All Blacks 2022
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We definetly have some talented youngsters coming through the system. The Under 20s this year were very impressive in the Oceania Cup. Hopefully Silverlake poors more resources into the Under 20s. The loss of talent abroad both coaching and players is having an effect as that is a contributing factor in the growing performance of the Northern Hemisphere. We have also poored a lot into the Japanese game. We need that talent back in New Zealand to strengthen our game instead of developing other nations at the expense of ours.
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2022:
We definetly have some talented youngsters coming through the system. The Under 20s this year were very impressive in the Oceania Cup. Hopefully Silverlake poors more resources into the Under 20s. The loss of talent abroad both coaching and players is having an effect as that is a contributing factor in the growing performance of the Northern Hemisphere. We have also poored a lot into the Japanese game. We need that talent back in New Zealand to strengthen our game instead of developing other nations at the expense of ours.
It's hard to gauge how good the Under 20s were this year because we don't know how strong the opposition was. What does seem promising is the number of players from that team looking good at NPC level.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2022:
We definetly have some talented youngsters coming through the system. The Under 20s this year were very impressive in the Oceania Cup. Hopefully Silverlake poors more resources into the Under 20s. The loss of talent abroad both coaching and players is having an effect as that is a contributing factor in the growing performance of the Northern Hemisphere. We have also poored a lot into the Japanese game. We need that talent back in New Zealand to strengthen our game instead of developing other nations at the expense of ours.
It's hard to gauge how good the Under 20s were this year because we don't know how strong the opposition was. What does seem promising is the number of players from that team looking good at NPC level.
@Crazy-Horse I agree with that. Without a World U20 Championship, you just don't know. The Aussie U20 team looked terrible, the Pumitas looked good, but would we have beaten the Junior Boks?
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2022:
Jona Nareki?
Nareki, not this year
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-prospect-jona-nareki-set-for-lengthy-sideline-stint/ Was he seriously in AB contention? -
semi interesting stats
Involvements in the 6 games so far
All 6
Cane (6 starts)
Savea (6 starts)
Smith (6 starts)
R Ioane (6 starts)
J Barrett (6 starts)
R Mounga (2 starts, 6 bench)
Bower (4 starts 2 bench)5 games
Taylor (3 starts 2 bench)
Whitelock (5 starts)
S Barrett (5 starts)
B Barrett (4 starts 1 bench)
Tupaea (2 starts 3 bench)
Jordan (1 bench 4 starts)
Taukeiaho (2 bench 3 starts)For a team that is 2-4, it's interesting to see so many ever-presents.
Am i calling for all of those players to get the ass? no
Should a team focused on peak performance be rewarding failure with selection over and over? also no -
semi interesting stats
Involvements in the 6 games so far
All 6
Cane (6 starts)
Savea (6 starts)
Smith (6 starts)
R Ioane (6 starts)
J Barrett (6 starts)
R Mounga (2 starts, 6 bench)
Bower (4 starts 2 bench)5 games
Taylor (3 starts 2 bench)
Whitelock (5 starts)
S Barrett (5 starts)
B Barrett (4 starts 1 bench)
Tupaea (2 starts 3 bench)
Jordan (1 bench 4 starts)
Taukeiaho (2 bench 3 starts)For a team that is 2-4, it's interesting to see so many ever-presents.
Am i calling for all of those players to get the ass? no
Should a team focused on peak performance be rewarding failure with selection over and over? also no@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
semi interesting stats
Involvements in the 6 games so far
All 6
Cane (6 starts)
Savea (6 starts)
Smith (6 starts)
R Ioane (6 starts)
J Barrett (6 starts)
R Mounga (2 starts, 6 bench)
Bower (4 starts 2 bench)5 games
Taylor (3 starts 2 bench)
Whitelock (5 starts)
S Barrett (5 starts)
B Barrett (4 starts 1 bench)
Tupaea (2 starts 3 bench)
Jordan (1 bench 4 starts)
Taukeiaho (2 bench 3 starts)For a team that is 2-4, it's interesting to see so many ever-presents.
Am i calling for all of those players to get the ass? no
Should a team focused on peak performance be rewarding failure with selection over and over? also noReading your list one would think Sami T was one of the worst performers or often injured.
