Foster, Robertson etc
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Quote from Mark Robinson today from NZ Herald article
“Our focus now is to work with Ian and his team to understand thoroughly in advance of the Rugby Championship what is needed to improve performance and where to from here. We will begin this work immediately."
From that It seems we are stuck with Foster for the Rugby championship at least.
@Chris TRC is too late, if they are gonna make a move it must be now, let the new.coach step in and select his squad for TRC and have a chance to build toward the RWC.
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@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Damo said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@Chris said in Foster must go:
Quote from Mark Robinson today from NZ Herald article
“Our focus now is to work with Ian and his team to understand thoroughly in advance of the Rugby Championship what is needed to improve performance and where to from here. We will begin this work immediately."
From that It seems we are stuck with Foster for the Rugby championship at least.
That's not how I read that at all. It sounds very much like an immediate and urgent performance review.
That's exactly what is required and it may end up with change or it may not (I think it will).
I know everyone would have been happy with some gallows being wheeled out in the stadium but I think Kieran Read was a sane voice in all the noise last night.
If Foster won't resign then NZR need to go through a fair process to remove him. They can't be seen to beginning with the outcome prior to the review taking place.
In other words. Whether they want to sack him or keep him they'd say the same thing.
I wonder if his contract is governed by NZ employment law? I assume so. He can't be fired if so. Better hope he walks or start a rigorous retraining process....
I don't know what is in his contract but I strongly suspect there would be some performance standards and ability to remove him if the standards aren't met. Probably written in vague terms, hence the review needed.
If not, they can simply sack him and pay out his contract. Be expensive but less expensive than continuing to destroy the brand.
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@Damo well you have hoped winning this series was a major KPI....
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Damo well you have hoped winning this series was a major KPI....
Unlikely given Robinson's statement of 'unacceptable' prior to a formal review.
My guess is that the contact termination wording is broad and talks about 'performance and other factors that may result in an agreed termination of contract' or even just the second part.
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@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
If he is resigning or being sacked, it would be true to form that Foster and Robinson still make a meal out of that "process" too...
Are the words "Full Support Of The Board" marching toward this thread with unseemly speed?
@NTA said in Foster must go:
@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
If he is resigning or being sacked, it would be true to form that Foster and Robinson still make a meal out of that "process" too...
Are the words "Full Support Of The Board" marching toward this thread with unseemly speed?
He should won the Oscar for this performance. That annoys me as much as Foster.
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@Tim said in Foster must go:
Utter cowardice that he wouldn’t face even our tame journos. This has been a twenty year tradition, another thing that Foster the fat fluffybunny has shat on
@Machpants from the article it was canceled at the last minute and not his decision. He said he wasn't sure why it wasn't going ahead when they asked him.
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@NTA said in Foster must go:
@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
If he is resigning or being sacked, it would be true to form that Foster and Robinson still make a meal out of that "process" too...
Are the words "Full Support Of The Board" marching toward this thread with unseemly speed?
He should won the Oscar for this performance. That annoys me as much as Foster.
@Frank said in Foster must go:
@NTA said in Foster must go:
@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
If he is resigning or being sacked, it would be true to form that Foster and Robinson still make a meal out of that "process" too...
Are the words "Full Support Of The Board" marching toward this thread with unseemly speed?
He should won the Oscar for this performance. That annoys me as much as Foster.
Too much over the top method acting
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I cannot see a scenario of Foster staying but various assistants being given the boot because who in their right mind would want to work under Foster currently? You think they were short-staffed finding assistants last time, that'll be nothing compared to now.
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@Frank said in Foster must go:
@NTA said in Foster must go:
@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
If he is resigning or being sacked, it would be true to form that Foster and Robinson still make a meal out of that "process" too...
Are the words "Full Support Of The Board" marching toward this thread with unseemly speed?
He should won the Oscar for this performance. That annoys me as much as Foster.
Too much over the top method acting
@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@Frank said in Foster must go:
@NTA said in Foster must go:
@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
If he is resigning or being sacked, it would be true to form that Foster and Robinson still make a meal out of that "process" too...
Are the words "Full Support Of The Board" marching toward this thread with unseemly speed?
He should won the Oscar for this performance. That annoys me as much as Foster.
Too much over the top method acting
Fuck off.
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And if he doesn't go... how many people are honestly looking forward to tuning into the next Test?
@Donsteppa said in Will Foster go?:
And if he doesn't go... how many people are honestly looking forward to tuning into the next Test?
I'm not spending $120 to watch the Argentinean test in Hamilton, the first time I won't be going to a local test when in NZ. My attendance was contingent on the performance in Wellington, so the ABs made that decision for me.
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@Machpants from the article it was canceled at the last minute and not his decision. He said he wasn't sure why it wasn't going ahead when they asked him.
@Biorealism said in Foster must go:
@Machpants from the article it was canceled at the last minute and not his decision. He said he wasn't sure why it wasn't going ahead when they asked him.
Just because he said that, it doesn't mean that it is true. "I don't know" might sound a bit better than "I have a urgent performance review to prepare for" or "I need to reconsider my future" or "I want to avoid the media to get my head straight"
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@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@Frank said in Foster must go:
@NTA said in Foster must go:
@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
If he is resigning or being sacked, it would be true to form that Foster and Robinson still make a meal out of that "process" too...
Are the words "Full Support Of The Board" marching toward this thread with unseemly speed?
He should won the Oscar for this performance. That annoys me as much as Foster.
Too much over the top method acting
Fuck off.
