All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
A lot of talk on here early in the match about not seeing anything different from the ABs. That talk died off a bit once we started winning. But did anyone see anything different in the end? I didn't but I couldn't watch closely enough
I think the difference was the focus and precision. As @BerniesCorner points out they kept possession and didn't give it away with handling errors or penalties when they were rocking it up the field.
Early days, but it was a big improvement.
Definitely a start but we have seen performances like that before.
I was thinking along the line of changes to attacking or defensive structures etc. Might be too early to tell I suppose, but nothing obvious jumped out at me.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
A lot of talk on here early in the match about not seeing anything different from the ABs. That talk died off a bit once we started winning. But did anyone see anything different in the end? I didn't but I couldn't watch closely enough
I think the difference was the focus and precision. As @BerniesCorner points out they kept possession and didn't give it away with handling errors or penalties when they were rocking it up the field.
Early days, but it was a big improvement.
Definitely a start but we have seen performances like that before.
I was thinking along the line of changes to attacking or defensive structures etc. Might be too early to tell I suppose, but nothing obvious jumped out at me.
Perhaps they are focussed on doing the basics well for extended periods of time? It was certainly needed.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
A lot of talk on here early in the match about not seeing anything different from the ABs. That talk died off a bit once we started winning. But did anyone see anything different in the end? I didn't but I couldn't watch closely enough
I think the difference was the focus and precision. As @BerniesCorner points out they kept possession and didn't give it away with handling errors or penalties when they were rocking it up the field.
Early days, but it was a big improvement.
Definitely a start but we have seen performances like that before.
I was thinking along the line of changes to attacking or defensive structures etc. Might be too early to tell I suppose, but nothing obvious jumped out at me.
Perhaps they are focussed on doing the basics well for extended periods of time? It was certainly needed.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
A lot of talk on here early in the match about not seeing anything different from the ABs. That talk died off a bit once we started winning. But did anyone see anything different in the end? I didn't but I couldn't watch closely enough
I think the difference was the focus and precision. As @BerniesCorner points out they kept possession and didn't give it away with handling errors or penalties when they were rocking it up the field.
Early days, but it was a big improvement.
Definitely a start but we have seen performances like that before.
I was thinking along the line of changes to attacking or defensive structures etc. Might be too early to tell I suppose, but nothing obvious jumped out at me.
Perhaps they are focussed on doing the basics well for extended periods of time? It was certainly needed.
I think QT typified our performance. Nothing flashy, calm and understated, fundamentally solid
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@MiketheSnow you normally talk sense but this is bollocks.
@MadGav said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@MiketheSnow you normally talk sense but this is bollocks.
25:34 real time action, then replays
To my eyes, ABs 12 slid in off his feet with no chance / attempt of gaining possession and knocked the ball in to touch.
My understanding, like in the Luke Cowan Dickie incident last Autumn, is if the ball goes in to touch this way then it's a penalty and YC.
Welcome clarification and/or correction.
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@MadGav said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@MiketheSnow you normally talk sense but this is bollocks.
25:34 real time action, then replays
To my eyes, ABs 12 slid in off his feet with no chance / attempt of gaining possession and knocked the ball in to touch.
My understanding, like in the Luke Cowan Dickie incident last Autumn, is if the ball goes in to touch this way then it's a penalty and YC.
Welcome clarification and/or correction.
@MiketheSnow Geo-blocked in NZ
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I am happy about the win, but from my vantage point (mobile phone at the pub surrounded by AFL supporters) I was a tad concerned at how the Irish appeared to comfortably make ground and it seemed they crossed the AB try line every chance they got. Sure they fluffed their lines and failed to score a couple of times but the Irish will take heart from it.
Also, to gain physical dominace it looked like quite a mental and physical effort from the ABs. We have seen a few games like this over the last couple of years only for the team to not back it up consistently.
A lot of talk on here early in the match about not seeing anything different from the ABs. That talk died off a bit once we started winning. But did anyone see anything different in the end? I didn't but I couldn't watch closely enough
I thought it was a pretty good first test of the year against quality opponents.
Compare how we went to how the Saffa’s went against a weaker opponent and with the advantage of it being at altitude.
So, it’s a very positive start for this season - with a lot of room for improvements
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@MadGav said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@MiketheSnow you normally talk sense but this is bollocks.
