Super Rugby 2023
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@Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2023:
With more than 30,000 rugby fans attending the first ever Super Round over the ANZAC weekend, SAZAAR CEO Brendan Morris remained confident they can build on it whilst 'building on the lessons of last year.'
“It is fantastic that based on last year’s success we are heading to Melbourne once again for Super Round," Morris believes.
"The concept of having all the matches at one venue, in one city, over a single weekend is a big attraction for the tournament and is appealing to our fans.30,000 isn't that much for an entire weekend with so many games
Last year? He's already living in 2023?
Was it really a success?https://www.rugby.com.au/news/super-round-to-return-to-melbourne-in-2023-2022915
Just bought my ticket for the Friday night. 3 NZ teams in action including the good guys.
@ACT-Crusader will be there too :clinking_beer_mugs:
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Vaiolini Ekuasi who was in the blues wtg last season has signed with the Rebels. He is a beast of a player but obviously got passed in the development pecking order by Rob Rush. I blame Alama Ieremia for giving him no game time in favour of playing an Aussie at number 8 all season, who was a good player but not a number 8.
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@Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2023:
Aussie preseason results:
Brumbies 35 - 33 Rebels
Waratahs 33 - 32 RedsIf it was a proper season game, the Waratahs would have lost. Nemani Nadolo blatantly spilled the ball over the line in the final minutes but because they didn't have a TMO at the ground, the ref called it from what he thought happened and awarded a try. Cost the Reds $25000 apparently.
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@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:
Gotta love this quote...
It is a gamble because gains in one area can come at the cost of the other, although added size is a safer bet in the modern game because of the amount of stoppage time.
Somebody didn't get the WR press release
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@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:
Gotta love this quote...
It is a gamble because gains in one area can come at the cost of the other, although added size is a safer bet in the modern game because of the amount of stoppage time.
Somebody didn't get the WR press release
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:
Gotta love this quote...
It is a gamble because gains in one area can come at the cost of the other, although added size is a safer bet in the modern game because of the amount of stoppage time.
Somebody didn't get the WR press release
A rule that I actually quite liked from this game was that halfbacks are no longer allowed to come around and annoy their opposites when they are trying to clear/run the ball from scrum time.
Apparently, this is going to be a rule in Super Rugby so I'm happy that the likes of Ardie Savea get to pick up the ball without some pesky little halfback getting in his way.
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@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:
Gotta love this quote...
It is a gamble because gains in one area can come at the cost of the other, although added size is a safer bet in the modern game because of the amount of stoppage time.
Somebody didn't get the WR press release
A rule that I actually quite liked from this game was that halfbacks are no longer allowed to come around and annoy their opposites when they are trying to clear/run the ball from scrum time.
Apparently, this is going to be a rule in Super Rugby so I'm happy that the likes of Ardie Savea get to pick up the ball without some pesky little halfback getting in his way.
@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:
Gotta love this quote...
It is a gamble because gains in one area can come at the cost of the other, although added size is a safer bet in the modern game because of the amount of stoppage time.
Somebody didn't get the WR press release
A rule that I actually quite liked from this game was that halfbacks are no longer allowed to come around and annoy their opposites when they are trying to clear/run the ball from scrum time.
Apparently, this is going to be a rule in Super Rugby so I'm happy that the likes of Ardie Savea get to pick up the ball without some pesky little halfback getting in his way.
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@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:
Gotta love this quote...
It is a gamble because gains in one area can come at the cost of the other, although added size is a safer bet in the modern game because of the amount of stoppage time.
Somebody didn't get the WR press release
A rule that I actually quite liked from this game was that halfbacks are no longer allowed to come around and annoy their opposites when they are trying to clear/run the ball from scrum time.
Apparently, this is going to be a rule in Super Rugby so I'm happy that the likes of Ardie Savea get to pick up the ball without some pesky little halfback getting in his way.
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@Canes4life Haha ironically Perenara was probably one of the best at that too - had great timing.
You can see how the new WR focus has sped up the game a lot in the Six Nations so hopefully it filters through to Super.
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Canes4life Haha ironically Perenara was probably one of the best at that too - had great timing.
You can see how the new WR focus has sped up the game a lot in the Six Nations so hopefully it filters through to Super.
I'm all for it, as a fan seeing clean ball on a more consistent basis has to be a good thing. The only way to put pressure on a halfback/no8 now is to dominate in the scrum - advantage Crusaders in that respect.
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@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Canes4life Haha ironically Perenara was probably one of the best at that too - had great timing.
You can see how the new WR focus has sped up the game a lot in the Six Nations so hopefully it filters through to Super.
I'm all for it, as a fan seeing clean ball on a more consistent basis has to be a good thing. The only way to put pressure on a halfback/no8 now is to dominate in the scrum - advantage Crusaders in that respect.