@Frank said in Foster must go:
@MN5 said in Foster must go:
@Frank said in Foster must go:
@NTA said in Foster must go:
@Donsteppa said in Foster must go:
If he is resigning or being sacked, it would be true to form that Foster and Robinson still make a meal out of that "process" too...
Are the words "Full Support Of The Board" marching toward this thread with unseemly speed?
He should won the Oscar for this performance. That annoys me as much as Foster.
Too much over the top method acting
Fuck off.
That’s probably what DDL would say too. He’s always very committed to any role he takes on.
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Quote from Mark Robinson today from NZ Herald article
“Our focus now is to work with Ian and his team to understand thoroughly in advance of the Rugby Championship what is needed to improve performance and where to from here. We will begin this work immediately."
From that It seems we are stuck with Foster for the Rugby championship at least.
@Chris said in Foster must go:
Quote from Mark Robinson today from NZ Herald article
“Our focus now is to work with Ian and his team to understand thoroughly in advance of the Rugby Championship what is needed to improve performance and where to from here. We will begin this work immediately."
From that It seems we are stuck with Foster for the Rugby championship at least.
Short of saying the board has full confidence in the manager this is exactly what is usually said about four days before the manager "resigns" or has their contract terminated. English football is often a good example of this.
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@Chris said in Foster must go:
Quote from Mark Robinson today from NZ Herald article
“Our focus now is to work with Ian and his team to understand thoroughly in advance of the Rugby Championship what is needed to improve performance and where to from here. We will begin this work immediately."
From that It seems we are stuck with Foster for the Rugby championship at least.
Short of saying the board has full confidence in the manager this is exactly what is usually said about four days before the manager "resigns" or has their contract terminated. English football is often a good example of this.
@Higgins said in Foster must go:
@Chris said in Foster must go:
Quote from Mark Robinson today from NZ Herald article
“Our focus now is to work with Ian and his team to understand thoroughly in advance of the Rugby Championship what is needed to improve performance and where to from here. We will begin this work immediately."
From that It seems we are stuck with Foster for the Rugby championship at least.
Short of saying the board has full confidence in the manager this is exactly what is usually said about four days before the manager "resigns" or has their contract terminated. English football is often a good example of this.
I hope that’s a pointer to that happening then,
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Damo well you have hoped winning this series was a major KPI....
Unlikely given Robinson's statement of 'unacceptable' prior to a formal review.
My guess is that the contact termination wording is broad and talks about 'performance and other factors that may result in an agreed termination of contract' or even just the second part.
@Crucial would seem ridiculous that his role wouldn't include KPIs around winning...unless in thier arrogance prior to TRC last year, they thought 'it's only Ireland'
Everything about his role is geared to winning first, and then development, he has failed at the 1st one, I'd say all depends on how you view.development as to if he meets that one...if on new players making the step up, he probably gets a pass mark, if you include the likes of innovation in the development of NZ rugby aspect, he fails again...
Makes you wonder what he has to fall back on of he walks (pushed) as coaching surely ain't gonna be an option for the foreseeable future?
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@Crucial would seem ridiculous that his role wouldn't include KPIs around winning...unless in thier arrogance prior to TRC last year, they thought 'it's only Ireland'
Everything about his role is geared to winning first, and then development, he has failed at the 1st one, I'd say all depends on how you view.development as to if he meets that one...if on new players making the step up, he probably gets a pass mark, if you include the likes of innovation in the development of NZ rugby aspect, he fails again...
Makes you wonder what he has to fall back on of he walks (pushed) as coaching surely ain't gonna be an option for the foreseeable future?
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Crucial would seem ridiculous that his role wouldn't include KPIs around winning...unless in thier arrogance prior to TRC last year, they thought 'it's only Ireland'
Everything about his role is geared to winning first, and then development, he has failed at the 1st one, I'd say all depends on how you view.development as to if he meets that one...if on new players making the step up, he probably gets a pass mark, if you include the likes of innovation in the development of NZ rugby aspect, he fails again...
Makes you wonder what he has to fall back on of he walks (pushed) as coaching surely ain't gonna be an option for the foreseeable future?
If Hammett can get another gig, I'm sure Fozz can
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Crucial would seem ridiculous that his role wouldn't include KPIs around winning...unless in thier arrogance prior to TRC last year, they thought 'it's only Ireland'
Everything about his role is geared to winning first, and then development, he has failed at the 1st one, I'd say all depends on how you view.development as to if he meets that one...if on new players making the step up, he probably gets a pass mark, if you include the likes of innovation in the development of NZ rugby aspect, he fails again...
Makes you wonder what he has to fall back on of he walks (pushed) as coaching surely ain't gonna be an option for the foreseeable future?
If Hammett can get another gig, I'm sure Fozz can
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster must go:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/471085/rugby-when-you-accept-mediocrity-this-is-what-happens
“There is a certain type of New Zealander on social media. Chances are they are commenting on this very story right now, probably making spelling errors and thinking that they represent a modern, common sense attitude towards the All Blacks and rugby in general. Chances are they haven't and won't actually read this either.”
I think he’s talking about old mate @Dan54 here
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@Stargazer said in Foster must go:
@canefan Coaching a 1st XV team in Waikato?
There's a well known pie shop in Te Awamutu....
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From the perspective of someone who works in corporate communications, the announcement of a ‘full inquiry’ is a classic playing-for-time device while lawyers negotiate a contract exit. My bet is that he’s gone but it’s the manner of his going that is being discussed.
