All Blacks 2022
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
If Retallick can't hit his straps, Romano is showing everything the ABs have been lacking.
He is playing very very well (and it is awesome), but it really points out everything that has gone wrong with developing the younger locks (and our lack of class in that position) if Romano is the answer.
Does it? I think Lord shows a lot of promise with the way he throws himself about with not much to back him up, hopefully he fills out!
Two or three of the debutantes this season also showing a high level of aggression.
The generation in between the only ones that play similar are just too short!
I dunno, I'm a fan of Lords (I went to Kihikihi, every fucking good rugby player is either a Lord or a Hohepa), and I really love seeing Romano succeed, but there is something about the lack of development of our younger players that is really bugging me. I really want to see the AB15 (or whatever the fuck our second team is) out and playing. I feel like we let that go and we are paying for it now.
For example, in 2011, we won the world cup, but during the lead up to that tournament in 2009 we were running out the AB Junior team. This team from 2009 shows that some future long term ABs were getting their early chances at the level below - a few of those went on to the 2011 and 2015 squads (I think 6?). During the last few years I feel like if we'd been running out the AB15 for 5 matches a year we'd be developing that next level and not relying on the superstars to separate themselves from long-term greats - it's very hard to displace BBBR or Whitelock until it may be far too late.
Would Israel Dagg be ready to score his try against Oz in 2011 on that stage, without his experience of the Junior ABs in 2009 before the full squad in 2010? I dunno.
But, it's something I've been thinking about a lot lately (when I think about the ABs and where things might be going a bit haywire).
@gt12 TBH, after reading that article, I don't know if the Junior team is really that much of a prep for the ABs.
Since we're discussing BBBR, he didn't play juniors, he got booted from Canterbury, starred for the Magpies, played U20s, starred for the Chiefs in 2012 and then was our top lock by the end of the year.
Also, that team you linked to didn't have that many players that went on to long AB careers (Dagg, Crotty and Vito).
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@gt12 TBH, after reading that article, I don't know if the Junior team is really that much of a prep for the ABs.
Since we're discussing BBBR, he didn't play juniors, he got booted from Canterbury, starred for the Magpies, played U20s, starred for the Chiefs in 2012 and then was our top lock by the end of the year.
Also, that team you linked to didn't have that many players that went on to long AB careers (Dagg, Crotty and Vito).
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a perverse part of me wants them to go in to the first test with all of Bridge at 11, Goodhue and Havili midfield, Blackadder at 6, Reiko the bench as excellent cover/impact, Laulala to start,
just for the epic melts (of which i will gleefully partake myself)
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@Bones Agree that he is playing well but that is going backwards. Have to think of 2 years down the road. Papallil in place of Cane. He’s done.
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A long-term Crusader picks his AB captain:
SENZ Breakfast co-host Israel Dagg has named his personal frontrunner for the All Blacks captaincy role.
Loose forward Sam Cane is the current captain of the national side, however, injuries have marred his time at the helm in recent years, prompting calls for his replacement.
While several players including Ardie Savea and Sam Whitelock have attempted the role, Dagg believes one contender “knows what it takes” to lead the side back to their former glory.
“Look for me, I’d probably go with Beauden Barrett if I’m going to be completely honest,” Dagg said.
“I’ll probably go with him just because he’s got a ton of experience, he’s got so much respect and mana in that team.
“You need someone that’s going to be able to (front up) when questions need to be asked, and he’s obviously a driver within that team so he’s got a big voice anyway.
“He’s the person that’s going to be doing most of the talking … all of the decision making out there and having a real connection with that backline (and through) to that forward pack.
“So if I’m going to pick the captain, mine would be Beauden Barrett going into the July series just because he’s played over 100 Tests, he’s got the mana and respect and he knows what it takes to play at that top level.”
With the July Test series against Ireland fast approaching, it will soon be known whether Cane has retained his position or if someone else has been handed the reins.
sen.com.au/news/2022/05/29/hes-got-a-ton-of-experience-the-player-dagg-has-tipped-for-all-blacks/
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie why 2 years down the road? I'm looking more at the rwc...
I guess it is only one year. Still too old in my book and one good outing against the Waratahs and good super rugby comp shouldn’t book his ticket. But 8 people agreed with you and it helps because his contribution at scrum time and needing an engine room type lock.
On the other hand that fact that Foster has only until 2023 to stuff things up is good news. Time flies.
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A long-term Crusader picks his AB captain:
SENZ Breakfast co-host Israel Dagg has named his personal frontrunner for the All Blacks captaincy role.
Loose forward Sam Cane is the current captain of the national side, however, injuries have marred his time at the helm in recent years, prompting calls for his replacement.
While several players including Ardie Savea and Sam Whitelock have attempted the role, Dagg believes one contender “knows what it takes” to lead the side back to their former glory.