25:34 real time action, then replays
To my eyes, ABs 12 slid in off his feet with no chance / attempt of gaining possession and knocked the ball in to touch.
My understanding, like in the Luke Cowan Dickie incident last Autumn, is if the ball goes in to touch this way then it's a penalty and YC.
Welcome clarification and/or correction.
Genuine attempt to secure the ball.
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I am happy about the win, but from my vantage point (mobile phone at the pub surrounded by AFL supporters) I was a tad concerned at how the Irish appeared to comfortably make ground and it seemed they crossed the AB try line every chance they got. Sure they fluffed their lines and failed to score a couple of times but the Irish will take heart from it.
Also, to gain physical dominace it looked like quite a mental and physical effort from the ABs. We have seen a few games like this over the last couple of years only for the team to not back it up consistently.
A lot of talk on here early in the match about not seeing anything different from the ABs. That talk died off a bit once we started winning. But did anyone see anything different in the end? I didn't but I couldn't watch closely enough
@Crazy-Horse I think the most pleasing thing for me was the pressure we put on them which caused some of those errors or held ups or rushed plays.
For me that is a very positive step forward.
Still very much a work in progress around using the front foot ball that was there and also kicking for territory. But I’m willing to take that positive progress.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
I fucking love Ardie Savea.
He was equal top clean breaks and defenders beaten with Reece, second in metres. Also second in tackles made at 17 with 1 miss. He fucking rocks
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
I fucking love Ardie Savea.
He was equal top clean breaks and defenders beaten with Reece, second in metres. Also second in tackles made at 17 with 1 miss. He fucking rocks
People have underrated him over past 4 seasons. Was easily best forward at 2019 World Cup but he ended up coping blame for loss. For me that loss really fell on Read being past due date as well as Whitelock and Retallick failing to fire.
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@booboo but they were over it, or they shouldn't have been there...?
Either way, thought it looked daft with one box all masked up, and the other not.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@booboo but they were over it, or they shouldn't have been there...?
Either way, thought it looked daft with one box all masked up, and the other not.
If you remember, isolation used to be 2 weeks, even 3 in some countries. It was reduced to 7 so the country didn’t grind to a halt. So even with no symptoms you stil can spread it after 7 days, so the coaches are being cautious when stuck in a small box that they won’t spread it to someone else.
I mean Foster must hold a lot of virus in him!
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
How come last year or two we have been underpowered in the forwards playing SA, France, Ireland with the bulk of the forwards the same as today. Taylor, Ofa, SW, BBBR, Sam C, Ardie, ScoBa.
This time they were great. Loved the error free play and ball retention.Sam Whitelock deserves a knighthood
Think we should bring in a next gen prop to give experience Newell, Norris
It’s called sport
Sometimes it’s your night and sometimes it’s not.
Sure I want it to be our night every night, but I’m not 15yo anymore where I think it’s an injustice or some world shattering event when it’s not.
I’ve said it many times I’m convinced the northern hemisphere tour was an aberration given the challenges, very long tour away from home, mental/physical fatigue, being cooped up in hotels in nth hemisphere due to COVID restrictions etc.
I actually think it made the squad stronger, more resilient and it was proven in the disrupted lead up.
I reckon we’ll clean sweep the Irish. We’re at our most vulnerable in the first test of the July series and historically only gotten stronger as combinations improve.
If only the selectors had listened to the collective wisdom of The Fern we wouldn't have had to be subjected to the shit served up by Barret (S) and Savea.
@TheMojoman Was quite telling how many AB's talked (seemingly genuinely) about being back playing live in NZ after the travails of the last two years. I don't think it totally explains the EOYT failures but being in a bubble for 3 months on a long tour can't have been much fun.
Best performance in quite a while and still plenty to work on - which can't be bad.
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so, upon a bit of reflection, nice win.
While i didn't see a lot different from the last two years, it definitely looked like we had a plan
Play nothing in our half, make Ireland play from a long way out
Play fast fast to keep them out of their rhythm.And you know what? it worked. Ireland are no good chasing a game, and in the end, points are the only thing that matters.
The pack seemed to relish the speed, and smashed in to everything. Smith was all energy, and while BB was erratic, he suits that game plan down to the ground, and QT was the perfect outlet.
