All Blacks 2022
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The prop mix will be dependent on whether Ofa is used more as a LH for the ABs. If Moody comes back into the frame it might be at the expense of Bower. I still think that de Groot needs to improve his fitness as he was really blowing late in the 1st half.
There are still question marks over the 5th and 6th props. Laulala might be on his last chance.
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@Crucial Cane is the past too but wouldn't be a surprise to see him back as well. Foster is loyal to a fault if nothing else.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial Cane is the past too but wouldn't be a surprise to see him back as well. Foster is loyal to a fault if nothing else.
Papali'i is head & shoulders better than Cane it's not funny. It's obvious to everyone but Ian Foster at this point.
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@kiwi_expat Joe Moody will have a say at loosehead.
Despite a small handful of naysayers, Fern Favourite Shannon Frizell has the inside track at 6. Loosies are more balanced with AIoane on the bench - along with SBarrett.
Right now, I'd be a bit surprised if Fakatava makes the squad. I'd pick Smith, Weber and Christie as my halfbacks, but I said similar at the start of this year and that proved wrong.
I've still got question-marks about Clarke, but if Beauden is at fullback I don't like Reece also being in the back 3.
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@kiwi_expat Joe Moody will have a say at loosehead.
Despite a small handful of naysayers, Fern Favourite Shannon Frizell has the inside track at 6. Loosies are more balanced with AIoane on the bench - along with SBarrett.
Right now, I'd be a bit surprised if Fakatava makes the squad. I'd pick Smith, Weber and Christie as my halfbacks, but I said similar at the start of this year and that proved wrong.
I've still got question-marks about Clarke, but if Beauden is at fullback I don't like Reece also being in the back 3.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat Joe Moody will have a say at loosehead.
Despite a small handful of naysayers, Fern Favourite Shannon Frizell has the inside track at 6. Loosies are more balanced with AIoane on the bench - along with SBarrett.
Right now, I'd be a bit surprised if Fakatava makes the squad. I'd pick Smith, Weber and Christie as my halfbacks, but I said similar at the start of this year and that proved wrong.
I've still got question-marks about Clarke, but if Beauden is at fullback I don't like Reece also being in the back 3.
Pretty much with you on all of that.
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The prop mix will be dependent on whether Ofa is used more as a LH for the ABs. If Moody comes back into the frame it might be at the expense of Bower. I still think that de Groot needs to improve his fitness as he was really blowing late in the 1st half.
There are still question marks over the 5th and 6th props. Laulala might be on his last chance.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I still think that de Groot needs to improve his fitness as he was really blowing late in the 1st half.
Agree. I noticed he was slow to get off the ground for a period of time too. He needs to get it sorted.
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@Chris-B I agree on Moody. If Ethan Blackadder has a good SRP season, he'll be in the loosie mix as well.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B I agree on Moody. If Ethan Blackadder has a good SRP season, he'll be in the loosie mix as well.
not aimed at Ethan, but it will very hard to break into Test rugby in the loosies next year. He'd have to play the house down and hope for injuries I suspect. Getting experience and combinations will be the focus I suspect
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B I agree on Moody. If Ethan Blackadder has a good SRP season, he'll be in the loosie mix as well.
not aimed at Ethan, but it will very hard to break into Test rugby in the loosies next year. He'd have to play the house down and hope for injuries I suspect. Getting experience and combinations will be the focus I suspect
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@nzzp Considering the backrow is far from settled, I think his chances to make the team are as good as Frizell's and AIoane's, especially because he can play all three positions.
@Stargazer dunno, assuming fitness, it would appear Fosters preferred trio is Frizzel, Savea, Cane, its the bench where Ioane is at risk IMO, but cant see them going too far from thier tried and tested (even if some found wanting)
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@nzzp Considering the backrow is far from settled, I think his chances to make the team are as good as Frizell's and AIoane's, especially because he can play all three positions.
@Stargazer i think WE all think the back three is far from settled....but fozzie has shown he can be very slow to change things...so on paper he could arguably be as good as friz/ioane....but all he has to do is say "experience" and they have have a huge headstart
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I thought their preferred option was Scott Barrett at 6 when both Brodie and Sam are available or have I got that wrong ?
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I thought their preferred option was Scott Barrett at 6 when both Brodie and Sam are available or have I got that wrong ?
@kiwiinmelb if not prefered...definitely more likely than someone new
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You can almost guarantee there will be further injuries and form fluctuations to add to the drama
guys coming back from injury have got to play the house down in super rugby and put their hand up to show they are up for it , and hope all the cards fall their way ,
You never really know how it will all play out , bit of water to pass under the bridge yet
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I thought their preferred option was Scott Barrett at 6 when both Brodie and Sam are available or have I got that wrong ?
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
I thought their preferred option was Scott Barrett at 6 when both Brodie and Sam are available or have I got that wrong ?
yes, people on here have short memory it seems..
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Personally, I think Barrett, Papali'i, Savea is our best combination for 2023. A.Ioane impact role 20.