“Look for me, I’d probably go with Beauden Barrett if I’m going to be completely honest,” Dagg said.
“I’ll probably go with him just because he’s got a ton of experience, he’s got so much respect and mana in that team.
“You need someone that’s going to be able to (front up) when questions need to be asked, and he’s obviously a driver within that team so he’s got a big voice anyway.
“He’s the person that’s going to be doing most of the talking … all of the decision making out there and having a real connection with that backline (and through) to that forward pack.
“So if I’m going to pick the captain, mine would be Beauden Barrett going into the July series just because he’s played over 100 Tests, he’s got the mana and respect and he knows what it takes to play at that top level.”
With the July Test series against Ireland fast approaching, it will soon be known whether Cane has retained his position or if someone else has been handed the reins.
sen.com.au/news/2022/05/29/hes-got-a-ton-of-experience-the-player-dagg-has-tipped-for-all-blacks/
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Why not wait until after the final?
Foster confirmed he will announce a squad of 36 on Monday, June 13 in Auckland, ahead of the Super Rugby Pacific final.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Why not wait until after the final?
Foster confirmed he will announce a squad of 36 on Monday, June 13 in Auckland, ahead of the Super Rugby Pacific final.
Maybe cos those not in the final will get together earlier?
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Why not wait until after the final?
Foster confirmed he will announce a squad of 36 on Monday, June 13 in Auckland, ahead of the Super Rugby Pacific final.
Maybe cos those not in the final will get together earlier?
@Machpants ditto the Maori ABs who play their first game before the 1st Test.
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Why not wait until after the final?
Foster confirmed he will announce a squad of 36 on Monday, June 13 in Auckland, ahead of the Super Rugby Pacific final.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Why not wait until after the final?
Foster confirmed he will announce a squad of 36 on Monday, June 13 in Auckland, ahead of the Super Rugby Pacific final.
Just in case Bridge breaks a tackle in the final.
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Why not wait until after the final?
Foster confirmed he will announce a squad of 36 on Monday, June 13 in Auckland, ahead of the Super Rugby Pacific final.
Just in case Bridge breaks a tackle in the final.
Your best post in two years.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Why not wait until after the final?
Foster confirmed he will announce a squad of 36 on Monday, June 13 in Auckland, ahead of the Super Rugby Pacific final.
Just in case Bridge breaks a tackle in the final.
Your best post in two years.
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Why not wait until after the final?
Foster confirmed he will announce a squad of 36 on Monday, June 13 in Auckland, ahead of the Super Rugby Pacific final.
Just in case Bridge breaks a tackle in the final.
Your best post
intwo years.FIFY
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A long-term Crusader picks his AB captain:
SENZ Breakfast co-host Israel Dagg has named his personal frontrunner for the All Blacks captaincy role.
Loose forward Sam Cane is the current captain of the national side, however, injuries have marred his time at the helm in recent years, prompting calls for his replacement.
While several players including Ardie Savea and Sam Whitelock have attempted the role, Dagg believes one contender “knows what it takes” to lead the side back to their former glory.
“Look for me, I’d probably go with Beauden Barrett if I’m going to be completely honest,” Dagg said.
“I’ll probably go with him just because he’s got a ton of experience, he’s got so much respect and mana in that team.
“You need someone that’s going to be able to (front up) when questions need to be asked, and he’s obviously a driver within that team so he’s got a big voice anyway.
“He’s the person that’s going to be doing most of the talking … all of the decision making out there and having a real connection with that backline (and through) to that forward pack.
“So if I’m going to pick the captain, mine would be Beauden Barrett going into the July series just because he’s played over 100 Tests, he’s got the mana and respect and he knows what it takes to play at that top level.”
With the July Test series against Ireland fast approaching, it will soon be known whether Cane has retained his position or if someone else has been handed the reins.
sen.com.au/news/2022/05/29/hes-got-a-ton-of-experience-the-player-dagg-has-tipped-for-all-blacks/
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
A long-term Crusader picks his AB captain:
SENZ Breakfast co-host Israel Dagg has named his personal frontrunner for the All Blacks captaincy role.
Loose forward Sam Cane is the current captain of the national side, however, injuries have marred his time at the helm in recent years, prompting calls for his replacement.
While several players including Ardie Savea and Sam Whitelock have attempted the role, Dagg believes one contender “knows what it takes” to lead the side back to their former glory.
“Look for me, I’d probably go with Beauden Barrett if I’m going to be completely honest,” Dagg said.
“I’ll probably go with him just because he’s got a ton of experience, he’s got so much respect and mana in that team.
“You need someone that’s going to be able to (front up) when questions need to be asked, and he’s obviously a driver within that team so he’s got a big voice anyway.
“He’s the person that’s going to be doing most of the talking … all of the decision making out there and having a real connection with that backline (and through) to that forward pack.