@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Canes4life Haha ironically Perenara was probably one of the best at that too - had great timing.
You can see how the new WR focus has sped up the game a lot in the Six Nations so hopefully it filters through to Super.
I'm all for it, as a fan seeing clean ball on a more consistent basis has to be a good thing. The only way to put pressure on a halfback/no8 now is to dominate in the scrum - advantage Crusaders in that respect.
Also has the side effect of less scrums becoming another scrum by less pressured fumbles.
Is a big yawn when a slowly set scrum is then disrupted by negative spoiling and we all stop again while the same players re-organise for another set up. -
Although it's another step in taking the contest/skill out of the game!! A halfback is not going to have any pressure , I also think it will lead to more kicking out of hand by 9s, as no pressure on them. If you a fan of that kind of stuff, great, I like when players have to be skilled enough to pass under pressure etc.
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Although it's another step in taking the contest/skill out of the game!! A halfback is not going to have any pressure , I also think it will lead to more kicking out of hand by 9s, as no pressure on them. If you a fan of that kind of stuff, great, I like when players have to be skilled enough to pass under pressure etc.
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
Although it's another step in taking the contest/skill out of the game!! A halfback is not going to have any pressure , I also think it will lead to more kicking out of hand by 9s, as no pressure on them. If you a fan of that kind of stuff, great, I like when players have to be skilled enough to pass under pressure etc.
yep, I'm with you. If i wanted contests taken out of the game then i would watch even more NFL.
I want MORE contest. Take out lifting for kick-offs. Take out lifting in lineouts. Be hard as fuck on attacking players leaving their feet at the ruck. if the ball is available call it out. Messy play is good play. The best moments in the Ireland v France game were from errors.
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Although it's another step in taking the contest/skill out of the game!! A halfback is not going to have any pressure , I also think it will lead to more kicking out of hand by 9s, as no pressure on them. If you a fan of that kind of stuff, great, I like when players have to be skilled enough to pass under pressure etc.
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
Although it's another step in taking the contest/skill out of the game!! A halfback is not going to have any pressure , I also think it will lead to more kicking out of hand by 9s, as no pressure on them. If you a fan of that kind of stuff, great, I like when players have to be skilled enough to pass under pressure etc.
That would be fine if you coupled the play with free kick restarts
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@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:
Gotta love this quote...
It is a gamble because gains in one area can come at the cost of the other, although added size is a safer bet in the modern game because of the amount of stoppage time.
Somebody didn't get the WR press release
A rule that I actually quite liked from this game was that halfbacks are no longer allowed to come around and annoy their opposites when they are trying to clear/run the ball from scrum time.
Apparently, this is going to be a rule in Super Rugby so I'm happy that the likes of Ardie Savea get to pick up the ball without some pesky little halfback getting in his way.
@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2023:
Gotta love this quote...
It is a gamble because gains in one area can come at the cost of the other, although added size is a safer bet in the modern game because of the amount of stoppage time.
Somebody didn't get the WR press release
A rule that I actually quite liked from this game was that halfbacks are no longer allowed to come around and annoy their opposites when they are trying to clear/run the ball from scrum time.
Apparently, this is going to be a rule in Super Rugby so I'm happy that the likes of Ardie Savea get to pick up the ball without some pesky little halfback getting in his way.
It's unnecessary considering scrumhalves can't come around the scrum if you're competent at keeping the ball in the right place - they'll all be offside if they do.
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I reckon we will almost any scrum 10m from touchline, the 9's will be tossing up a kick for blindside winger to chase and compete for, bloody sure they would if I was coach.
As Mariner says, rugby to me is much better played as a chaos game where skills etc have to be played under pressure. One of reasons I don't watch NRL, NFL etc , not enough contest!
I understand what the powers that be are trying to achieve, it's a game that looks good on tv, not sure it's a better game to play or really watch live.. I loved playing when there was no lifting in lineouts, and you know you got up(or stopped opponent) under your own power, same as hammering a 9 that was a bit slow on the pass, and that made everyone work on skills and thinking quicker.
I believe the idea of no pressure on 9 will see the likes of Aaron Smith etc who can pass quickly under pressure won't be treasured, we have already lot 9's that dive pass as not really needed. -
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
Although it's another step in taking the contest/skill out of the game!! A halfback is not going to have any pressure , I also think it will lead to more kicking out of hand by 9s, as no pressure on them. If you a fan of that kind of stuff, great, I like when players have to be skilled enough to pass under pressure etc.
yep, I'm with you. If i wanted contests taken out of the game then i would watch even more NFL.
I want MORE contest. Take out lifting for kick-offs. Take out lifting in lineouts. Be hard as fuck on attacking players leaving their feet at the ruck. if the ball is available call it out. Messy play is good play. The best moments in the Ireland v France game were from errors.
