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All Blacks 2022

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  • TimT Away
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    Tim
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    Biggest doubts for me:

    Tight five outside of Samisoni Taukei'aho.

    Accommodating Savea in the loose forwards against big teams.

    2nd Five and backup centre.

    Ability of 10s to control a game.

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    • TimT Tim

      Biggest doubts for me:

      Tight five outside of Samisoni Taukei'aho.

      Accommodating Savea in the loose forwards against big teams.

      2nd Five and backup centre.

      Ability of 10s to control a game.

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      @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

      Biggest doubts for me:

      Tight five outside of Samisoni Taukei'aho.

      Accommodating Savea in the loose forwards against big teams.

      2nd Five and backup centre.

      Ability of 10s to control a game.

      Sooooo 2021 issues then?

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      • gt12G gt12

        @bobily2 said in All Blacks 2022:

        For those who don't want to watch the video, Foster mentioned they are interested in Papali'i and Vaai at 6.

        Also, they want de Groot to work on his fitness and speed getting off the ground after contact.

        Did he talk about Hodgman? I just can't get past them choosing Karl over Hodgman. That makes little sense to me.

        The PGS selection is not what I would do, but I can see that as a 6 he would be similar to Akira on the edges and around the ruck.

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        taniwharugby
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        @gt12 is mentioned in the article, well why they picked KT, all down to experience

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        • TimT Tim

          Was Sowakula selected to stop him playing for Fiji?

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          @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

          Was Sowakula selected to stop him playing for Fiji?

          I dont know but his selection could be a big clue to some loose forward re-thinking. Not so much that he will start but around versatility of others. Without Blackadder I thought Jacobson would be a cert as a like for like covering all spots.
          They could now be looking at DP on the bench with Akira shifting to 8. Vai'i as lock/6 or even using Savea as impact rather than starting.

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          • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

            @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

            Biggest doubts for me:

            Tight five outside of Samisoni Taukei'aho.

            Accommodating Savea in the loose forwards against big teams.

            2nd Five and backup centre.

            Ability of 10s to control a game.

            Sooooo 2021 issues then?

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            @mariner4life

            Yes!

            A few players who really struggle without quick ball, and few forwards, or power carrying backs, who can generate it.

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            • B bobily2

              For those who don't want to watch the video, Foster mentioned they are interested in Papali'i and Vaai at 6.

              Also, they want de Groot to work on his fitness and speed getting off the ground after contact.

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              @bobily2 said in All Blacks 2022:

              Also, they want de Groot to work on his fitness and speed getting off the ground after contact.

              He’s been asked to model his game on Karl T, is that it?

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              • TimT Tim

                @mariner4life

                Yes!

                A few players who really struggle without quick ball, and few forwards, or power carrying backs, who can generate it.

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                taniwharugby
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                #2600

                @Tim well a backline of Smith-BB-Clarke-RTS-RI-Jordan-JB has its appeal...reckon that is at least a back division that could operate with less forward domination

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                • gt12G gt12

                  @bobily2 said in All Blacks 2022:

                  For those who don't want to watch the video, Foster mentioned they are interested in Papali'i and Vaai at 6.

                  Also, they want de Groot to work on his fitness and speed getting off the ground after contact.

                  Did he talk about Hodgman? I just can't get past them choosing Karl over Hodgman. That makes little sense to me.

                  The PGS selection is not what I would do, but I can see that as a 6 he would be similar to Akira on the edges and around the ruck.

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                  @gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:

                  @bobily2 said in All Blacks 2022:

                  For those who don't want to watch the video, Foster mentioned they are interested in Papali'i and Vaai at 6.

                  Also, they want de Groot to work on his fitness and speed getting off the ground after contact.

                  Did he talk about Hodgman? I just can't get past them choosing Karl over Hodgman. That makes little sense to me.

                  The PGS selection is not what I would do, but I can see that as a 6 he would be similar to Akira on the edges and around the ruck.

                  No - in general he was quite reluctant to talk about why players missed out, but he was specifically asked about de Groot. He said they've been impressed by Bower, Karl is the best scrummager and they need his experience given Bower and Ross are light in that area, and that Ross has kicked it up a notch and shown a lot of consistency in the scrum.

                  They like PGS because of his contact work, and they think they can improve that further by helping him work on his footwork (and something else - I can't remember) as well.

