Foster, Robertson etc
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@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go:
@Unite said in Foster must go:
So 6pm in NZ and still nothing from NZR?
Not sure what you are expecting, unless they’ve changed team naming’s to Monday and no one told us.
When’s the RC squad named?
If it’s about the future of the coach, I’m certainly not expecting anything new today. In terms of media cycle today is the ‘wash up from the game’ day.
I just thought there might be some form of update, even a basic press please stating the review was ongoing.
@Unite said in Foster must go:
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go:
@Unite said in Foster must go:
So 6pm in NZ and still nothing from NZR?
Not sure what you are expecting, unless they’ve changed team naming’s to Monday and no one told us.
When’s the RC squad named?
If it’s about the future of the coach, I’m certainly not expecting anything new today. In terms of media cycle today is the ‘wash up from the game’ day.
I just thought there might be some form of update, even a basic press please stating the review was ongoing.
I’d suspect they wouldn’t want to have that as a stand alone news item right now, so nothing is better than something (in their eyes that is)
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If Razor doesn’t want to take this on I find that totally understandable.
This is not a situation for how he works and gets results. He plans. He surrounds himself with the right assistants for those plans and then works at executing the plans over a period of time.
He may know that the assistants he wants are locked in elsewhere but more importantly knows that he isn’t a fire and brimstone coach that is going to make instant changes -
@Bovidae said in Foster must go:
@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
What is he waiting for? Sure the circumstances aren't ideal. But surely he would back himself?
It appears not. They said that Robertson wants the full 4 years before a RWC.
Understandable in principle, but if it's the role you want you take it when you can get it.
If they give the role to Schmidt, I'd expect him to ask for more than 13 months. This could get very interesting.
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
@Bovidae said in Foster must go:
@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
What is he waiting for? Sure the circumstances aren't ideal. But surely he would back himself?
It appears not. They said that Robertson wants the full 4 years before a RWC.
Understandable in principle, but if it's the role you want you take it when you can get it.
Absolutely agree. NZR could offer a long-term contract until 2027, so RWC 2023 is a free run.
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@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
If that’s true, Schmidt should ask for a 3 year appointment
@Duluth said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
If that’s true, Schmidt should ask for a 3 year appointment
I'd go to RWC 2023 with a review at the end of '22. Gives him a chance to turn things around and NZR & him to tweak things as needed so we do as well as we can at the RWC.
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@gt12 said in Foster must go:
@Bovidae said in Foster must go:
@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
What is he waiting for? Sure the circumstances aren't ideal. But surely he would back himself?
It appears not. They said that Robertson wants the full 4 years before a RWC.
Understandable in principle, but if it's the role you want you take it when you can get it.
Absolutely agree. NZR could offer a long-term contract until 2027, so RWC 2023 is a free run.
@Bovidae said in Foster must go:
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
@Bovidae said in Foster must go:
@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
What is he waiting for? Sure the circumstances aren't ideal. But surely he would back himself?
It appears not. They said that Robertson wants the full 4 years before a RWC.
Understandable in principle, but if it's the role you want you take it when you can get it.
Absolutely agree. NZR could offer a long-term contract until 2027, so RWC 2023 is a free run.
It could be that Razor is negotiating that right now - hence the 'reluctant'.
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Sheesh fellas I wouldn’t be reading anything into this reporting.
This is classic scattergun stuff by media outlets. There’s absolutely no risk for them in speculating on all sorts of things right now because the journos will have read the comments sections on yesterday and todays articles. Scanned online forums and know that fans and the rugby community are wanting this stuff.
I have respect for anyone that wants to pursue a career in journalism, but their methods at this point of the news cycle when there is no news, is not that sophisticated. For example the “sources” about the termination could be another journo who has done some back of an envelope calculation without having seen the contract clauses. But they are loosely based on a couple of 3rd hand things they’ve heard or past reporting on unconfirmed figures to do with an AB coach’s salary.
Plus the speculation on would be replacements, that’s easy stuff - make a couple of calls or send a couple of emails and when no response is given then it’s a “not warm” response.
This all leads to narrative building for the next story when there is actually some news.
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go:
Sheesh fellas I wouldn’t be reading anything into this reporting.
mate, you know thats not how we roll!
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@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go:
Sheesh fellas I wouldn’t be reading anything into this reporting.
mate, you know thats not how we roll!