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
Although it's another step in taking the contest/skill out of the game!! A halfback is not going to have any pressure , I also think it will lead to more kicking out of hand by 9s, as no pressure on them. If you a fan of that kind of stuff, great, I like when players have to be skilled enough to pass under pressure etc.
yep, I'm with you. If i wanted contests taken out of the game then i would watch even more NFL.
I want MORE contest. Take out lifting for kick-offs. Take out lifting in lineouts. Be hard as fuck on attacking players leaving their feet at the ruck. if the ball is available call it out. Messy play is good play. The best moments in the Ireland v France game were from errors.
Right now, I'd like to take out anything that allows defences to know that they can bolt up, and although this seems like is helping the attacking team, I wonder whether the un-intentional result will be to allow defences to get even faster.
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
Although it's another step in taking the contest/skill out of the game!! A halfback is not going to have any pressure , I also think it will lead to more kicking out of hand by 9s, as no pressure on them. If you a fan of that kind of stuff, great, I like when players have to be skilled enough to pass under pressure etc.
yep, I'm with you. If i wanted contests taken out of the game then i would watch even more NFL.
I want MORE contest. Take out lifting for kick-offs. Take out lifting in lineouts. Be hard as fuck on attacking players leaving their feet at the ruck. if the ball is available call it out. Messy play is good play. The best moments in the Ireland v France game were from errors.
Right now, I'd like to take out anything that allows defences to know that they can bolt up, and although this seems like is helping the attacking team, I wonder whether the un-intentional result will be to allow defences to get even faster.
@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2023:
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
Although it's another step in taking the contest/skill out of the game!! A halfback is not going to have any pressure , I also think it will lead to more kicking out of hand by 9s, as no pressure on them. If you a fan of that kind of stuff, great, I like when players have to be skilled enough to pass under pressure etc.
yep, I'm with you. If i wanted contests taken out of the game then i would watch even more NFL.
I want MORE contest. Take out lifting for kick-offs. Take out lifting in lineouts. Be hard as fuck on attacking players leaving their feet at the ruck. if the ball is available call it out. Messy play is good play. The best moments in the Ireland v France game were from errors.
Right now, I'd like to take out anything that allows defences to know that they can bolt up, and although this seems like is helping the attacking team, I wonder whether the un-intentional result will be to allow defences to get even faster.
no data to support, pure eye test, but chaos ball tends to put defenses on their heels. Look how often a ball to ground creates a linebreak.
slow ball creates linespeed.
90% guaranteed lineout ball creates linespeed. -
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
Although it's another step in taking the contest/skill out of the game!! A halfback is not going to have any pressure , I also think it will lead to more kicking out of hand by 9s, as no pressure on them. If you a fan of that kind of stuff, great, I like when players have to be skilled enough to pass under pressure etc.
yep, I'm with you. If i wanted contests taken out of the game then i would watch even more NFL.
I want MORE contest. Take out lifting for kick-offs. Take out lifting in lineouts. Be hard as fuck on attacking players leaving their feet at the ruck. if the ball is available call it out. Messy play is good play. The best moments in the Ireland v France game were from errors.
Right now, I'd like to take out anything that allows defences to know that they can bolt up, and although this seems like is helping the attacking team, I wonder whether the un-intentional result will be to allow defences to get even faster.
@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2023:
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Dan54 said in Super Rugby 2023:
Although it's another step in taking the contest/skill out of the game!! A halfback is not going to have any pressure , I also think it will lead to more kicking out of hand by 9s, as no pressure on them. If you a fan of that kind of stuff, great, I like when players have to be skilled enough to pass under pressure etc.
yep, I'm with you. If i wanted contests taken out of the game then i would watch even more NFL.
I want MORE contest. Take out lifting for kick-offs. Take out lifting in lineouts. Be hard as fuck on attacking players leaving their feet at the ruck. if the ball is available call it out. Messy play is good play. The best moments in the Ireland v France game were from errors.
Right now, I'd like to take out anything that allows defences to know that they can bolt up, and although this seems like is helping the attacking team, I wonder whether the un-intentional result will be to allow defences to get even faster.
Well the halfback rule hasn't been adjusted to yet according to this article
I don't entirely get this as the 8 has always had one side to attack. This change only means that they have an extra stride toward the defender.
This rule has also been the case at junior levels for a long time I think and from memory the 'smart' thing to do if you want to reduce options down the blindside is for the defending halfback to swap sides. They can do that if they stay within a metre. But then that is the case normally anyway, it is just that the better option is still to pressure from the openside.
Defenders will need to create a stronger 1st channel which may mean that we see 10s defending elsewhere of setpieces even more
