of course Fozz picked and assembled his management team I assume....

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                                        ploughboy
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                                        @canefan
                                        this was the problem both backrooms were weak. plumtree maybe the difference

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                                        • nzzpN nzzp

                                          @chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          @mikedogz said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          Could Schmidt be this coaching teams Professor? I have a bit more hope now.

                                          I am just happy to have someone from outside our bubble, I really hope Schmidt tells it like it is and isn't drawn into the Foster Group Think Tank that clearly is very shit.

                                          he'll be able to tell them their weaknesses, how they beat them, and what they were worried about. Great appointment I think

                                          we'll miss Fox, but I htink he did his dash

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                                          @nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          he'll be able to tell them their weaknesses, how they beat them, and what they were worried about.

                                          He'll have been reading the Fern then...

                                          But seriously, it's how they use that knowledge that's the key.

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