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semi interesting stats
Involvements in the 6 games so far
All 6
Cane (6 starts)
Savea (6 starts)
Smith (6 starts)
R Ioane (6 starts)
J Barrett (6 starts)
R Mounga (2 starts, 6 bench)
Bower (4 starts 2 bench)5 games
Taylor (3 starts 2 bench)
Whitelock (5 starts)
S Barrett (5 starts)
B Barrett (4 starts 1 bench)
Tupaea (2 starts 3 bench)
Jordan (1 bench 4 starts)
Taukeiaho (2 bench 3 starts)For a team that is 2-4, it's interesting to see so many ever-presents.
Am i calling for all of those players to get the ass? no
Should a team focused on peak performance be rewarding failure with selection over and over? also no@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Savea (6 starts)
probably the only one to demand he starts with continued high performance, even if there is still some debate about if he should be at 8, 7 or on the bench.
Lord was injured, but outside him, is it only Sotutu who has zero minutes so far from the squad named?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Savea (6 starts)
probably the only one to demand he starts with continued high performance, even if there is still some debate about if he should be at 8, 7 or on the bench.
Lord was injured, but outside him, is it only Sotutu who has zero minutes so far from the squad named?
@taniwharugby it really is baffling for a team to be struggling so much and not even try something different like sotutu...and not even crazy different like....just trying someone you picked for your squad in his primary position...or Fainga'anuku
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@taniwharugby it really is baffling for a team to be struggling so much and not even try something different like sotutu...and not even crazy different like....just trying someone you picked for your squad in his primary position...or Fainga'anuku
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby it really is baffling for a team to be struggling so much and not even try something different like sotutu...and not even crazy different like....just trying someone you picked for your squad in his primary position...or Fainga'anuku
If the team is struggling because it keeps reverting to a helter skelter style why on earth would you want more helter skelter players?
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@nostrildamus @bones had a man crush on him I think.
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus @bones had a man crush on him I think.
You thought wrong
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus @bones had a man crush on him I think.
You thought wrong
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Even the Rugbypod (Parsons, Hall, Karl) have started to put the boot in.
It seems clear to me from Bryn Hall’s comments that there is a perception that there is a preparation problem.
I’m not interested in discussing head coaching changes, but beyond that what would help?
Do we need a McCaw there? An outsider watching the preparation and reporting to the coaches, players, whoever about preparation?
It also seemed pretty clear from Parsons that they should be selecting others, if the team is actually doing what the coaches are saying (i.e., rebuilding) then why aren’t we rebuilding? Where is Sotutu? Va’ii? RTS?
The final point is that the Argies just want it more. Do we just have players who don’t care about losing? Is there a solution to that?
Edit: They finally somewhat brought up defense, is it that simple? We can't score but we are giving up too many points? I've always said that if you get more than 20 and put in a big effort, you'll likely tip us up, so is it just our defense/discipline just giving up points too easily?
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby it really is baffling for a team to be struggling so much and not even try something different like sotutu...and not even crazy different like....just trying someone you picked for your squad in his primary position...or Fainga'anuku
If the team is struggling because it keeps reverting to a helter skelter style why on earth would you want more helter skelter players?
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby it really is baffling for a team to be struggling so much and not even try something different like sotutu...and not even crazy different like....just trying someone you picked for your squad in his primary position...or Fainga'anuku
If the team is struggling because it keeps reverting to a helter skelter style why on earth would you want more helter skelter players?
Aren’t you the guy wanting the epitome of helter skelter - DMac - back in the squad?
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@taniwharugby it really is baffling for a team to be struggling so much and not even try something different like sotutu...and not even crazy different like....just trying someone you picked for your squad in his primary position...or Fainga'anuku
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby it really is baffling for a team to be struggling so much and not even try something different like sotutu...and not even crazy different like....just trying someone you picked for your squad in his primary position...or Fainga'anuku
We haven't had the chance to try new stuff/players as we are always chasing a series we need to win - which means picking the more established, experienced players. Bit of a vicious circle.
Might be time to throw caution to the wind and do stuff like stick JB at 12, RTS at 13. Ardie at 7, Hoskins at 8 and give Fainga'anuku a fair bit of time in the midfield off the bench. It would at least test some of the Fern's selection theories....
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Even the Rugbypod (Parsons, Hall, Karl) have started to put the boot in.
It seems clear to me from Bryn Hall’s comments that there is a perception that there is a preparation problem.
I’m not interested in discussing head coaching changes, but beyond that what would help?
