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  • Chris B.C Chris B.

    @FakatavaAllBlack Not for me.

    He may end up there, because he's not overly fast for a wing, but centre is a tricky position and I reckon Big Leicester would get cut to pieces at the moment.

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    @Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

    @FakatavaAllBlack Not for me.

    He may end up there, because he's not overly fast for a wing, but centre is a tricky position and I reckon Big Leicester would get cut to pieces at the moment.

    so you are saying he may be a centre in a few years? As he is a big guy and I don't see him getting faster on the wing.

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      @FakatavaAllBlack

      We have some real talent coming through at prop. All fairly young though and ideally would be given a bit more time to learn and grow.

      Ideally we would send one or two to Europe for a season to accelerate their readiness but we would lose control of them if we that was possible.

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      @DaGrubster said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

      Ideally we would send one or two to Europe for a season to accelerate their readiness but we would lose control of them if we that was possible.

      We should have bought a club over there a while ago to blood players in the offseason. I can't see it happening for many reasons, not least of which NZR seem convinced that Super NZ is the pinnacle and all other competitions suck. Our insularity hurts us; playing SA AUS and others helps deal with different game plans, and how to travel and win. I think we'll miss them in the medium term (and it's hurting us already)

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      • Chris B.C Chris B.

        @KiwiMurph I reckon we might see Jack Goodhue in the midfield - and perhaps Rieko back to the wing.

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        @Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

        @KiwiMurph I reckon we might see Jack Goodhue in the midfield - and perhaps Rieko back to the wing.

        One of the commentators on SENZ (could have been TJ) was saying that Goodhue's other knee is starting to give him problems now and he wasn't fit for the 3rd test.

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          @Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

          @KiwiMurph I reckon we might see Jack Goodhue in the midfield - and perhaps Rieko back to the wing.

          One of the commentators on SENZ (could have been TJ) was saying that Goodhue's other knee is starting to give him problems now and he wasn't fit for the 3rd test.

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          @akan004 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

          @Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

          @KiwiMurph I reckon we might see Jack Goodhue in the midfield - and perhaps Rieko back to the wing.

          One of the commentators on SENZ (could have been TJ) was saying that Goodhue's other knee is starting to give him problems now and he wasn't fit for the 3rd test.

          Oh crap. Dodgy knees are buggery to fix. Maybe he'd consider loaning his sharp rugby brain?

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            @Chris-B said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

            @KiwiMurph I reckon we might see Jack Goodhue in the midfield - and perhaps Rieko back to the wing.

            One of the commentators on SENZ (could have been TJ) was saying that Goodhue's other knee is starting to give him problems now and he wasn't fit for the 3rd test.

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            @akan004 said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

            One of the commentators on SENZ (could have been TJ) was saying that Goodhue's other knee is starting to give him problems now and he wasn't fit for the 3rd test.

            The AB's haven't been good at keeping us updated about injuries. The media has been shocking at asking questions

            Maybe Sotutu has had a niggle too? Keeping fans informed actually releases the pressure around selection calls

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            • TheMojomanT TheMojoman

              @FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

              @Bovidae wish we had more hooker depth.. if say Codie taylor was to be dropped from the squad who then joins? Aumua?

              We need the experience with Taylor. I’d say have ST as your starting hooker with Taylor playing the role Mealamu played backend of his career. Put Coles out to pasture and have Aumua as the 3rd hooker.

              In terms of lock, there are a few good locks almost ready for test duties - Lord (when recovered), Dickson, Parkinson (when recovered) and potentially MSR? I like the looks of young Fabian Holland, he’s big and still looks like he could put on another 10KG without sacrificing mobility. Could develop into a Retallick type.

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              @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

              We need the experience with Taylor.

              I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

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              • BonesB Bones

                @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                We need the experience with Taylor.

                I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

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                @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                We need the experience with Taylor.

                I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

                Yeah the reason you have experience is that they react well in tense games, cos they've seen it before an can deal with it. Obviously Taylor can't deal with it, so there is no reason at all to start him

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                  Liam Napier is claiming that De Groot has lost 7 kg.

                  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/rugby-direct-podcast-a-deep-dive-into-how-ireland-dismantled-the-all-blacks/GMYQFZA3MZDUWYUB23QST5JXTI/

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                    @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                    @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                    We need the experience with Taylor.

                    I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

                    Yeah the reason you have experience is that they react well in tense games, cos they've seen it before an can deal with it. Obviously Taylor can't deal with it, so there is no reason at all to start him

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                    @Machpants said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                    @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                    @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                    We need the experience with Taylor.

                    I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

                    Yeah the reason you have experience is that they react well in tense games, cos they've seen it before an can deal with it. Obviously Taylor can't deal with it, so there is no reason at all to start him

                    To me, this hark to experience is killing us. Taylor and Beauds shit the bed, Smith stagnates, Retallick plays like a guy learning the ropes, KT comes on and spends more time on the ground than on his feet, Laulala plays touch, Cane plods around. The mix is completely off.

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                    • BonesB Bones

                      @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                      We need the experience with Taylor.

                      I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

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                      @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                      @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                      We need the experience with Taylor.