One big highlight was the defense in the midfield, that's where Ireland make their gains usually, and we snuffed everything out.I am very wary of how well Ireland played in the patches they did get their rhythm going (that first try was ominous, and the two great goal line stands) and i can't wait to see what adjustments both teams make this week.
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Once again Storm in a tea cup, Scott Barrett not citied as I said after it happened nothing in it,You could find many instances of contact in a game and send half the players off.Neck rolls are one of the worst, illegal but let go all the time.
@Chris said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Once again Storm in a tea cup, Scott Barrett not citied as I said after it happened nothing in it,You could find many instances of contact in a game and send half the players off.Neck rolls are one of the worst, illegal but let go all the time.
Watched it again and SB is very lucky the Irish player ducked his head at the last second, otherwise there would have been direct head contact. Someone needs to have a serious word with him, he cannot continue to be so reckless. It's going to cost us in the future.
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on players that i whinged about pre-game
SBarrett very good, but also really dumb. I still think we lacked a bit in the loose from playing a lock there, and would be happy to see SB starting in his usual position. I have never said that before.
That said, he has some dumb fucking moments, and for all the "storm in a teacup" he had two instances i reckon he would want again because even his face knew he had put himself in a dumb spot. And that's without the superman dives over the ruck. Calm the fuck down sonA Savea showed his absolute worth and also illustrated why i don't like him starting at 8 all in the same game. His 2nd half was majestic and he's a fucking menace out wide. That bloke is a point of difference, and i swear him playing the last 30 minutes as an all-energy impact sub makes us a very dangerous proposition.
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@mariner4life agree on both counts.
SB is in good form and I like the physicality he brings, but he's a lock so should play there, and for fuck sakes he is a liability with the cards. The shoulder he put on the Blues player during SR was pure filth and at the time I was comfortable if he didn't make the ABs based on that. The AB coaches really need to sort that part of his game out, as he's cost us before and is going to cost us again.
And Ardie, holy shit would he be a match winner as a super sub. Coming on for 30 odd mins per game and just wrecking havoc would win us a lot of games. And with a world class 8 in Sotutu waiting in the wings, we are really missing a trick not starting him with Ardie on the bench. We have a player that would allow us to use our bench as a genuine weapon and we don't do it, which is frustrating as hell.
Can you imagine as the opposition looking up at the 55min mark and see Ardie and Samisoni coming on fresh and fired up? The bench can be a weapon for us Fozzie, use it!!
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so, upon a bit of reflection, nice win.
While i didn't see a lot different from the last two years, it definitely looked like we had a plan
Play nothing in our half, make Ireland play from a long way out
Play fast fast to keep them out of their rhythm.And you know what? it worked. Ireland are no good chasing a game, and in the end, points are the only thing that matters.
The pack seemed to relish the speed, and smashed in to everything. Smith was all energy, and while BB was erratic, he suits that game plan down to the ground, and QT was the perfect outlet.
One big highlight was the defense in the midfield, that's where Ireland make their gains usually, and we snuffed everything out.I am very wary of how well Ireland played in the patches they did get their rhythm going (that first try was ominous, and the two great goal line stands) and i can't wait to see what adjustments both teams make this week.
@mariner4life it was just nice for our pack to not be bullied, and we were more direct.
Rugby is a fairly simple game if you want it to be, I think sometimes we try to be too cute and over complicate things.
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@mariner4life it was just nice for our pack to not be bullied, and we were more direct.
Rugby is a fairly simple game if you want it to be, I think sometimes we try to be too cute and over complicate things.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@mariner4life it was just nice for our pack to not be bullied, and we were more direct.
Rugby is a fairly simple game if you want it to be, I think sometimes we try to be too cute and over complicate things.
yeah, i feel like every time NZ needs a reset all we do is go out and bash people for a bit.
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@mariner4life it was just nice for our pack to not be bullied, and we were more direct.
Rugby is a fairly simple game if you want it to be, I think sometimes we try to be too cute and over complicate things.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@mariner4life it was just nice for our pack to not be bullied, and we were more direct.
Rugby is a fairly simple game if you want it to be, I think sometimes we try to be too cute and over complicate things.
"Up the guts" then "feed the backs".
Vastly underrated advice from every sideline supporter ever
