Foster, Robertson etc
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Another thing ill add which I think hasn't helped is these Japan sabbaticals.
Adds to the temporary feel of the team . Lads fucking off for a year or two, their replacements not knowing if they own the jersey or are keeping it warm. The incumbents coming back underdone and or shadows of their former selves.
If you want to leave and make easy money in Japan, fuck off and don't come back.
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@Tim said in Foster must go:
I'd really like to think it means something. But the cynic in me thinks the comms team are just working on some "holding lines"...
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@canefan the one from last night (was listening to it this morning) I think the first question was about his.coaching.and he said he only wanted to talk about the game (which was fair enough, even if he knew that was all they will want to talk about)
He sounded broken though.
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@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Tim said in Foster must go:
They don't want him to field a flood of questions about quitting
Not while he is negotiating terms of surrender anyway.
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Sounds to me like the lawyers are arguing over the wording of the resignation statement and contract cancellation
@MrDenmore said in Foster must go:
Sounds to me like the lawyers are arguing over the wording of the resignation statement and contract cancellation
Yep. Very plausible.
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@KiwiMurph poor Will he deserves better than fat foster
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@KiwiMurph Good piece.
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That article above was good reading.
I think obviously the current coaching team has to bear some of the blame - there is a lot of talent there and making it all point in the same direction is their fucking job, really. Not like basic skills are lacking.
However, I think in a way Steve Hansen got the golden spot, but was also part of the problem. He was given a very good core of hard-nosed players and just had to make sure things ticked along. IMHO during that time, a form of arrogance entered the AB culture (moreso at the player level, not the management) that was based on the fact that they were winning games simply by scoring more than the opposition.
Sounds obvious, but when your entire game plan is "Beaudy puts in a kick that bounces 40cm from touch then snaps back straight into his hands 5m laterally for him to score" you're going to struggle at some point. When you can recover a deficit simply by scoring a couple of quick tries off individual talent, it masks the defensive issues that may have forced you into that situation.
I equate it to the Wallabies around the turn of the century: when your back line is that fucking good, finding great props in a barely-contested scrum environment isn't a priority.
We can talk all we want about who has the better players, but who has the better team is more important in a team sport. Duh.
"We shouldn't lose to Ireland" is actually problematic thinking.
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That article above was good reading.
I think obviously the current coaching team has to bear some of the blame - there is a lot of talent there and making it all point in the same direction is their fucking job, really. Not like basic skills are lacking.
However, I think in a way Steve Hansen got the golden spot, but was also part of the problem. He was given a very good core of hard-nosed players and just had to make sure things ticked along. IMHO during that time, a form of arrogance entered the AB culture (moreso at the player level, not the management) that was based on the fact that they were winning games simply by scoring more than the opposition.
Sounds obvious, but when your entire game plan is "Beaudy puts in a kick that bounces 40cm from touch then snaps back straight into his hands 5m laterally for him to score" you're going to struggle at some point. When you can recover a deficit simply by scoring a couple of quick tries off individual talent, it masks the defensive issues that may have forced you into that situation.
I equate it to the Wallabies around the turn of the century: when your back line is that fucking good, finding great props in a barely-contested scrum environment isn't a priority.
We can talk all we want about who has the better players, but who has the better team is more important in a team sport. Duh.
"We shouldn't lose to Ireland" is actually problematic thinking.
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That article above was good reading.
I think obviously the current coaching team has to bear some of the blame - there is a lot of talent there and making it all point in the same direction is their fucking job, really. Not like basic skills are lacking.
However, I think in a way Steve Hansen got the golden spot, but was also part of the problem. He was given a very good core of hard-nosed players and just had to make sure things ticked along. IMHO during that time, a form of arrogance entered the AB culture (moreso at the player level, not the management) that was based on the fact that they were winning games simply by scoring more than the opposition.
Sounds obvious, but when your entire game plan is "Beaudy puts in a kick that bounces 40cm from touch then snaps back straight into his hands 5m laterally for him to score" you're going to struggle at some point. When you can recover a deficit simply by scoring a couple of quick tries off individual talent, it masks the defensive issues that may have forced you into that situation.
I equate it to the Wallabies around the turn of the century: when your back line is that fucking good, finding great props in a barely-contested scrum environment isn't a priority.
We can talk all we want about who has the better players, but who has the better team is more important in a team sport. Duh.
"We shouldn't lose to Ireland" is actually problematic thinking.
@NTA said in Foster must go:
"We shouldn't ose to Ireland" is actually problematic thinking.
Rught now we are looking for ways not to lose, rather than how can we win.
