Foster, Robertson etc

[Victor Meldrew]

@Duluth said in Foster must go:

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger

If that’s true, Schmidt should ask for a 3 year appointment

I'd go to RWC 2023 with a review at the end of '22. Gives him a chance to turn things around and NZR & him to tweak things as needed so we do as well as we can at the RWC.

[KiwiMurph]

@Bovidae said in Foster must go:

@gt12 said in Foster must go:

@Bovidae said in Foster must go:

@canefan said in Foster must go:

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger

What is he waiting for? Sure the circumstances aren't ideal. But surely he would back himself?

It appears not. They said that Robertson wants the full 4 years before a RWC.

Understandable in principle, but if it's the role you want you take it when you can get it.

Absolutely agree. NZR could offer a long-term contract until 2027, so RWC 2023 is a free run.

It could be that Razor is negotiating that right now - hence the 'reluctant'.

[taniwharugby]

@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go:

Sheesh fellas I wouldn’t be reading anything into this reporting.

mate, you know thats not how we roll!

[Crucial]

@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:

@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go:

Sheesh fellas I wouldn’t be reading anything into this reporting.

mate, you know thats not how we roll!

So much employment advice though. So much employment advice.
Maybe Razor knows that any losses will result in endless bad quips about his hair on the fern?

[Frank]

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

@Frank said in Foster must go:

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger

Fuck. Really like to know why.

Because he decides his own career not you?

Thanks Captain Obvious.

I'd like to know the reasons why he didn't want it.
For example, perhaps he wants a longer contract and they are only willing to give him one until the World Cup.
Perhaps they are not willing to give him as much control as he likes etc.

[canefan]

@Frank said in Foster must go:

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

@Frank said in Foster must go:

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger

Fuck. Really like to know why.

Because he decides his own career not you?

Thanks Captain Obvious.

I'd like to know the reasons why he didn't want it.
For example, perhaps he wants a longer contract and they are only willing to give him one until the World Cup.
Perhaps they are not willing to give him as much control as he likes etc.

Hopefully it's all bullshit unfounded conjecture. I can't bear to see aura destroyed this way

[MN5]

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:

@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go:

Sheesh fellas I wouldn’t be reading anything into this reporting.

mate, you know thats not how we roll!

So much employment advice though. So much employment advice.
Maybe Razor knows that any losses will result in endless bad quips about his hair on the fern?

Yeah what’s up with that ?

He’s one step away from looking like Big Ern McCracken

At least he’s not fat though.

[Crucial]

@Frank said in Foster must go:

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

@Frank said in Foster must go:

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger

Fuck. Really like to know why.

Because he decides his own career not you?

Thanks Captain Obvious.

I'd like to know the reasons why he didn't want it.
For example, perhaps he wants a longer contract and they are only willing to give him one until the World Cup.
Perhaps they are not willing to give him as much control as he likes etc.

Or maybe he doesn’t like being set up to fail. Or maybe he doesn’t see enough time to make the changes required….

[ACT Crusader]

@gt12 said in Foster must go:

@Bovidae said in Foster must go:

@canefan said in Foster must go:

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger

What is he waiting for? Sure the circumstances aren't ideal. But surely he would back himself?

It appears not. They said that Robertson wants the full 4 years before a RWC.

Understandable in principle, but if it's the role you want you take it when you can get it.

In theory sure, but if the job you have dreamed of having doesn’t have the right terms etc, then sometimes it’s just not right.

Not saying that is the case here because it’s all just speculation, but that happens in pro sports and the working world more broadly.

I would say tenure would be a massive negotiation point for any prospective coach. And if we are talking Razor, he has pretty secure employment now, and he would know all too well that Mitch and Deans were turfed after a RWC when there wasn’t a full cycle of prep for them and every appointment or reappointment since has been about the cycle.

[taniwharugby]

@Crucial we cant all be employment contract experts like you.

[Bones]

@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:

@Crucial we cant all be employment contract experts like you.

If Foster can, you can!

[canefan]

@ACT-Crusader said in Foster must go:

@gt12 said in Foster must go:

@Bovidae said in Foster must go:

@canefan said in Foster must go:

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger

What is he waiting for? Sure the circumstances aren't ideal. But surely he would back himself?

It appears not. They said that Robertson wants the full 4 years before a RWC.

Understandable in principle, but if it's the role you want you take it when you can get it.

In theory sure, but if the job you have dreamed of having doesn’t have the right terms etc, then sometimes it’s just not right.

Not saying that is the case here because it’s all just speculation, but that happens in pro sports and the working world more broadly.

I would say tenure would be a massive negotiation point for any prospective coach. And if we are talking Razor, he has pretty secure employment now, and he would know all too well that Mitch and Deans were turfed after a RWC when there wasn’t a full cycle of prep for them and every appointment or reappointment since has been about the cycle.

If NZRFU feel desperate, Razor should use that leverage to press for tenure until at least 2025

[nostrildamus]

I'm guessing Razor has already been offered a sweet overseas gig.

[canefan]

@nostrildamus said in Foster must go:

I'm guessing Razor has already been offered a sweet overseas gig.

I'm sure he's been offered them for years. But he always seemed like he was happy to bide his time with the Saders until he could get the ABs job

[Crucial]

@taniwharugby said in Foster must go:

@Crucial we cant all be employment contract experts like you.

I’m here to help

[Frank]

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

@Frank said in Foster must go:

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

@Frank said in Foster must go:

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger

Fuck. Really like to know why.

Because he decides his own career not you?

Thanks Captain Obvious.

I'd like to know the reasons why he didn't want it.
For example, perhaps he wants a longer contract and they are only willing to give him one until the World Cup.
Perhaps they are not willing to give him as much control as he likes etc.

Or maybe he doesn’t like being set up to fail. Or maybe he doesn’t see enough time to make the changes required….

There you go. Answering my original question without being condescending.
See, that wasn't so hard was it?

[nostrildamus]

@canefan said in Foster must go:

@nostrildamus said in Foster must go:

I'm guessing Razor has already been offered a sweet overseas gig.

I'm sure he's been offered them for years. But he always seemed like he was happy to bide his time with the Saders until he could get the ABs job

I'll rephrase: accepted, not just offered.

[Crucial]

@Frank said in Foster must go:

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

@Frank said in Foster must go:

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

@Frank said in Foster must go:

@Crucial said in Foster must go:

TV3 reckons Razor is reluctant. Schmidt is the man and the assistants are goneburger

Fuck. Really like to know why.

Because he decides his own career not you?

Thanks Captain Obvious.

I'd like to know the reasons why he didn't want it.
For example, perhaps he wants a longer contract and they are only willing to give him one until the World Cup.
Perhaps they are not willing to give him as much control as he likes etc.

Or maybe he doesn’t like being set up to fail. Or maybe he doesn’t see enough time to make the changes required….

There you go. Answering my original question without being condescending.
See, that wasn't so hard was it?

It was

[Machpants]

Just so we have facts not conjecture!

[nzzp]

@canefan said in Foster must go:

@nostrildamus said in Foster must go:

I'm guessing Razor has already been offered a sweet overseas gig.

I'm sure he's been offered them for years. But he always seemed like he was happy to bide his time with the Saders until he could get the ABs job

the optics if he declines AB coaching role, stays with the Crusaders and thrives while the All Blacks fail will be horrific. Opportunities are not always at the right time, or with the conditions you want. Sometimes you just have to grab it and make the best of it. He's got leverage, needs to use it, and should get in and make a visible difference.

I hate RWC cycles. FFS. The devaluing of tests is ongoing in the name of RWC glory that only one side can achieve.
Also, the gods hate the RWC draws for the ABs