All Blacks 2022
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@rotated it's time for new voices. Hopefully this is just the beginning
Seems just yesterday we had the story of the appointment of a competent assistant (Leon) to a head coach who some of the board loved, and some didn't (Tana).
Fingers crossed?
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@rotated it's time for new voices. Hopefully this is just the beginning
Seems just yesterday we had the story of the appointment of a competent assistant (Leon) to a head coach who some of the board loved, and some didn't (Tana).
Fingers crossed?
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@rotated it's time for new voices. Hopefully this is just the beginning
Seems just yesterday we had the story of the appointment of a competent assistant (Leon) to a head coach who some of the board loved, and some didn't (Tana).
Fingers crossed?
Who knows. But schmidt knows the Northern game and his input certainly can't hurt. Same could be said for Gatland even though he seems like a whinger
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@rotated it's time for new voices. Hopefully this is just the beginning
Seems just yesterday we had the story of the appointment of a competent assistant (Leon) to a head coach who some of the board loved, and some didn't (Tana).
Fingers crossed?
Who knows. But schmidt knows the Northern game and his input certainly can't hurt. Same could be said for Gatland even though he seems like a whinger
@canefan I think he will just provide a point of difference, he has tread a similar path to Henry & Hansen before him, the level of respective successes can be debated, but he will bring different ideas, different plans, which include how they approach playing (and beating) the ABs, something none of the current panel have experienced, or even Henry or Hansen previously....Mitch & Rennie likely only other candidates in this boat?
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Excellent news that Schmidt will be in the mix. He has to be a vast improvement on some of the thinking and coaching that has surrounded the All Blacks for the past five years.
While I'd also prefer Foster and the assistants to have been given their marching orders, this is at least a step up on 2020 and 2021...
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Excellent news that Schmidt will be in the mix. He has to be a vast improvement on some of the thinking and coaching that has surrounded the All Blacks for the past five years.
While I'd also prefer Foster and the assistants to have been given their marching orders, this is at least a step up on 2020 and 2021...
@donsteppa said in All Blacks 2022:
Excellent news that Schmidt will be in the mix. He has to be a vast improvement on some of the thinking and coaching that has surrounded the All Blacks for the past five years.
While I'd also prefer Foster and the assistants to have been given their marching orders, this is at least a step up on 2020 and 2021...
i am absolutely astounded that the only person to lose their job was a non-coaching selector
We are no longer the team focused solely on excellence.
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@donsteppa said in All Blacks 2022:
Excellent news that Schmidt will be in the mix. He has to be a vast improvement on some of the thinking and coaching that has surrounded the All Blacks for the past five years.
While I'd also prefer Foster and the assistants to have been given their marching orders, this is at least a step up on 2020 and 2021...
i am absolutely astounded that the only person to lose their job was a non-coaching selector
We are no longer the team focused solely on excellence.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
i am absolutely astounded that the only person to lose their job was a non-coaching selector
So far
The link I posted said the assistant coaches are under threat but we won't know until Jan
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
i am absolutely astounded that the only person to lose their job was a non-coaching selector
So far
The link I posted said the assistant coaches are under threat but we won't know until Jan
@duluth guess NZR dont want to be seen as knee jerking and ditching people, want to be taking a more methodical approach to make sure they get it right...this time
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Could this be a move by NZR to have Schmidt take over post WC? Schmidt and the Messiah might be an interesting combo.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:
Could this be a move by NZR to have Schmidt take over post WC? Schmidt and the Messiah might be an interesting combo.
i was wonder if it was a way to have other options in a string position to step in, anyone coming in from the outside is going to have a hard time the closer we get to the RWC....but a selector stepping in to help with the team he helped select?
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:
Could this be a move by NZR to have Schmidt take over post WC? Schmidt and the Messiah might be an interesting combo.
i was wonder if it was a way to have other options in a string position to step in, anyone coming in from the outside is going to have a hard time the closer we get to the RWC....but a selector stepping in to help with the team he helped select?
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:
Could this be a move by NZR to have Schmidt take over post WC? Schmidt and the Messiah might be an interesting combo.
i was wonder if it was a way to have other options in a string position to step in, anyone coming in from the outside is going to have a hard time the closer we get to the RWC....but a selector stepping in to help with the team he helped select?
this whole "the world cup takes 4 years to win" thing is absolute bullshit.
I am firmly of the belief that you could make significant changes in the year of and win the thing. It might suit you better because then the Eddie Jones' of the world do not have 4 years to plan for your plan.
The only one i can think of that appears to be a planned out campaign was England
You can be shit during the World Cup year and make the final, there is ample evidence of that
My gut feel is we still allow ourselves to believe it in NZ because it was tied to our "are we ever going to win this fucking thing?" malaise, and it is a nice way for AB coaches to manage expectations.
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:
Could this be a move by NZR to have Schmidt take over post WC? Schmidt and the Messiah might be an interesting combo.
i was wonder if it was a way to have other options in a string position to step in, anyone coming in from the outside is going to have a hard time the closer we get to the RWC....but a selector stepping in to help with the team he helped select?
this whole "the world cup takes 4 years to win" thing is absolute bullshit.
I am firmly of the belief that you could make significant changes in the year of and win the thing. It might suit you better because then the Eddie Jones' of the world do not have 4 years to plan for your plan.
The only one i can think of that appears to be a planned out campaign was England
You can be shit during the World Cup year and make the final, there is ample evidence of that
My gut feel is we still allow ourselves to believe it in NZ because it was tied to our "are we ever going to win this fucking thing?" malaise, and it is a nice way for AB coaches to manage expectations.
