Foster, Robertson etc
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Announcement 5.30pm: NZR 'We have been useless and the board are resigning'
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https://twitter.com/martindevlinnz/status/1558660634442534913?t=Pi4nLRnutYtMQEy7E8M5dA&s=19
Devlin is a troll.
No way anyone would believe that Foster is stepping down. He’s been saying the opposite for weeks and even said after the game he has no idea. Also if NZR have someone in place they have done so behind his back which is constructive dismissal
NZR can’t pretend otherwise. If he’s gone they have to be honest and say it is because of a body of work. -
What really fůcks me off is these comments about how we should relax now and stop bleating and how Ireland and RSA are really good and there's no shame in losing to them etc. Ffs, it's those expectations and standards that are the reason the ABs are such a marquee brand. Take that away and we're just Wales in black (no offence meant).
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
What really fůcks me off is these comments about how we should relax now and stop bleating and how Ireland and RSA are really good and there's no shame in losing to them etc. Ffs, it's those expectations and standards that are the reason the ABs are such a marquee brand. Take that away and we're just Wales in black (no offence meant).
Somewhere Mike the Snow
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@trooa I've had a look at the ABs YouTube channel and there isn't a placeholder for it streaming there - it still might pop up at 5.30pm but I suspect Stuff and the Herald sites would be the best places to check. Not sure if Sky will show it.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
What really fůcks me off is these comments about how we should relax now and stop bleating and how Ireland and RSA are really good and there's no shame in losing to them etc. Ffs, it's those expectations and standards that are the reason the ABs are such a marquee brand. Take that away and we're just Wales in black (no offence meant).
Somewhere Mike the Snow
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Foster:
What really fůcks me off is these comments about how we should relax now and stop bleating and how Ireland and RSA are really good and there's no shame in losing to them etc. Ffs, it's those expectations and standards that are the reason the ABs are such a marquee brand. Take that away and we're just Wales in black (no offence meant).
Somewhere Mike the Snow
Wales are shit. Any team ranked behind Scotland should be fucken embarrassed.
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https://twitter.com/martindevlinnz/status/1558660634442534913?t=Pi4nLRnutYtMQEy7E8M5dA&s=19
Devlin is a troll.
No way anyone would believe that Foster is stepping down. He’s been saying the opposite for weeks and even said after the game he has no idea. Also if NZR have someone in place they have done so behind his back which is constructive dismissal
NZR can’t pretend otherwise. If he’s gone they have to be honest and say it is because of a body of work.https://twitter.com/martindevlinnz/status/1558660634442534913?t=Pi4nLRnutYtMQEy7E8M5dA&s=19
Devlin is a troll.
No way anyone would believe that Foster is stepping down. He’s been saying the opposite for weeks and even said after the game he has no idea. Also if NZR have someone in place they have done so behind his back which is constructive dismissal
NZR can’t pretend otherwise. If he’s gone they have to be honest and say it is because of a body of work.Is Foster an employee of the NZRU? I don’t know exactly how the NZRU structure their engagements of the head coach, but I would’ve thought for tax purposes the head coach would be a ‘contractor’. If that’s the case then constructive dismissal would not apply.
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https://twitter.com/martindevlinnz/status/1558660634442534913?t=Pi4nLRnutYtMQEy7E8M5dA&s=19
Devlin is a troll.
No way anyone would believe that Foster is stepping down. He’s been saying the opposite for weeks and even said after the game he has no idea. Also if NZR have someone in place they have done so behind his back which is constructive dismissal
NZR can’t pretend otherwise. If he’s gone they have to be honest and say it is because of a body of work.Is Foster an employee of the NZRU? I don’t know exactly how the NZRU structure their engagements of the head coach, but I would’ve thought for tax purposes the head coach would be a ‘contractor’. If that’s the case then constructive dismissal would not apply.
@ACT-Crusader that's a good question - I can't recall hearing details on how the employment structure is set up... but they are on fixed term contracts so that's something.
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@ACT-Crusader that's a good question - I can't recall hearing details on how the employment structure is set up... but they are on fixed term contracts so that's something.
@Paekakboyz said in Foster:
@ACT-Crusader that's a good question - I can't recall hearing details on how the employment structure is set up... but they are on fixed term contracts so that's something.
We need a Wellingtonian on 6 figures to tell us how it all works….
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https://twitter.com/martindevlinnz/status/1558660634442534913?t=Pi4nLRnutYtMQEy7E8M5dA&s=19
Devlin is a troll.
