All Blacks 2022
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@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke
And what you'd think of midweek matches against teams like the English Saxons, Ireland A or the French Barbarians ?I don't think midweek games are even worth thinking about against anyone, and teams like Ireland A, Saxons etc even worse, I remember when ABs would play French selections , not ideal.
Dan, the limited value we would get out of them probably means they are not worth doing.
I see value in dirtrackers playing NH sides but the difficulty in agreeing terms with a club, strength of opposition, ABs taking an enlarged squad for these games means it would be hard to justify.
I think at the moment, we have a lot of players who are inexperienced in playing international rugby up north so it may be worth a short term benefit until normal service resumes (which should be now tbh)
Personally think we have enough to worry about with shoehorning enough experience into players like Blackadder, De Groot, Papalii and Tukehui plus others to worry about their tier below them just yet.
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The last time the ABs played a NH club team (Munster in 2008) it was a second-string team missing all of their Irish international players. Nearly lost though!
Didn’t Munster win the haka though!?
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Dan, the limited value we would get out of them probably means they are not worth doing.
I see value in dirtrackers playing NH sides but the difficulty in agreeing terms with a club, strength of opposition, ABs taking an enlarged squad for these games means it would be hard to justify.
I think at the moment, we have a lot of players who are inexperienced in playing international rugby up north so it may be worth a short term benefit until normal service resumes (which should be now tbh)
Personally think we have enough to worry about with shoehorning enough experience into players like Blackadder, De Groot, Papalii and Tukehui plus others to worry about their tier below them just yet.
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
Dan, the limited value we would get out of them probably means they are not worth doing.
I see value in dirtrackers playing NH sides but the difficulty in agreeing terms with a club, strength of opposition, ABs taking an enlarged squad for these games means it would be hard to justify.
I think at the moment, we have a lot of players who are inexperienced in playing international rugby up north so it may be worth a short term benefit until normal service resumes (which should be now tbh)
Personally think we have enough to worry about with shoehorning enough experience into players like Blackadder, De Groot, Papalii and Tukehui plus others to worry about their tier below them just yet.
Agree, though I not sure if playing against club teams will give them a lot of experience at playing test teams, just gives them experience at playing along side other second string ABs. I wonder if there would not be more value in getting NZ Áá going and them playing USA,Canada etc etc.
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@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
Dan, the limited value we would get out of them probably means they are not worth doing.
I see value in dirtrackers playing NH sides but the difficulty in agreeing terms with a club, strength of opposition, ABs taking an enlarged squad for these games means it would be hard to justify.
I think at the moment, we have a lot of players who are inexperienced in playing international rugby up north so it may be worth a short term benefit until normal service resumes (which should be now tbh)
Personally think we have enough to worry about with shoehorning enough experience into players like Blackadder, De Groot, Papalii and Tukehui plus others to worry about their tier below them just yet.
Agree, though I not sure if playing against club teams will give them a lot of experience at playing test teams, just gives them experience at playing along side other second string ABs. I wonder if there would not be more value in getting NZ Áá going and them playing USA,Canada etc etc.
USA and Canada would probably lose to a top European side shorn of their internationals.
I see value in NZA touring the nth hemisphere clubs. Let’s face it, rugby in the north is leading the way at the moment so there would be a lot of value in getting that exposure for NZ players who have probably only played against NZ and Aus super rugby sides to date…
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USA and Canada would probably lose to a top European side shorn of their internationals.
I see value in NZA touring the nth hemisphere clubs. Let’s face it, rugby in the north is leading the way at the moment so there would be a lot of value in getting that exposure for NZ players who have probably only played against NZ and Aus super rugby sides to date…
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
USA and Canada would probably lose to a top European side shorn of their internationals.
I see value in NZA touring the nth hemisphere clubs. Let’s face it, rugby in the north is leading the way at the moment so there would be a lot of value in getting that exposure for NZ players who have probably only played against NZ and Aus super rugby sides to date…
Mate I couldn't agree more about the strength of Clubs sides in Europe, hell I watch games every week, I thinking more of the good of international rugby, ie USA, Canada etc.
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I see Oli Jäger made the team of the week.
What are the chances of him being called up in July?
And by whom!? Would he choose the ABs over Ireland?
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I see Oli Jäger made the team of the week.
What are the chances of him being called up in July?
And by whom!? Would he choose the ABs over Ireland?
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
I see Oli Jäger made the team of the week.
What are the chances of him being called up in July?
And by whom!? Would he choose the ABs over Ireland?