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go:
Sheesh fellas I wouldn’t be reading anything into this reporting.
mate, you know thats not how we roll!
So much employment advice though. So much employment advice.
Maybe Razor knows that any losses will result in endless bad quips about his hair on the fern? -
@Frank said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
Fuck. Really like to know why.
Because he decides his own career not you?
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@Frank said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
Fuck. Really like to know why.
Because he decides his own career not you?
Thanks Captain Obvious.
I'd like to know the reasons why he didn't want it.
For example, perhaps he wants a longer contract and they are only willing to give him one until the World Cup.
Perhaps they are not willing to give him as much control as he likes etc. -
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@Frank said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
Fuck. Really like to know why.
Because he decides his own career not you?
Thanks Captain Obvious.
I'd like to know the reasons why he didn't want it.
For example, perhaps he wants a longer contract and they are only willing to give him one until the World Cup.
Perhaps they are not willing to give him as much control as he likes etc.@Frank said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@Frank said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
Fuck. Really like to know why.
Because he decides his own career not you?
Thanks Captain Obvious.
I'd like to know the reasons why he didn't want it.
For example, perhaps he wants a longer contract and they are only willing to give him one until the World Cup.
Perhaps they are not willing to give him as much control as he likes etc.Hopefully it's all bullshit unfounded conjecture. I can't bear to see aura destroyed this way
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go:
Sheesh fellas I wouldn’t be reading anything into this reporting.
mate, you know thats not how we roll!
So much employment advice though. So much employment advice.
Maybe Razor knows that any losses will result in endless bad quips about his hair on the fern?@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go:
Sheesh fellas I wouldn’t be reading anything into this reporting.
mate, you know thats not how we roll!
So much employment advice though. So much employment advice.
Maybe Razor knows that any losses will result in endless bad quips about his hair on the fern?Yeah what’s up with that ?
He’s one step away from looking like Big Ern McCracken
At least he’s not fat though.
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@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@Frank said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
Fuck. Really like to know why.
Because he decides his own career not you?
Thanks Captain Obvious.
I'd like to know the reasons why he didn't want it.
For example, perhaps he wants a longer contract and they are only willing to give him one until the World Cup.
Perhaps they are not willing to give him as much control as he likes etc.@Frank said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@Frank said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
Fuck. Really like to know why.
Because he decides his own career not you?
Thanks Captain Obvious.
I'd like to know the reasons why he didn't want it.
For example, perhaps he wants a longer contract and they are only willing to give him one until the World Cup.
Perhaps they are not willing to give him as much control as he likes etc.Or maybe he doesn’t like being set up to fail. Or maybe he doesn’t see enough time to make the changes required….
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@Bovidae said in Foster must go:
@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
What is he waiting for? Sure the circumstances aren't ideal. But surely he would back himself?
It appears not. They said that Robertson wants the full 4 years before a RWC.
Understandable in principle, but if it's the role you want you take it when you can get it.
If they give the role to Schmidt, I'd expect him to ask for more than 13 months. This could get very interesting.
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
@Bovidae said in Foster must go:
@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
What is he waiting for? Sure the circumstances aren't ideal. But surely he would back himself?
It appears not. They said that Robertson wants the full 4 years before a RWC.
Understandable in principle, but if it's the role you want you take it when you can get it.
In theory sure, but if the job you have dreamed of having doesn’t have the right terms etc, then sometimes it’s just not right.
Not saying that is the case here because it’s all just speculation, but that happens in pro sports and the working world more broadly.
I would say tenure would be a massive negotiation point for any prospective coach. And if we are talking Razor, he has pretty secure employment now, and he would know all too well that Mitch and Deans were turfed after a RWC when there wasn’t a full cycle of prep for them and every appointment or reappointment since has been about the cycle.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go:
Sheesh fellas I wouldn’t be reading anything into this reporting.
mate, you know thats not how we roll!
So much employment advice though. So much employment advice.
Maybe Razor knows that any losses will result in endless bad quips about his hair on the fern?@Crucial we cant all be employment contract experts like you.
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@Crucial we cant all be employment contract experts like you.
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Crucial we cant all be employment contract experts like you.
If Foster can, you can!
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@gt12 said in Foster must go:
@Bovidae said in Foster must go:
@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
What is he waiting for? Sure the circumstances aren't ideal. But surely he would back himself?