@mariner4life you can do...yes, of course, as you say there is precedence, but it strikes me as harder than a more planned approach where you can try different things, change whats gone wrong
If you get the job the year of and dont have the depth in a particular position you don't have the time to grow that depth and so if you have to come up with a different game plan to compensate for it you might not have time to completely entrench this new game plan
and in fairness, i didn't say anything about 4 years, we're only 2 years now and fozzie is unlikely to go before the RC next year so we're already close to anyone new only having just over a year to do whatever they want
so yes, you can, no need to give up....but i think its harder
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Fuck me drunk.
In the third quarter of the French test, the All Blacks ran a set-piece play that involved Sam Cane peeling off the lineout maul and looking for options inside and out. He opted to carry and set up the first ruck. The supporting All Blacks pack then proceeded to pick-and-go relentlessly at the fringes of the ruck phase-after-phase. They finally found the gain line. They finally found continuity and control. They finally went forward, would you believe it. They worked down to the French goal line before Aaron Smith played two passes, the second of which found Jordie Barrett, who tucked his way over for a try in the left corner. The hints and clues from Sam Cane and Ian Foster in the media following their forensic review suggest that this style of rugby is going to be adopted by the All Blacks going forward. “We are still up there with the best in the world when we get front-foot ball," Cane said of the All Blacks play in Europe. "It only needs to be two or three quick phases and we have got guys who can exploit that." “We almost surprised ourselves how well we went with our pick-and-goes, considering it is not traditionally how we play."This post is deleted! -
@mariner4life you can do...yes, of course, as you say there is precedence, but it strikes me as harder than a more planned approach where you can try different things, change whats gone wrong
If you get the job the year of and dont have the depth in a particular position you don't have the time to grow that depth and so if you have to come up with a different game plan to compensate for it you might not have time to completely entrench this new game plan
and in fairness, i didn't say anything about 4 years, we're only 2 years now and fozzie is unlikely to go before the RC next year so we're already close to anyone new only having just over a year to do whatever they want
so yes, you can, no need to give up....but i think its harder
@kiwiwomble i'll reply with a question
If the World Cup was next year, do you think a change in coach right now would give the ABs more or less chance to win it?
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:
Could this be a move by NZR to have Schmidt take over post WC? Schmidt and the Messiah might be an interesting combo.
i was wonder if it was a way to have other options in a string position to step in, anyone coming in from the outside is going to have a hard time the closer we get to the RWC....but a selector stepping in to help with the team he helped select?
this whole "the world cup takes 4 years to win" thing is absolute bullshit.
I am firmly of the belief that you could make significant changes in the year of and win the thing. It might suit you better because then the Eddie Jones' of the world do not have 4 years to plan for your plan.
The only one i can think of that appears to be a planned out campaign was England
You can be shit during the World Cup year and make the final, there is ample evidence of that
My gut feel is we still allow ourselves to believe it in NZ because it was tied to our "are we ever going to win this fucking thing?" malaise, and it is a nice way for AB coaches to manage expectations.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:
Could this be a move by NZR to have Schmidt take over post WC? Schmidt and the Messiah might be an interesting combo.
i was wonder if it was a way to have other options in a string position to step in, anyone coming in from the outside is going to have a hard time the closer we get to the RWC....but a selector stepping in to help with the team he helped select?
this whole "the world cup takes 4 years to win" thing is absolute bullshit.
I am firmly of the belief that you could make significant changes in the year of and win the thing. It might suit you better because then the Eddie Jones' of the world do not have 4 years to plan for your plan.
The only one i can think of that appears to be a planned out campaign was England
You can be shit during the World Cup year and make the final, there is ample evidence of that
My gut feel is we still allow ourselves to believe it in NZ because it was tied to our "are we ever going to win this fucking thing?" malaise, and it is a nice way for AB coaches to manage expectations.
South Africa last world cup are case and point.
They sucked 12 months before the start of the world cup year and then bosh! Another World Cup.
(I think)
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@kiwiwomble i'll reply with a question
If the World Cup was next year, do you think a change in coach right now would give the ABs more or less chance to win it?
@mariner4life depending on the coach potentially better...but i think we would have and even better chance if the change had been made before now or at very least some groundworks had been laid for the change...hence my point
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@mariner4life depending on the coach potentially better...but i think we would have and even better chance if the change had been made before now or at very least some groundworks had been laid for the change...hence my point
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life depending on the coach potentially better...but i think we would have and even better chance if the change had been made before now or at very least some groundworks had been laid for the change...hence my point
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life depending on the coach potentially better...but i think we would have and even better chance if the change had been made before now or at very least some groundworks had been laid for the change...hence my point
@mariner4life i honestly dont know what your trying to get at, I don't disagree with your point it doesn't always "4 years" to win a world cup and have been pretty clear before i would have swapped out fozzie for razor before now
I really just tried to see another possibility with the announcement of Schmidt, might he be the compromise seeing as NZR seem afraid to make the big call on razor after saying the wanted someone with international experience
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Good to see Schmidt getting into the AB environment, noted his role is Independent Selector and so not sure what that job description is. Assuming it may be identifying talent on the fringes or young and upcoming future stars but probably no input into coaching.
Anyone shed more light on how much input he will have into game plans and steam selections?
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Good to see Schmidt getting into the AB environment, noted his role is Independent Selector and so not sure what that job description is. Assuming it may be identifying talent on the fringes or young and upcoming future stars but probably no input into coaching.
Anyone shed more light on how much input he will have into game plans and steam selections?
from the nzh article posted earlier:
It is thought his role will likely see him help head coach Ian Foster analyse opposition sides and develop strategic plans to help the All Blacks build the tactical blueprints they will need to succeed against teams who stylistically present a different challenge to the ruck and run rugby preferred throughout Australasia.Still vague, but not just a selector