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                  • TimT Tim

                    @mariner4life

                    Yes!

                    A few players who really struggle without quick ball, and few forwards, or power carrying backs, who can generate it.

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                    @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @mariner4life

                    Yes!

                    A few players who really struggle without quick ball, and few forwards, or power carrying backs, who can generate it.

                    I guess, it's all about roles and a plan.
                    We have the talent, it's how we use it.

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                    • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                      @Tim well a backline of Smith-BB-Clarke-RTS-RI-Jordan-JB has its appeal...reckon that is at least a back division that could operate with less forward domination

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                      @taniwharugby If they pick it. Can see them starting without a power wing, so hopefully Tupaea can carry against Ireland like he does for the Chiefs.

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                      • TimT Tim

                        @mariner4life

                        Yes!

                        A few players who really struggle without quick ball, and few forwards, or power carrying backs, who can generate it.

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                        @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                        A few players who really struggle without quick ball, and few forwards, or power carrying backs, who can generate it.

                        At least this year there's an extra ball carrying loose forward, halfbacks who deliver quick ball and more power in the backs.

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                        • TimT Tim

                          @taniwharugby If they pick it. Can see them starting without a power wing, so hopefully Tupaea can carry against Ireland like he does for the Chiefs.

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                          @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @taniwharugby If they pick it. Can see them starting without a power wing, so hopefully Tupaea can carry against Ireland like he does for the Chiefs.

                          I think CC is bolted in to start if fit, and LF has been picked to play the same roll if not.

                          WJ and SI fighting for the 14, and Jodie (if fit) starting at 15.

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                            Karl T is a real interesting selection.

                            Maybe an indicator of how under pressure the selectors are feeling. Which they should be — good — but still a selection that looks shortsighted when we have a world cup only a year away. You'd think they should really be investing in De Groot or Hodgman as much as possible. It suggests they are putting a lot of faith in Moody making a full recovery which looks a pretty foolish move when he's been as wracked with injury as he has been. He'll be 35 by kickoff next year. Doesn't matter how willing the mind is if his body is failing him.

                            Hopefully Ross gets a shot and we get to see what he's made of. And surely Karl doesn't make the rugby championship squad, that would be a joke.

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                            • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                              @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                              A few players who really struggle without quick ball, and few forwards, or power carrying backs, who can generate it.

                              At least this year there's an extra ball carrying loose forward, halfbacks who deliver quick ball and more power in the backs.

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                              @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @Tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                              A few players who really struggle without quick ball, and few forwards, or power carrying backs, who can generate it.

                              At least this year there's an extra ball carrying loose forward, halfbacks who deliver quick ball and more power in the backs.

                              That really depends on who they select.

                              If we see Taukeiaho starting and two of Akira, Sotutu, and PGS from the forwards getting starts, with at least two of Clarke, Reece, and Fainga'anuku in the backs we'll be dealing with those issues. Much more dangerous. If not, we'll be pretty much the same as last year.

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                              • TimT Away
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                                Foster talked up Bower a lot, so I expect him and Karl T for this series.

                                After several seasons of the same shit, I don’t think they have a clue about forward play.

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                                  Foster saying they see Dalton and Vaai as 6 cover which allows them to select Pita Gus as an 8/6.

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                                    Cane maybe captain, but is recovering from injury … again.

                                    Does anyone think he will play better than Papalii would in this series?

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                                      @Stag said in All Blacks 2022:

                                      The weakest front row and loose forward selections I have seen in an All Blacks squad for a long time.

                                      Have you watched any Blues games this season? Paps, Sotutu and Ioane have almost the perfect mix and synergy and I would be over the moon to have them in the AB's.

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                                      @chimoaus if the Blues dominate both areas in the final I’ll agree with you, if they don’t you are wrong.

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                                      • TimT Tim

                                        Cane maybe captain, but is recovering from injury … again.

                                        Does anyone think he will play better than Papalii would in this series?

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                                        @Tim nope.

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                                        • StagS Stag

                                          @chimoaus if the Blues dominate both areas in the final I’ll agree with you, if they don’t you are wrong.

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                                          @Stag said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          @chimoaus if the Blues dominate both areas in the final I’ll agree with you, if they don’t you are wrong.

                                          Are there loose forwards you would select that weren't selected or you just feel it's a low talent area at the moment?

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