It appears not. They said that Robertson wants the full 4 years before a RWC.
Understandable in principle, but if it's the role you want you take it when you can get it.
In theory sure, but if the job you have dreamed of having doesn’t have the right terms etc, then sometimes it’s just not right.
Not saying that is the case here because it’s all just speculation, but that happens in pro sports and the working world more broadly.
I would say tenure would be a massive negotiation point for any prospective coach. And if we are talking Razor, he has pretty secure employment now, and he would know all too well that Mitch and Deans were turfed after a RWC when there wasn’t a full cycle of prep for them and every appointment or reappointment since has been about the cycle.
@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go:
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
@Bovidae said in Foster must go:
@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
What is he waiting for? Sure the circumstances aren't ideal. But surely he would back himself?
It appears not. They said that Robertson wants the full 4 years before a RWC.
Understandable in principle, but if it's the role you want you take it when you can get it.
In theory sure, but if the job you have dreamed of having doesn’t have the right terms etc, then sometimes it’s just not right.
Not saying that is the case here because it’s all just speculation, but that happens in pro sports and the working world more broadly.
I would say tenure would be a massive negotiation point for any prospective coach. And if we are talking Razor, he has pretty secure employment now, and he would know all too well that Mitch and Deans were turfed after a RWC when there wasn’t a full cycle of prep for them and every appointment or reappointment since has been about the cycle.
If NZRFU feel desperate, Razor should use that leverage to press for tenure until at least 2025
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@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go:
@gt12 said in Foster must go:
@Bovidae said in Foster must go:
@canefan said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
What is he waiting for? Sure the circumstances aren't ideal. But surely he would back himself?
It appears not. They said that Robertson wants the full 4 years before a RWC.
Understandable in principle, but if it's the role you want you take it when you can get it.
In theory sure, but if the job you have dreamed of having doesn’t have the right terms etc, then sometimes it’s just not right.
Not saying that is the case here because it’s all just speculation, but that happens in pro sports and the working world more broadly.
I would say tenure would be a massive negotiation point for any prospective coach. And if we are talking Razor, he has pretty secure employment now, and he would know all too well that Mitch and Deans were turfed after a RWC when there wasn’t a full cycle of prep for them and every appointment or reappointment since has been about the cycle.
If NZRFU feel desperate, Razor should use that leverage to press for tenure until at least 2025
I'm guessing Razor has already been offered a sweet overseas gig.
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I'm guessing Razor has already been offered a sweet overseas gig.
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go:
I'm guessing Razor has already been offered a sweet overseas gig.
I'm sure he's been offered them for years. But he always seemed like he was happy to bide his time with the Saders until he could get the ABs job
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@Crucial we cant all be employment contract experts like you.
@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:
@Crucial we cant all be employment contract experts like you.
I’m here to help
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@Frank said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@Frank said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
Fuck. Really like to know why.
Because he decides his own career not you?
Thanks Captain Obvious.
I'd like to know the reasons why he didn't want it.
For example, perhaps he wants a longer contract and they are only willing to give him one until the World Cup.
Perhaps they are not willing to give him as much control as he likes etc.Or maybe he doesn’t like being set up to fail. Or maybe he doesn’t see enough time to make the changes required….
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@Frank said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
@Frank said in Foster must go:
@Crucial said in Foster must go:
TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger
Fuck. Really like to know why.
Because he decides his own career not you?
Thanks Captain Obvious.
I'd like to know the reasons why he didn't want it.
For example, perhaps he wants a longer contract and they are only willing to give him one until the World Cup.
Perhaps they are not willing to give him as much control as he likes etc.Or maybe he doesn’t like being set up to fail. Or maybe he doesn’t see enough time to make the changes required….
There you go. Answering my original question without being condescending.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster must go:
I'm guessing Razor has already been offered a sweet overseas gig.
I'm sure he's been offered them for years. But he always seemed like he was happy to bide his time with the Saders until he could get the ABs job
@canefan said in Foster must go:
@nostrildamus said in Foster must go:
I'm guessing Razor has already been offered a sweet overseas gig.
I'm sure he's been offered them for years. But he always seemed like he was happy to bide his time with the Saders until he could get the ABs job
I'll rephrase: accepted, not just offered.