Yeah he has stated his goal is to try and play for The AB’s
He has been in ChCh since 2013
At 26 years old
192 cm
128 Kg he’s big enough -
Paywalled but it looks like the useless fluffybunnies including Mooar and McLeod will retain their positions till 2023.
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lol if true
where do i get those KPIs?
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Paywalled but it looks like the useless fluffybunnies including Mooar and McLeod will retain their positions till 2023.
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2022:
Paywalled but it looks like the useless fluffybunnies including Mooar and McLeod will retain their positions till 2023.
Same old Shit under these clowns then.
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it's kinda shit we will never know what went on in the review because i would love to hear the questions and answers.
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Unbelievable incompetence, signing these fuckwits up before Northern tour
Strangely, NZ Rugby did not announce it last year but the Herald understands Mooar, Plumtree, Feek and defence coach Scott McLeod all re-signed through to the 2023 World Cup not long after head coach Foster was granted his two-year extension last August.
The assistant coaches have now survived the review, and avoided NZ Rugby having to fork out potential pay-outs..
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Unbelievable incompetence, signing these fuckwits up before Northern tour
Strangely, NZ Rugby did not announce it last year but the Herald understands Mooar, Plumtree, Feek and defence coach Scott McLeod all re-signed through to the 2023 World Cup not long after head coach Foster was granted his two-year extension last August.
The assistant coaches have now survived the review, and avoided NZ Rugby having to fork out potential pay-outs..
@machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
Unbelievable incompetence, signing these fuckwits up before Northern tour
Strangely, NZ Rugby did not announce it last year but the Herald understands Mooar, Plumtree, Feek and defence coach Scott McLeod all re-signed through to the 2023 World Cup not long after head coach Foster was granted his two-year extension last August.
The assistant coaches have now survived the review, and avoided NZ Rugby having to fork out potential pay-outs..
loooooooooooooooool
deadset how fucking shit have the NZRU become at high performance?
No wonder they were pushing hard for the Silver Lake deal, it'll be worth half as much in 12 months.
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Unbelievable incompetence, signing these fuckwits up before Northern tour
Strangely, NZ Rugby did not announce it last year but the Herald understands Mooar, Plumtree, Feek and defence coach Scott McLeod all re-signed through to the 2023 World Cup not long after head coach Foster was granted his two-year extension last August.
The assistant coaches have now survived the review, and avoided NZ Rugby having to fork out potential pay-outs..
@machpants what's the point in having a review? Even that butt covering exercise wastes resources.
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Paywalled but it looks like the useless fluffybunnies including Mooar and McLeod will retain their positions till 2023.
New Zealand Rugby's appetite for major personnel change appears minimal with the All Blacks and Black Ferns likely to retain their status quo coaches.
All Blacks coach Ian Foster and Black Ferns counterpart Glenn Moore have fronted NZ Rugby's high-performance executives in recent days ahead of today's board meeting where the respective reviews into their side's 2021 campaigns will be formally tabled.
For the All Blacks, after successive defeats against Ireland and France to finish a season that featured 12 wins and three losses (their worst record since 2009) their review assumed a dark cloud. Weaknesses across the board — including the game drivers' inability to switch from Plan A to B in those final two assignments and cope with the suffocating Northern Hemisphere style — were highlighted, but from a management perspective there will be no casualties despite critical player feedback in some areas.
While Foster is said to have largely reviewed well, All Blacks assistant coaches Brad Mooar (attack), John Plumtree (forwards) and to a lesser extent Greg Feek (scrum) were heavily scrutinised. In each case NZ Rugby has, however, opted to pursue the development rather than termination option.
From an attacking perspective the All Blacks scored 101 tries last year to break the single season record of 92 tries set by Argentina in 2003. Those figures were, though, seriously skewed by the All Blacks amassing centuries against weak Tongan and USA teams.
When confronted with relentless Irish and French defensive pressure, the All Blacks attack failed to fire. Predictability and a lack of evolution were evident.
The forward pack's struggles formed another continuing source of frustration. Just as England dominated the All Blacks in their 2019 World Cup semifinal, they were again largely overpowered up front by Ireland and France.
The Springboks troubled the All Blacks with their physical onslaught at the breakdown too. France claimed two maul tries in Paris and the All Blacks lineout wobbled at times, leaving lingering concerns about their ability to deliver a front-foot platform against formidable packs.
Strangely, NZ Rugby did not announce it last year but the Herald understands Mooar, Plumtree, Feek and defence coach Scott McLeod all re-signed through to the 2023 World Cup not long after head coach Foster was granted his two-year extension last August.
The assistant coaches have now survived the review, and avoided NZ Rugby having to fork out potential pay-outs.
