Foster, Robertson etc
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Who were the realistic options to replace him?
Gatland, Robertson, and Schmidt.
I've heard that Robertson didn't want to take the job at this stage of the WC cycle. Schmidt has excluded himself from even assistant coach roles until now, and Gatland may very well not want the role either.
They may have had no alternative to Foster.
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Well done NZR-how long before Scott Robertson is off overseas? I'm guessing an announcement by October.
Deep sigh. The NZR should have a high performance coach exporting position because that seems to be their main achievement. Seems these days to be a head coach one should do as little coaching as possible.@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Well done NZR-how long before Scott Robertson is off overseas? I'm guessing an announcement by October.
Then fuck him. He knew years ago his next shot would be post '23.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:
Not good listening to Fozzie to be honest. His perspective doesn't inspire confidence. Examples, we shouldn't expect to win all games against teams ranked higher than the ABs,
That’s an amazing statement. The only reason they’re ranked higher than the ABs is that we don’t beat them! It’s a self fulfilling argument.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:
Not good listening to Fozzie to be honest. His perspective doesn't inspire confidence. Examples, we shouldn't expect to win all games against teams ranked higher than the ABs,
That’s an amazing statement. The only reason they’re ranked higher than the ABs is that we don’t beat them! It’s a self fulfilling argument.
That's the genius of it. "Of course we lost, they're now ranked higher".
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Who were the realistic options to replace him?
Gatland, Robertson, and Schmidt.
I've heard that Robertson didn't want to take the job at this stage of the WC cycle. Schmidt has excluded himself from even assistant coach roles until now, and Gatland may very well not want the role either.
They may have had no alternative to Foster.
Who were the realistic options to replace him?
Gatland, Robertson, and Schmidt.
I've heard that Robertson didn't want to take the job at this stage of the WC cycle. Schmidt has excluded himself from even assistant coach roles until now, and Gatland may very well not want the role either.
They may have had no alternative to Foster.
Good point !!!
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Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me.@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me.In hindsight, it does reveal how Steve Hansen must've been an extremely strong head coach in his own right to excel - even with some pretty mediocre assistants in Foster and McLeod as his only support staff between 2017-2019.
Foster now has Joe Schmidt, Jason Ryan, Andrew Strawbridge, Greg Feek, David Hill, plus Scott McLeod..
How many babysitters does one coach need?
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so what happens if we lose the Bledisloe and then a couple on the EOYT? The time to move was straight after the Irish series, but didnt, now, they need to give him what he needs.
Still unsure how Teflon McLeod has stayed through all this, more so while other coaches under Fozzie were dragged through this too, McLeod was barely mentioned.
NZR really seem clueless.
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
so what happens if we lose the Bledisloe and then a couple on the EOYT?
“It’s disappointing we didn’t play our best footy, and couldn’t replicate what we did at Ellis Park”
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me.I don't know. If England comes up with a much larger offer then Razor could very well be lost. Contracts are easily broken these days. The time to secure him was now and they stuffed it up. Looks like player power won out in the end.
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me.I don't know. If England comes up with a much larger offer then Razor could very well be lost. Contracts are easily broken these days. The time to secure him was now and they stuffed it up. Looks like player power won out in the end.
If Razor decides to go to England would be same as players going overseas, that is up to him. You don't give players a position in ABs to keep them in NZ or take on coaches (however much some of us want him) to keep him from going overseas.
Why has player power won, surely they have always been a huge part of any review,but not the only part? -
@Tim He never misses!
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Summary from Stuff:
NZ Rugby CEO Mark Robinson said he still hoped Scott Robertson had a long future in the game in New Zealand.
He aid Robertson was "valued'' but turned the conversation back towards the decision to retain Foster.
"We have a huge regard for Razor as a key part of the coaching landscape in this country and and we hope he has a great future in the game here.
"But today's not really about Razor. Today's about Ian and his team into this new era."
Foster said he has no plans to change the All Blacks management staff. Business as usual, in other words.
Robertson has already made it clear he wants to coach a country at the 2027 World Cup. He could have a crack at the All Blacks job after the World Cup next year, or look to head offshore.
Robinson admitted NZ Rugby could have done some things better in recent weeks, but said it was time to move on and look ahead. -
@taniwharugby said in Foster:
so what happens if we lose the Bledisloe and then a couple on the EOYT?