No way anyone would believe that Foster is stepping down. He’s been saying the opposite for weeks and even said after the game he has no idea. Also if NZR have someone in place they have done so behind his back which is constructive dismissal
NZR can’t pretend otherwise. If he’s gone they have to be honest and say it is because of a body of work.Is Foster an employee of the NZRU? I don’t know exactly how the NZRU structure their engagements of the head coach, but I would’ve thought for tax purposes the head coach would be a ‘contractor’. If that’s the case then constructive dismissal would not apply.
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:
https://twitter.com/martindevlinnz/status/1558660634442534913?t=Pi4nLRnutYtMQEy7E8M5dA&s=19
Devlin is a troll.
No way anyone would believe that Foster is stepping down. He’s been saying the opposite for weeks and even said after the game he has no idea. Also if NZR have someone in place they have done so behind his back which is constructive dismissal
NZR can’t pretend otherwise. If he’s gone they have to be honest and say it is because of a body of work.Is Foster an employee of the NZRU? I don’t know exactly how the NZRU structure their engagements of the head coach, but I would’ve thought for tax purposes the head coach would be a ‘contractor’. If that’s the case then constructive dismissal would not apply.
Someone earlier suggested he was an independent contractor. Not sure.
Doesn't much matter in this case though. If Foster is ousted there will be a confidential settlement, probably a bit less rhan what the contract would have paid.
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@Paekakboyz said in Foster:
@ACT-Crusader that's a good question - I can't recall hearing details on how the employment structure is set up... but they are on fixed term contracts so that's something.
We need a Wellingtonian on 6 figures to tell us how it all works….
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:
@Paekakboyz said in Foster:
@ACT-Crusader that's a good question - I can't recall hearing details on how the employment structure is set up... but they are on fixed term contracts so that's something.
We need a Wellingtonian on 6 figures to tell us how it all works….
Would need to be 7 figures now. 6 figures is so average.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Foster:
https://twitter.com/martindevlinnz/status/1558660634442534913?t=Pi4nLRnutYtMQEy7E8M5dA&s=19
Devlin is a troll.
No way anyone would believe that Foster is stepping down. He’s been saying the opposite for weeks and even said after the game he has no idea. Also if NZR have someone in place they have done so behind his back which is constructive dismissal
NZR can’t pretend otherwise. If he’s gone they have to be honest and say it is because of a body of work.Is Foster an employee of the NZRU? I don’t know exactly how the NZRU structure their engagements of the head coach, but I would’ve thought for tax purposes the head coach would be a ‘contractor’. If that’s the case then constructive dismissal would not apply.
Someone earlier suggested he was an independent contractor. Not sure.
Doesn't much matter in this case though. If Foster is ousted there will be a confidential settlement, probably a bit less rhan what the contract would have paid.
@Damo yeah I would’ve thought so.
I still think that it’s highly improbable that Foster is gone, unless there is a “taken it’s toll” side to it
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It's taken 3-4 years for the AB forwards to be properly organized. That's why we won. WTF NZR
Hard decisions need to be made nowAgreed.
What this showed is that all is not lost even though we have been poorly managed for 3 years.
1 win out of absolute desperation/ embarrassment does not make up for the poor development of the last 3 years. We are still only at a 40% win rate this year.
Give this squad the best opportunity to win a RWC and that means being in the best coaching team we have.
Foster has proven for years that he cannot manage a team to deliver consistent results.
Time to go.
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@MN5 and he's saying they are going to review things then say something next week. So it's turned out to be a total nothing burger. Foster hangs on by the thinnest of margins it seems.
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"An incredible performance and result from the ABs in an incredibly hostile stadium - we're delighted for the team and management after the last few weeks of adversity," says Robinson.
"We're proud of them, it was really a critical moment in the development of this team."
"The main priority is to get everyone home. Then we take stock, meet with management as soon as we can, and debrief how the tour went."
"We'll be making no further comment until that time which will likely be the middle or latter of the week coming up"
"We've been having conversations right through this time with Foz. We believe we know where we stand, just have to work that through with him."
“There's a huge amount of passion and speculation, we appreciate that, we need time to work that through.”
“Serious conversations with players are private and we don't comment on them,” says Robinson. “We'll take stock, we'll comment later in the week.”
Robinson confirms that any discussions on Ian Foster's future will include the New Zealand Rugby board. The timing on those discussions is still yet to be determined.
“The appointment of the coach is the board's responsibility, management provides insight, we will provide that to them.”