Joe Schmidt's anticipated arrival into the All Blacks coaching team will ask hard questions to challenge established strategies and selections this year. Foster has been open about embracing Schmidt's knowledge of the northern game, and his views on All Blacks' weaknesses having enjoyed success with Ireland against New Zealand.
At this stage, though, Schmidt is not expected to travel abroad with the All Blacks and doesn't officially start his selector/analyst role until August following Ireland's three test July tour of New Zealand.
While the All Blacks review identified the need for specific coaching improvements, subsequent feedback is understood to have challenged senior players to accept their share of responsibility, too.
The All Blacks end-of-year tour squad featured nine players aged 30 years or older, sparking concerns in some quarters that number is too high with the World Cup still 18 months away.
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If you were one of the assistant coaches and you got a really bad review - coaching a national icon - and you knew by in large you deserved it, wouldn't you resign - rather than hanging in to likely fail at5 the big dance, or for a sacking and cheque?
@chris-b said in All Blacks 2022:
If you were one of the assistant coaches and you got a really bad review - coaching a national icon - and you knew by in large you deserved it, wouldn't you resign - rather than hanging in to likely fail at5 the big dance, or for a sacking and cheque?
You would think so, I wonder how much of the subsequent feedback challenging senior players infuenced the decision to keep them on. Perhaps they are hanging on to a narrative that says the players didnt follow the plan ( or plan B ) they gave them.
Not that the public would have any idea if one existed to start with!
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New Zealand Rugby's appetite for major personnel change appears minimal with the All Blacks and Black Ferns likely to retain their status quo coaches.
All Blacks coach Ian Foster and Black Ferns counterpart Glenn Moore have fronted NZ Rugby's high-performance executives in recent days ahead of today's board meeting where the respective reviews into their side's 2021 campaigns will be formally tabled.
For the All Blacks, after successive defeats against Ireland and France to finish a season that featured 12 wins and three losses (their worst record since 2009) their review assumed a dark cloud. Weaknesses across the board — including the game drivers' inability to switch from Plan A to B in those final two assignments and cope with the suffocating Northern Hemisphere style — were highlighted, but from a management perspective there will be no casualties despite critical player feedback in some areas.
While Foster is said to have largely reviewed well, All Blacks assistant coaches Brad Mooar (attack), John Plumtree (forwards) and to a lesser extent Greg Feek (scrum) were heavily scrutinised. In each case NZ Rugby has, however, opted to pursue the development rather than termination option.
From an attacking perspective the All Blacks scored 101 tries last year to break the single season record of 92 tries set by Argentina in 2003. Those figures were, though, seriously skewed by the All Blacks amassing centuries against weak Tongan and USA teams.
When confronted with relentless Irish and French defensive pressure, the All Blacks attack failed to fire. Predictability and a lack of evolution were evident.
The forward pack's struggles formed another continuing source of frustration. Just as England dominated the All Blacks in their 2019 World Cup semifinal, they were again largely overpowered up front by Ireland and France.
The Springboks troubled the All Blacks with their physical onslaught at the breakdown too. France claimed two maul tries in Paris and the All Blacks lineout wobbled at times, leaving lingering concerns about their ability to deliver a front-foot platform against formidable packs.
Strangely, NZ Rugby did not announce it last year but the Herald understands Mooar, Plumtree, Feek and defence coach Scott McLeod all re-signed through to the 2023 World Cup not long after head coach Foster was granted his two-year extension last August.
The assistant coaches have now survived the review, and avoided NZ Rugby having to fork out potential pay-outs.
Joe Schmidt's anticipated arrival into the All Blacks coaching team will ask hard questions to challenge established strategies and selections this year. Foster has been open about embracing Schmidt's knowledge of the northern game, and his views on All Blacks' weaknesses having enjoyed success with Ireland against New Zealand.
At this stage, though, Schmidt is not expected to travel abroad with the All Blacks and doesn't officially start his selector/analyst role until August following Ireland's three test July tour of New Zealand.
While the All Blacks review identified the need for specific coaching improvements, subsequent feedback is understood to have challenged senior players to accept their share of responsibility, too.
The All Blacks end-of-year tour squad featured nine players aged 30 years or older, sparking concerns in some quarters that number is too high with the World Cup still 18 months away.
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
While Foster is said to have largely reviewed well, All Blacks assistant coaches Brad Mooar (attack), John Plumtree (forwards) and to a lesser extent Greg Feek (scrum) were heavily scrutinised.
What about McLeod and the bend-but-don't-break-it-breaks-anyway defence?