“So if I’m going to pick the captain, mine would be Beauden Barrett going into the July series just because he’s played over 100 Tests, he’s got the mana and respect and he knows what it takes to play at that top level.”
With the July Test series against Ireland fast approaching, it will soon be known whether Cane has retained his position or if someone else has been handed the reins.
sen.com.au/news/2022/05/29/hes-got-a-ton-of-experience-the-player-dagg-has-tipped-for-all-blacks/
Just because you've got experience doesn't make you best choice for capt. If Beaudy is going to be the starting 10 I wouldn't put more pressure on him to be capt. We're not short of solid options - Whitelock, Barrett, Retallick, Ardie and even Smith.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
A long-term Crusader picks his AB captain:
SENZ Breakfast co-host Israel Dagg has named his personal frontrunner for the All Blacks captaincy role.
Loose forward Sam Cane is the current captain of the national side, however, injuries have marred his time at the helm in recent years, prompting calls for his replacement.
While several players including Ardie Savea and Sam Whitelock have attempted the role, Dagg believes one contender “knows what it takes” to lead the side back to their former glory.
“Look for me, I’d probably go with Beauden Barrett if I’m going to be completely honest,” Dagg said.
“I’ll probably go with him just because he’s got a ton of experience, he’s got so much respect and mana in that team.
“You need someone that’s going to be able to (front up) when questions need to be asked, and he’s obviously a driver within that team so he’s got a big voice anyway.
“He’s the person that’s going to be doing most of the talking … all of the decision making out there and having a real connection with that backline (and through) to that forward pack.
“So if I’m going to pick the captain, mine would be Beauden Barrett going into the July series just because he’s played over 100 Tests, he’s got the mana and respect and he knows what it takes to play at that top level.”
With the July Test series against Ireland fast approaching, it will soon be known whether Cane has retained his position or if someone else has been handed the reins.
sen.com.au/news/2022/05/29/hes-got-a-ton-of-experience-the-player-dagg-has-tipped-for-all-blacks/
Just because you've got experience doesn't make you best choice for capt. If Beaudy is going to be the starting 10 I wouldn't put more pressure on him to be capt. We're not short of solid options - Whitelock, Barrett, Retallick, Ardie and even Smith.
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks 2022:
We're not short of solid options - Whitelock, Barrett, Retallick, Ardie and even Smith.
- Whitelock - best option right now, provided his age doesn't make him fall off a cliff.
- Barrett - hard to know how the pressure of being captain will affect his game. I think his place is slightly safer than Whitelock.
- Retallick - major question if he can get back to being a safe pick in the team. Seems a bit of a joker, and what experience does he have as Captain?
- Ardie - decision making when he was captain last year was questionable. Did not work the ref' properly. Still the issue of his selection upsetting the loose forward balance, but I would concede he is pretty safe now.
- Smith - position is safe but is his personality right for it? No more toilet incidents and he might have a shot.
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@TheMojoman said in All Blacks 2022:
We're not short of solid options - Whitelock, Barrett, Retallick, Ardie and even Smith.
- Whitelock - best option right now, provided his age doesn't make him fall off a cliff.
- Barrett - hard to know how the pressure of being captain will affect his game. I think his place is slightly safer than Whitelock.
- Retallick - major question if he can get back to being a safe pick in the team. Seems a bit of a joker, and what experience does he have as Captain?
- Ardie - decision making when he was captain last year was questionable. Did not work the ref' properly. Still the issue of his selection upsetting the loose forward balance, but I would concede he is pretty safe now.
- Smith - position is safe but is his personality right for it? No more toilet incidents and he might have a shot.
@Frank none of them are long term options.
For me, the next cab is Dalton, everything about him screams leader, they need to be grooming him to take over from Cane, whenever that may be.
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@TheMojoman said in All Blacks 2022:
We're not short of solid options - Whitelock, Barrett, Retallick, Ardie and even Smith.
- Whitelock - best option right now, provided his age doesn't make him fall off a cliff.
- Barrett - hard to know how the pressure of being captain will affect his game. I think his place is slightly safer than Whitelock.
- Retallick - major question if he can get back to being a safe pick in the team. Seems a bit of a joker, and what experience does he have as Captain?
- Ardie - decision making when he was captain last year was questionable. Did not work the ref' properly. Still the issue of his selection upsetting the loose forward balance, but I would concede he is pretty safe now.
- Smith - position is safe but is his personality right for it? No more toilet incidents and he might have a shot.
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@TheMojoman said in All Blacks 2022:
5. Smith - position is safe but is his personality right for it? No more toilet incidents and he might have a shot.no more?....wasn't it one incident 6 years ago?
since then he's been a in the AB's senior leadership group and captain of his super team, also meets my personal criteria of one of the first names on the team sheet so has to have a decent claim doesn't he?