                      I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

                      yeah, some in NZ rugby have a real hard on for the idea of experience...regardless of if that experience is of losing

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                      • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                        @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                        @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                        We need the experience with Taylor.

                        I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

                        yeah, some in NZ rugby have a real hard on for the idea of experience...regardless of if that experience is of losing

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                        @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                        @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                        @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                        We need the experience with Taylor.

                        I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

                        yeah, some in NZ rugby have a real hard on for the idea of experience...regardless of if that experience is of losing

                        Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

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                        • BonesB Bones

                          @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                          @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                          @TheMojoman said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                          We need the experience with Taylor.

                          I keep seeing stuff like this, but I really can't fathom the reasoning behind it. Why? What is his experience actually doing for us? Because he looks like an overawed newbie out there.

                          yeah, some in NZ rugby have a real hard on for the idea of experience...regardless of if that experience is of losing

                          Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

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                          @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                          Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                          And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

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                          • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                            @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                            Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                            And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

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                            @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                            @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                            Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                            And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

                            Went alright for the Maori didn't he? 2 games for the landers, but I don't recall seeing it being an issue at other times. It was pretty galling to do the exact same thing on his return from a ban though.

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                            • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                              @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                              Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                              And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

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                              @Crazy-Horse Cos the alternative is Back to the Future PT

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                              • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                                @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                                And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

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                                @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                                And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

                                i kind of agree...partially, he has a bit of trouble getting low for a tackle in the past couple of seasons...BUT...he might be worth a shot to see if its something they can teach out of him...so wouldn't throw him into a RWC squad...but maybe for the RC

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                                • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                                  @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                  @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                  Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                                  And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

                                  i kind of agree...partially, he has a bit of trouble getting low for a tackle in the past couple of seasons...BUT...he might be worth a shot to see if its something they can teach out of him...so wouldn't throw him into a RWC squad...but maybe for the RC

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                                  @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                  @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                  @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                  Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                                  And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

                                  i kind of agree...partially, he has a bit of trouble getting low for a tackle in the past couple of seasons...BUT...he might be worth a shot to see if its something they can teach out of him...so wouldn't throw him into a RWC squad...but maybe for the RC

                                  Yeah I think he may be worth a shot, but we shouldn't be surprised if he gets carded.

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                                    Looking at locks, I'd probably plump for MSR to replace Retallick - really similar game style for me and he's worth a look.

                                    Dickson reminds me of that other highlanders lock from about a decade ago, for the life of me can't remember his name - but he came in and did a brilliant job for a season or 2. Hits hard on both sides of the ball - give him a shot.

                                    Gallagher very similar to Dickson but with a longer future, let them fight it out.

                                    Goodhue definitely worth a look over Tuipulotu if he's sticking around.

                                    I'm just not hugely convinced by Vaai at lock, he just seems so lightweight.

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                                    • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                                      @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                      @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                      @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                      Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                                      And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

                                      i kind of agree...partially, he has a bit of trouble getting low for a tackle in the past couple of seasons...BUT...he might be worth a shot to see if its something they can teach out of him...so wouldn't throw him into a RWC squad...but maybe for the RC

                                      Yeah I think he may be worth a shot, but we shouldn't be surprised if he gets carded.

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                                      @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                      @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                      @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                      @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                      Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                                      And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

                                      i kind of agree...partially, he has a bit of trouble getting low for a tackle in the past couple of seasons...BUT...he might be worth a shot to see if its something they can teach out of him...so wouldn't throw him into a RWC squad...but maybe for the RC

                                      Yeah I think he may be worth a shot, but we shouldn't be surprised if he gets carded.

                                      Hopefully Red, Whitelock, Retallick, Laulaua, Taylor, Tuungafasi, Lomax will all be there to show him how not to.

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                                        @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                        @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                        @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                        Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                                        And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

                                        i kind of agree...partially, he has a bit of trouble getting low for a tackle in the past couple of seasons...BUT...he might be worth a shot to see if its something they can teach out of him...so wouldn't throw him into a RWC squad...but maybe for the RC

                                        Yeah I think he may be worth a shot, but we shouldn't be surprised if he gets carded.

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                                        @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                        @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                        @Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                        @Bones said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:

                                        Even Whitelock, for all the good he does has cost us dearly with a couple of brain explosions.

                                        And a few on here are calling for Dickson to join the ABs. A guy who struggled to get through a game without a brain explosion and time in the naughty chair.

                                        i kind of agree...partially, he has a bit of trouble getting low for a tackle in the past couple of seasons...BUT...he might be worth a shot to see if its something they can teach out of him...so wouldn't throw him into a RWC squad...but maybe for the RC

                                        Yeah I think he may be worth a shot, but we shouldn't be surprised if he gets carded.

                                        im also concerned a lot of these guys have a yips now...previously they could fall back on pure confidence to try something and often succeeded....not now, i think we're very close to rolling the dice on several bolters...young...hungry...want to prove themselves....dont think they can do worse than a lot of these guys who have comfortably had a spot in the squad based on reputation and now are second guessing themselves every time the get passed the ball

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                                          I think some people are a bit too keen to get rid of players in the squad.

                                          A lot of the current problems may be "between the players' ears" and I'd like to see first whether a new coach can solve that by improving the culture, communication and game plan.

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