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@NTA said in Foster must go:
"We shouldn't ose to Ireland" is actually problematic thinking.
Rught now we are looking for ways not to lose, rather than how can we win.
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@NTA said in Foster must go:
"We shouldn't ose to Ireland" is actually problematic thinking.
Rught now we are looking for ways not to lose, rather than how can we win.
I think it is a scale of extremes, formed by the rugby culture from top to bottom when it comes to the ABs:
Winning is expected. Winning is usually fairly easy - particularly the decade after RWC2007 when the line was drawn in the sand.
As a result, any loss is met by denial ("you weren't better, we just played shit") or excuses (e.g. Barret's red card in Perth), and an almost childish urge to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
There isn't much room in the middle for rational thought. Just my observation.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@NTA said in Foster must go:
"We shouldn't ose to Ireland" is actually problematic thinking.
Rught now we are looking for ways not to lose, rather than how can we win.
I think it is a scale of extremes, formed by the rugby culture from top to bottom when it comes to the ABs:
Winning is expected. Winning is usually fairly easy - particularly the decade after RWC2007 when the line was drawn in the sand.
As a result, any loss is met by denial ("you weren't better, we just played shit") or excuses (e.g. Barret's red card in Perth), and an almost childish urge to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
There isn't much room in the middle for rational thought. Just my observation.
@NTA Partially right in your observations but we at least can now acknowledge and (almost) accept when we get beaten by better teams on the day eg England tonking the ABs in the last World Cup. What sticks in the craw more than anything is the continual usage of gameplans that have been proven not to work. In times past if things weren't working you had astute rugby brains (Graham Mourie just as one example) on the field that could see that and changed things accordingly. Nowadays Captains seem to rely solely on the instructions coming down via radio from the coaches box and conveyed by the water runners.
Surely players on the field have better "feeling" on how opposition players and tactics are working and can sense minute things like marginal dropping off in speed levels of players as they every so slightly tire much better than the bank of computers that coaches seem to place 100% faith in can ever do. Ditto for members of their own team. -
I wonder if we will see any players come out in support of Foster over the next few days/weeks?
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/471085/rugby-when-you-accept-mediocrity-this-is-what-happens
Shit that's a great article.
Reminds me when I lived in Oslo and the public transport system was a sick joke. There were continual delays and cancellations (which was no fun when it's minus farking 10) and shitty antiquated equipment. Rarely a day went by without some epic fuckup. Yet Norwegians being a passive bunch just accepted it and philosophically said they'd just wait for the next one and those responsible deflected or chided the people complaining because there were other countries that had much worse problems. And that of course was the reason things were so shitty. Zero standards, zero expectations and zero accountability. Eventually things got so bad that they had to do something and it appears they now have their shit together. Hopefully NZ does the same but if my Norwegian experiences are anything to go by things will have to hit absolutely rock bottom before these arrogant cnuts pull their fingers out.
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Quote from Mark Robinson today from NZ Herald article
“Our focus now is to work with Ian and his team to understand thoroughly in advance of the Rugby Championship what is needed to improve performance and where to from here. We will begin this work immediately."
From that It seems we are stuck with Foster for the Rugby championship at least.
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Quote from Mark Robinson today from NZ Herald article
“Our focus now is to work with Ian and his team to understand thoroughly in advance of the Rugby Championship what is needed to improve performance and where to from here. We will begin this work immediately."
From that It seems we are stuck with Foster for the Rugby championship at least.
@Chris said in Foster must go:
Quote from Mark Robinson today from NZ Herald article
“Our focus now is to work with Ian and his team to understand thoroughly in advance of the Rugby Championship what is needed to improve performance and where to from here. We will begin this work immediately."
From that It seems we are stuck with Foster for the Rugby championship at least.
Robinson can bugger off too
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Quote from Mark Robinson today from NZ Herald article
“Our focus now is to work with Ian and his team to understand thoroughly in advance of the Rugby Championship what is needed to improve performance and where to from here. We will begin this work immediately."
From that It seems we are stuck with Foster for the Rugby championship at least.
@Chris said in Foster must go:
Quote from Mark Robinson today from NZ Herald article
“Our focus now is to work with Ian and his team to understand thoroughly in advance of the Rugby Championship what is needed to improve performance and where to from here. We will begin this work immediately."
From that It seems we are stuck with Foster for the Rugby championship at least.
That's not how I read that at all. It sounds very much like an immediate and urgent performance review.
That's exactly what is required and it may end up with change or it may not (I think it will).
I know everyone would have been happy with some gallows being wheeled out in the stadium but I think Kieran Read was a sane voice in all the noise last night.