Foster will start Cane & have Papali'i 20, leaving no space for Frizzell in the 23 (that's one positive).
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Personally, I think Barrett, Papali'i, Savea is our best combination for 2023. A.Ioane impact role 20.
Foster will start Cane & have Papali'i 20, leaving no space for Frizzell in the 23 (that's one positive).
@kiwi_expat Barrett starting at 6 opens up another bench spot for a loosie.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial Cane is the past too but wouldn't be a surprise to see him back as well. Foster is loyal to a fault if nothing else.
Papali'i is head & shoulders better than Cane it's not funny. It's obvious to everyone but Ian Foster at this point.
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial Cane is the past too but wouldn't be a surprise to see him back as well. Foster is loyal to a fault if nothing else.
Papali'i is head & shoulders better than Cane it's not funny. It's obvious to everyone but Ian Foster at this point.
I'm a big Cane fan, but you're right; Dalts is playing better. For the second NH tour in a row we are seeing he can make the step up against quality opposition.
Having Cane out with injury and Big Sam taking responsibility for the captaincy may make it easier for Foster to relegate Cane to the bench next year. We've already seen he was prepared to give Jordie another go at 12 after every man and his dog assured us he was too conservative to do that.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial Cane is the past too but wouldn't be a surprise to see him back as well. Foster is loyal to a fault if nothing else.
Papali'i is head & shoulders better than Cane it's not funny. It's obvious to everyone but Ian Foster at this point.
I'm a big Cane fan, but you're right; Dalts is playing better. For the second NH tour in a row we are seeing he can make the step up against quality opposition.
Having Cane out with injury and Big Sam taking responsibility for the captaincy may make it easier for Foster to relegate Cane to the bench next year. We've already seen he was prepared to give Jordie another go at 12 after every man and his dog assured us he was too conservative to do that.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial Cane is the past too but wouldn't be a surprise to see him back as well. Foster is loyal to a fault if nothing else.
Papali'i is head & shoulders better than Cane it's not funny. It's obvious to everyone but Ian Foster at this point.
I'm a big Cane fan, but you're right; Dalts is playing better. For the second NH tour in a row we are seeing he can make the step up against quality opposition.
Having Cane out with injury and Big Sam taking responsibility for the captaincy may make it easier for Foster to relegate Cane to the bench next year. We've already seen he was prepared to give Jordie another go at 12 after every man and his dog assured us he was too conservative to do that.
He didn't ditch his flaky assistants, he won't ditch Cane
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial Cane is the past too but wouldn't be a surprise to see him back as well. Foster is loyal to a fault if nothing else.
Papali'i is head & shoulders better than Cane it's not funny. It's obvious to everyone but Ian Foster at this point.
I'm a big Cane fan, but you're right; Dalts is playing better. For the second NH tour in a row we are seeing he can make the step up against quality opposition.
Having Cane out with injury and Big Sam taking responsibility for the captaincy may make it easier for Foster to relegate Cane to the bench next year. We've already seen he was prepared to give Jordie another go at 12 after every man and his dog assured us he was too conservative to do that.
He didn't ditch his flaky assistants, he won't ditch Cane
@Machpants i fear you're right
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial Cane is the past too but wouldn't be a surprise to see him back as well. Foster is loyal to a fault if nothing else.
Papali'i is head & shoulders better than Cane it's not funny. It's obvious to everyone but Ian Foster at this point.
I'm a big Cane fan, but you're right; Dalts is playing better. For the second NH tour in a row we are seeing he can make the step up against quality opposition.
Having Cane out with injury and Big Sam taking responsibility for the captaincy may make it easier for Foster to relegate Cane to the bench next year. We've already seen he was prepared to give Jordie another go at 12 after every man and his dog assured us he was too conservative to do that.
He didn't ditch his flaky assistants, he won't ditch Cane
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial Cane is the past too but wouldn't be a surprise to see him back as well. Foster is loyal to a fault if nothing else.
Papali'i is head & shoulders better than Cane it's not funny. It's obvious to everyone but Ian Foster at this point.
I'm a big Cane fan, but you're right; Dalts is playing better. For the second NH tour in a row we are seeing he can make the step up against quality opposition.
Having Cane out with injury and Big Sam taking responsibility for the captaincy may make it easier for Foster to relegate Cane to the bench next year. We've already seen he was prepared to give Jordie another go at 12 after every man and his dog assured us he was too conservative to do that.
He didn't ditch his flaky assistants
The ones without a job?
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@ARHS said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial add Aidan Ross to that list. Maybe Telea and Dickson. But I hope Telea gets a chance v Scotland.
Ross was one I was specifically thinking of.
Gets selected, gets talked up for what he is doing at training, doesn’t play. Gets deselected.
I don’t have too many qualms about where they ended up front row wise but Ross was never given his chance. Bower isn’t much more than adequate and it would have been good to see someone pushing him.