Robinson does not wish to comment on Scott Robertson's reported 'stand by' status and the potential of Robertson taking over the All Blacks.
"We've not got that far advanced," says Robinson on whether he has a recommendation to take to the board. He'll discuss that over the next few days.
"They've been through an awful lot. To win under such adversity, was really pleasing. Any aspect of that performance is considered going into this week's discussions," says Robinson.
“We're trying our best to keep people informed the best we can. The reality is that there's only so much we can say right now.”
“We're wrapping huge amounts of support around our people at this time. We understand, especially with …. social media, we do need to support our people.”
Robinson confirms there are no plans to bring in any outside advisors.
Robinson stressing that New Zealand Rugby do not wish to make any formal decisions while the team are away from home and family.
“I'm really pleased for Ian, really pleased he can reflect and enjoy a result like that with his team around him.”
“We've supported the coach throughout and that support remains. We just need to understand what the next steps are with this management team.”
“It's not about one individual, we're looking right across the performance environment,” Robinson says about the discussions that will be taking place next week.
"Ultimately it will be the board's decision."
Robinson doesn’t believe there's any disconnect between New Zealand Rugby headquarters and the team.
“We have really good dialogue, we're working really hard together to make sure the team has everything it needs to be successful. We only want the best for them and that's what we're working towards right now.”
“We could have handled things differently across the board following the Irish result. We want to be open and transparent, that's why we're here today,” says Robinson, referring to the cancelled press conference after the third test defeat.And that is all we have today from Mark Robinson.
The key point - New Zealand Rugby will not make a decision about Ian Foster's future as All Blacks coach until the team get home next week.
At that stage, there will be discussions with the management team before insight will be provided to the NZ Rugby board who will make the final decision.: -
No further comment till that time. FFS what a waste of time.
edit - Then he throws it to the board.
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"An incredible performance and result from the ABs in an incredibly hostile stadium - we're delighted for the team and management after the last few weeks of adversity," says Robinson.
"We're proud of them, it was really a critical moment in the development of this team."
"The main priority is to get everyone home. Then we take stock, meet with management as soon as we can, and debrief how the tour went."
"We'll be making no further comment until that time which will likely be the middle or latter of the week coming up"
"We've been having conversations right through this time with Foz. We believe we know where we stand, just have to work that through with him."
“There's a huge amount of passion and speculation, we appreciate that, we need time to work that through.”
“Serious conversations with players are private and we don't comment on them,” says Robinson. “We'll take stock, we'll comment later in the week.”
Robinson confirms that any discussions on Ian Foster's future will include the New Zealand Rugby board. The timing on those discussions is still yet to be determined.
“The appointment of the coach is the board's responsibility, management provides insight, we will provide that to them.”
Robinson does not wish to comment on Scott Robertson's reported 'stand by' status and the potential of Robertson taking over the All Blacks.
"We've not got that far advanced," says Robinson on whether he has a recommendation to take to the board. He'll discuss that over the next few days.
"They've been through an awful lot. To win under such adversity, was really pleasing. Any aspect of that performance is considered going into this week's discussions," says Robinson.
“We're trying our best to keep people informed the best we can. The reality is that there's only so much we can say right now.”
“We're wrapping huge amounts of support around our people at this time. We understand, especially with …. social media, we do need to support our people.”
Robinson confirms there are no plans to bring in any outside advisors.
Robinson stressing that New Zealand Rugby do not wish to make any formal decisions while the team are away from home and family.
“I'm really pleased for Ian, really pleased he can reflect and enjoy a result like that with his team around him.”
“We've supported the coach throughout and that support remains. We just need to understand what the next steps are with this management team.”
“It's not about one individual, we're looking right across the performance environment,” Robinson says about the discussions that will be taking place next week.
"Ultimately it will be the board's decision."
Robinson doesn’t believe there's any disconnect between New Zealand Rugby headquarters and the team.
“We have really good dialogue, we're working really hard together to make sure the team has everything it needs to be successful. We only want the best for them and that's what we're working towards right now.”
“We could have handled things differently across the board following the Irish result. We want to be open and transparent, that's why we're here today,” says Robinson, referring to the cancelled press conference after the third test defeat.And that is all we have today from Mark Robinson.
The key point - New Zealand Rugby will not make a decision about Ian Foster's future as All Blacks coach until the team get home next week.
At that stage, there will be discussions with the management team before insight will be provided to the NZ Rugby board who will make the final decision.: -
@Donsteppa said in Foster:
"The main priority is to get everyone home."
Sounds like they are evacuating them from Afghanistan.
