All Blacks 2022
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
So I'm sure, if it's his job or Cane, Cane will go. Until that point, he's inked in and captain
Foster is conservative and loyal to his people (generally a good thing) but that seems to cloud his judgement. If he makes his mind up he can make the required changes but I can't see that happening either. If it does - not until next season.
He didn't ditch them, he was ordered to. Totally different things.
My understanding from what he's said in public was Mooar & Plumtree's replacement came from a drains-up with the players after the Ireland debacle and was driven by himself and the players. And he's also been clear he wanted Schmidt as an assistant from Day one and clearly Mooar was not his first choice.
@Victor-Meldrew I believe they didnt receive great player feedback at the end of 2021 either, so writing was on the wall, the Irish test was the last nail and Foster was able to stay on despite that (given he got great player reviews apparently)...I imagine things wouldnt have been great if they had done well in player reviews as well...maybe that would have seen them all shit canned.
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@Windows97 BB's interesting though because it feels like a lot of his really outstanding games came off the bench to start with
really disappointed jordan is injured as this could have been the chance to see him at 15 and jordie at 12
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 BB's interesting though because it feels like a lot of his really outstanding games came off the bench to start with
really disappointed jordan is injured as this could have been the chance to see him at 15 and jordie at 12
BB was a goal kicking first 5 player of the year, then for some reason decided to stop kicking goals which then made him somewhat of a liability as a first 5 as you then needed to pick a goal kicking fullback (and Dmac and Jordie aren't as good at kicking goals as Mounga is).
Now Mounga is first 5 so BB is just floating about the place no-where. I'd like to see BB at fullback to play the duel pivot role but with this team who knows.
Agree re Jordan - the best attacking fullback in NZ, defense not super solid however, this could have been where he made his mark, but alas that opportunity has gone.
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These posts on SB at 6 not lock are interesting. To my eye he is best at lock, currently more dynamic there than Retallick so the question isn't so much Scott B vz XYZ at 6, but whether Retallick is better at lock with Scott B at 6, or Scott B at lock and XYZ at 6.
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These posts on SB at 6 not lock are interesting. To my eye he is best at lock, currently more dynamic there than Retallick so the question isn't so much Scott B vz XYZ at 6, but whether Retallick is better at lock with Scott B at 6, or Scott B at lock and XYZ at 6.
@nostrildamus for some of us maybe...but fozzie has made it pretty clear he see SB as a serious option at 6, he has also shown a tendency to get the "best" players on the pitch at the same time and SB, SW, BBR are all "better" than SF or RI
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These posts on SB at 6 not lock are interesting. To my eye he is best at lock, currently more dynamic there than Retallick so the question isn't so much Scott B vz XYZ at 6, but whether Retallick is better at lock with Scott B at 6, or Scott B at lock and XYZ at 6.
I really liked the way Scott Barrett and Dalton used their frame and limbs to straddle and isolate Welsh on the ground. I think I recall early in the game Scott Barrett tackled one, straddled another, then grabbed a 3rd, keeping all 3 pinned to the ground. Not sure how he did that!
This reminds me about Reece, he is a great worker, an extra loosie at the ruck, but when he is competing against big tough forwards in a forward battle type game this extra work effort is negated as he doesn't have the limbs or length to stretch or reach over the fallen and he doesn't have the ability to suddenly make things happen.
So he is All Black-level but in a forwards battle against a side like England or France I suspect he has slightly less impact.
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@nostrildamus for some of us maybe...but fozzie has made it pretty clear he see SB as a serious option at 6, he has also shown a tendency to get the "best" players on the pitch at the same time and SB, SW, BBR are all "better" than SF or RI
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus for some of us maybe...but fozzie has made it pretty clear he see SB as a serious option at 6, he has also shown a tendency to get the "best" players on the pitch at the same time and SB, SW, BBR are all "better" than SF or RI
Yes I won't argue on Foster's thinking, but is that what you think?
Also, and I could be wrong, but SB has had less cards and penalties at lock than at 6? (Hard to tell as he seems to be getting less lately).. -
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus for some of us maybe...but fozzie has made it pretty clear he see SB as a serious option at 6, he has also shown a tendency to get the "best" players on the pitch at the same time and SB, SW, BBR are all "better" than SF or RI
Yes I won't argue on Foster's thinking, but is that what you think?
Also, and I could be wrong, but SB has had less cards and penalties at lock than at 6? (Hard to tell as he seems to be getting less lately)..@nostrildamus no, i agree with you, i would have SB as lock and rotating BBBR and SW depending on captaincy etc, they have nothing to prove
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@nostrildamus no, i agree with you, i would have SB as lock and rotating BBBR and SW depending on captaincy etc, they have nothing to prove
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus no, i agree with you, i would have SB as lock and rotating BBBR and SW depending on captaincy etc, they have nothing to prove
Yup and got to manage their wear and tear, it will be a big year.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 BB's interesting though because it feels like a lot of his really outstanding games came off the bench to start with
really disappointed jordan is injured as this could have been the chance to see him at 15 and jordie at 12
BB was a goal kicking first 5 player of the year, then for some reason decided to stop kicking goals which then made him somewhat of a liability as a first 5 as you then needed to pick a goal kicking fullback (and Dmac and Jordie aren't as good at kicking goals as Mounga is).