We’ll take the learnings of course.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Well done NZR-how long before Scott Robertson is off overseas? I'm guessing an announcement by October.
Then fuck him. He knew years ago his next shot would be post '23.
@antipodean said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Well done NZR-how long before Scott Robertson is off overseas? I'm guessing an announcement by October.
Then fuck him. He knew years ago his next shot would be post '23.
I bet you wouldn't say that to his face you coward hiding behind a keyboard.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me.I don't know. If England comes up with a much larger offer then Razor could very well be lost. Contracts are easily broken these days. The time to secure him was now and they stuffed it up. Looks like player power won out in the end.
If Razor decides to go to England would be same as players going overseas, that is up to him. You don't give players a position in ABs to keep them in NZ or take on coaches (however much some of us want him) to keep him from going overseas.
Why has player power won, surely they have always been a huge part of any review,but not the only part?@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me.I don't know. If England comes up with a much larger offer then Razor could very well be lost. Contracts are easily broken these days. The time to secure him was now and they stuffed it up. Looks like player power won out in the end.
If Razor decides to go to England would be same as players going overseas, that is up to him. You don't give players a position in ABs to keep them in NZ or take on coaches (however much some of us want him) to keep him from going overseas.
Why has player power won, surely they have always been a huge part of any review,but not the only part?The players weren't talked to before this review, sorry conversation. So so the posts on player power are a bit out of whack
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Who were the realistic options to replace him?
Gatland, Robertson, and Schmidt.
I've heard that Robertson didn't want to take the job at this stage of the WC cycle. Schmidt has excluded himself from even assistant coach roles until now, and Gatland may very well not want the role either.
They may have had no alternative to Foster.
Who were the realistic options to replace him?
A point I made earlier. Everyone seems to be assuming Robertson was overlooked at this time, but what if he was asked to replace Foster and declined? Hard to know without the facts.
As @Stargazer says, Robinson should be proactive and have the succession plan in place now.
Back to our scheduled vitriol towards NZR.
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@antipodean said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Well done NZR-how long before Scott Robertson is off overseas? I'm guessing an announcement by October.
Then fuck him. He knew years ago his next shot would be post '23.
I bet you wouldn't say that to his face you coward hiding behind a keyboard.
@Asterik6 easy bro.
... and he totally would say it to his face
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@antipodean said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Well done NZR-how long before Scott Robertson is off overseas? I'm guessing an announcement by October.
Then fuck him. He knew years ago his next shot would be post '23.
I bet you wouldn't say that to his face you coward hiding behind a keyboard.
@antipodean said in Foster:
@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Well done NZR-how long before Scott Robertson is off overseas? I'm guessing an announcement by October.
Then fuck him. He knew years ago his next shot would be post '23.
I bet you wouldn't say that to his face you coward hiding behind a keyboard.
Hi Razors mum
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@JC and he said 'if' there were any. Ffs. They've made the bed now though.
@Paekakboyz I think they made their bed a while ago and everything I’ve heard it’s been about buying time, riding it out and not really engaging with alternatives in any meaningful way.
It was really going to come down to whether Foster wanted to “spend more time with his family” or stay on.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me.In hindsight, it does reveal how Steve Hansen must've been an extremely strong head coach in his own right to excel - even with some pretty mediocre assistants in Foster and McLeod as his only support staff between 2017-2019.
Foster now has Joe Schmidt, Jason Ryan, Andrew Strawbridge, Greg Feek, David Hill, plus Scott McLeod..
How many babysitters does one coach need?
In hindsight, it does reveal how Steve Hansen must've been an extremely strong head coach in his own right to excel - even with some pretty mediocre assistants in Foster and McLeod as his only support staff between 2017-2019.
Hansen also had Mike Cron as scrum coach and Fox as a selector.
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I just hope there is good communication with razor in regards to a succession plan to 23 , as long as that is happening, I’m happy with the changes that have been made with the assistants .
Let’s get behind the team .
If Razor walks I’ll be pissed though .
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Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Doesn't seem a merit-based decision to me.@nostrildamus said in Foster:
Ok you are all probably right I am just still upset our worst coach in recent memory gets the best coaches to help him fall over the line.
Unfortunately.
There's plenty of coaching nous in the mix now between Ryan, Feek, Cron, Strawbridge and now Schmidt..
Fozzie will be the media fluffer and the boys' shoulder to cry on while the assistants create the master plans.