Do we need a McCaw there? An outsider watching the preparation and reporting to the coaches, players, whoever about preparation?
It also seemed pretty clear from Parsons that they should be selecting others, if the team is actually doing what the coaches are saying (i.e., rebuilding) then why aren’t we rebuilding? Where is Sotutu? Va’ii? RTS?
The final point is that the Argies just want it more. Do we just have players who don’t care about losing? Is there a solution to that?
Edit: They finally somewhat brought up defense, is it that simple? We can't score but we are giving up too many points? I've always said that if you get more than 20 and put in a big effort, you'll likely tip us up, so is it just our defense/discipline just giving up points too easily?
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
Do we just have players who don’t care about losing? Is there a solution to that?
They don't want to lose but they seem to have lost the way to win.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby it really is baffling for a team to be struggling so much and not even try something different like sotutu...and not even crazy different like....just trying someone you picked for your squad in his primary position...or Fainga'anuku
If the team is struggling because it keeps reverting to a helter skelter style why on earth would you want more helter skelter players?
Aren’t you the guy wanting the epitome of helter skelter - DMac - back in the squad?
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby it really is baffling for a team to be struggling so much and not even try something different like sotutu...and not even crazy different like....just trying someone you picked for your squad in his primary position...or Fainga'anuku
If the team is struggling because it keeps reverting to a helter skelter style why on earth would you want more helter skelter players?
Aren’t you the guy wanting the epitome of helter skelter - DMac - back in the squad?
TBF, DMac was shaping up well with way less helter-skelter pre-injury and was pretty good in '18 - particularly on the EOYT.
Don't know if he'd fit into the current squad right now though.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby it really is baffling for a team to be struggling so much and not even try something different like sotutu...and not even crazy different like....just trying someone you picked for your squad in his primary position...or Fainga'anuku
We haven't had the chance to try new stuff/players as we are always chasing a series we need to win - which means picking the more established, experienced players. Bit of a vicious circle.
Might be time to throw caution to the wind and do stuff like stick JB at 12, RTS at 13. Ardie at 7, Hoskins at 8 and give Fainga'anuku a fair bit of time in the midfield off the bench. It would at least test some of the Fern's selection theories....
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
RTS at 13
That sounds far too stupid even for the fern...
It would be in the true spirit of the place but I read yesterday that his best position was 13 and Panadol only uses him at 2nd 5/8 as Reiko is at 13.
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@nostrildamus Only in some people's heads.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Only in some people's heads.
In my head, but can you honestly say Bridgey was that much better than Nareki? nonetheless that's now long in the past, although if Otago make it to the quarters and Nareki makes a good go of it I would like to see him in the all blacks xv back three with Sullivan and Telea.
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Even the Rugbypod (Parsons, Hall, Karl) have started to put the boot in.
It seems clear to me from Bryn Hall’s comments that there is a perception that there is a preparation problem.
I’m not interested in discussing head coaching changes, but beyond that what would help?
Do we need a McCaw there? An outsider watching the preparation and reporting to the coaches, players, whoever about preparation?
It also seemed pretty clear from Parsons that they should be selecting others, if the team is actually doing what the coaches are saying (i.e., rebuilding) then why aren’t we rebuilding? Where is Sotutu? Va’ii? RTS?
The final point is that the Argies just want it more. Do we just have players who don’t care about losing? Is there a solution to that?
Edit: They finally somewhat brought up defense, is it that simple? We can't score but we are giving up too many points? I've always said that if you get more than 20 and put in a big effort, you'll likely tip us up, so is it just our defense/discipline just giving up points too easily?
@gt12 yep, I've been banging the off field stuff and suggesting they look to MCcaw, DC, top leaguies etc...seems way too insular, sure we have Schmidt and Ryan now, but Fozzie is still the boss.
Sure he might be open to new ideas, but I am sure he has ways he does stuff and won't want to shift completely.
As to defence, yep, been a huge issue in that we are leaking too many points and it is so passive that we are not putting any pressure on the opposition through strong disiplined defence.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
Do we just have players who don’t care about losing? Is there a solution to that?
They don't want to lose but they seem to have lost the way to win.
@Victor-Meldrew And the fear of losing is affecting their ability to make changes. Interesting that O’Connor had a bad game for the Aussies and Rennie had no problems axing him. Fosters butt puckers up when he is faced with tough decisions.