Now Mounga is first 5 so BB is just floating about the place no-where. I'd like to see BB at fullback to play the duel pivot role but with this team who knows.
Agree re Jordan - the best attacking fullback in NZ, defense not super solid however, this could have been where he made his mark, but alas that opportunity has gone.
@Windows97 as I recall it, BB buggered off on his sabbatical and then went to play musical chairs at the blues. Nothing to do with goal kicking.
Do the stats really show RM is better than DM at goal kicking?
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@Windows97 as I recall it, BB buggered off on his sabbatical and then went to play musical chairs at the blues. Nothing to do with goal kicking.
Do the stats really show RM is better than DM at goal kicking?
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@Windows97 as I recall it, BB buggered off on his sabbatical and then went to play musical chairs at the blues. Nothing to do with goal kicking.
Do the stats really show RM is better than DM at goal kicking?
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 as I recall it, BB buggered off on his sabbatical and then went to play musical chairs at the blues. Nothing to do with goal kicking.
Do the stats really show RM is better than DM at goal kicking?not sure about rugbypass stats but BB isn't in the 2022 conversation
https://www.rugbypass.com/players/beauden-barrett/ 0/1 NZ but 88% 14/16 Blues
https://www.rugbypass.com/players/richie-mounga/ 27/33 82% NZ 46/60 77% Crusaders
https://www.rugbypass.com/players/damian-mckenzie/ 35/41 85% WaikatoBut BB's goalkicking was 18/28=64% accurate for NZ in 2021 (79% in 2019) and 8/13=62% for Blues in 2020.
At a casual glance DMac seems to shade RM and BB may be a little behind (but I think BB had a leg injury that affected his kicking a few years ago?)
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 as I recall it, BB buggered off on his sabbatical and then went to play musical chairs at the blues. Nothing to do with goal kicking.
Do the stats really show RM is better than DM at goal kicking?not sure about rugbypass stats but BB isn't in the 2022 conversation
https://www.rugbypass.com/players/beauden-barrett/ 0/1 NZ but 88% 14/16 Blues
https://www.rugbypass.com/players/richie-mounga/ 27/33 82% NZ 46/60 77% Crusaders
https://www.rugbypass.com/players/damian-mckenzie/ 35/41 85% WaikatoBut BB's goalkicking was 18/28=64% accurate for NZ in 2021 (79% in 2019) and 8/13=62% for Blues in 2020.
At a casual glance DMac seems to shade RM and BB may be a little behind (but I think BB had a leg injury that affected his kicking a few years ago?)
@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
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@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
ok. Better source would be appreciated.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
ok. Better source would be appreciated.
@nostrildamus Unfortunately, the SANZAAR website only gives the total number of points scored. That includes goal kicking and tries, and it doesn't give the total number of attempts or missed kicks.
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@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
Even for goal kicking? They're probably not far away from being reliable for that IMO.
I'd say Dmac is a slightly better kicker than both RM and Beauden.
It certainly isn't a hindrance to his chances; he just needs to show he can run a backline and drive a team around a field with better kicking. However, I don't think he'll get that chance with the ABs until after WC (if ever).
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
Even for goal kicking? They're probably not far away from being reliable for that IMO.
I'd say Dmac is a slightly better kicker than both RM and Beauden.
It certainly isn't a hindrance to his chances; he just needs to show he can run a backline and drive a team around a field with better kicking. However, I don't think he'll get that chance with the ABs until after WC (if ever).
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@Stargazer I suppose my point re that is I'm not convinced that RM >> BB at 10.
Both can be brilliant, and both can be flakey (in different ways). But if the deciding factor is goal kicking, it shouldn't be.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 I think Perofeta might be the best goal kicker out of the four of them.
@booboo No, I agree. Jordie can do the goal kicking whatever number he has on his jersey.
Excellent point. At the moment, it's not goal kicking we need, it's kicking from hand effectively.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
Even for goal kicking? They're probably not far away from being reliable for that IMO.
I'd say Dmac is a slightly better kicker than both RM and Beauden.
It certainly isn't a hindrance to his chances; he just needs to show he can run a backline and drive a team around a field with better kicking. However, I don't think he'll get that chance with the ABs until after WC (if ever).
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Rugbypass stats are totally unreliable.
Even for goal kicking? They're probably not far away from being reliable for that IMO.
Yes that should be the least likely to be buggered, someone might like to go game by game to work it out, I can't be bothered.
